3 cheers for theuspits!

Check their news page - they're bringing us an N4 track (unless I'm very mistaken) apparently within the next few days. Anyone able to make out what track it is from the photo? I don't think it's from GPL... could it be brands? or could it be completely new. I can barely remember what all of the bullrun fantasy N2 track looked like but I bet that would be a blast in N4. I keep having this vision of 43 stock cars taking a rolling start down into eau rouge... one day maybe soon..? :-D

Looks like St. Jovite, a GPL track also built by the US Pits Lagwagon wrote:

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> Check their news page - they're bringing us an N4 track (unless I'm very > mistaken) apparently within the next few days. > > Anyone able to make out what track it is from the photo? I don't think it's > from GPL... could it be brands? or could it be completely new. I can barely > remember what all of the bullrun fantasy N2 track looked like but I bet that > would be a blast in N4. > > I keep having this vision of 43 stock cars taking a rolling start down into > eau rouge... one day maybe soon..? :-D > > >

Fwiu, the Bullrun track will NOT make it to N4. We recently ran our Last Bullrun 1000 race,,,raised money for the World Trade Towers releif fund...we had about a dozen drivers online over two days racing about 3.5 hours each for the 181 laps that made up the Bullrun. The Bullrun has been a great event, but now that at least for the near future The TPTCC league is switching over to the Nascar Heat mod of DTM racers, the Bullrun may be dead. We raced the last two years on the Flat Bull (Bullrun 2000) track that had the two big 'dega' turns reduced to turns with near Pocono banking. Your best bet for tracks being converted will be those made my Mr. Noonan. So tracks Like Brands, the Oring and probably most of the originals will make it to N4. I have already seen videos of Monoco and Zanvoort so they are making progress. I would think the vast majority of homemade tracks won't be attempted by Noonan and the Pits. dave (just guessing) henrie "Lagwagon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9tltp6$p7k$[email hidden]... > Check their news page - they're bringing us an N4 track (unless I'm very > mistaken) apparently within the next few days. > > Anyone able to make out what track it is from the photo? I don't thinkit's > from GPL... could it be brands? or could it be completely new. I canbarely > remember what all of the bullrun fantasy N2 track looked like but I betthat > would be a blast in N4. > > I keep having this vision of 43 stock cars taking a rolling start downinto > eau rouge... one day maybe soon..? :-D > >

> Your best bet for tracks being converted will be those made my Mr.Noonan. > So tracks Like Brands, the Oring and probably most of the originals will > make it to N4. I have already seen videos of Monoco and Zanvoort so they > are making progress. I would think the vast majority of homemade tracks > won't be attempted by Noonan and the Pits. Are we to presume Noonan will again breach all 3rd party sim community standards and charge for his convertor? Whilst it may take him a very long time to make - it also takes other people a very long time to make their own 3rd party add ons - yet they do not charge a penny. Further more - It would not supprise me if other 3rd party tracks from GPL will not make it to N4 as Noonan saw it fit to convert some GPLEA tracks to N3 in the past without their prior consent Thanks for the effort - but he can keep the methodology Doug

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> > Are we to presume Noonan will again breach all 3rd party sim community > standards and charge for his convertor? Whilst it may take him a very long > time to make - it also takes other people a very long time to make their own > 3rd party add ons - yet they do not charge a penny. > > Further more - It would not supprise me if other 3rd party tracks from GPL > will not make it to N4 as Noonan saw it fit to convert some GPLEA tracks to > N3 in the past without their prior consent > > Thanks for the effort - but he can keep the methodology > > Doug

"There is no sweeter sound than the crumbling of your fellow man." --Groucho Marx-- Guess you have it in for David for some reason Doug, too bad, he's a nice bloke, but I can't see him losing sleep over it, what's worse is the fact you make yourself look incredibly stupid talking about things you don't know anything about Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke" --Groucho Marx--

> Are we to presume Noonan will again breach all 3rd party sim community > standards and charge for his convertor? Whilst it may take him a very long > time to make - it also takes other people a very long time to make their own > 3rd party add ons - yet they do not charge a penny. Hmmm...breaching the 3rd party sim community standards. I see, you are now the Governor over all Sim Community Standards! I wish someone had told me, I had no idea that we now had some as an overseer for these elusive standards. Perhaps we should have consulted you first before releasing this track, to insure that all bylaws were being met. FYI...David Noonan has been involved in tons of 3rd party additions that you got free of charge, I would bet that almost all Papyrus newly-built tracks (GPL, N3) have had 3doEdit used on them in some form or fashion...yet you rarely see his name in the credits for this. Oh, WAIT! 3doEdit was release free of charge! We're going to have to stop letting these things slip through the cracks. This track that is being release was an effort solely with Gilles Benoit and David Noonan, and you'll be able to download it, FREE OF CHARGE! However, maybe we should rethink this and charge people for it. Or at least you... > Further more - It would not supprise me if other 3rd party tracks from GPL > will not make it to N4 as Noonan saw it fit to convert some GPLEA tracks to > N3 in the past without their prior consent Since you didn't read any of our responses for this, I think you should abdicate the Governorship of Sim Community Standards. The converter must have an installed track, downloaded from the site *that made it*, for the converter to work. None of the files from those 3rd party editors pieces are in the converter, it modifies files from the installed track to work. The only reason it would not converter ANY track as opposed to SOME tracks is because David felt that people would attempt to convert any GPL track to N3, and most GPL tracks will not work in N3 without some modification...which would lead to problems except for people who can modify tracks. Therefore, only tracks that David had provided some "hand massaging" to could be converted. Why I'm explaining this I have no idea, as you obviously didn't get it the first time But wait...this was released FREE OF CHARGE! Doh! I guess David slipped again. > Thanks for the effort - but he can keep the methodology No problem. And we'll also keep the track to ourselves, shall we? Next time you want to come to bitch, carry some ammunition. I've got plenty. Jan Kohl The Pits- 6 years and counting http://www.theuspits.com

Happy Birthday? <VBG> *runs like hell* -- Scott B. Husted ICQ# 4395450 http://www.Husted.cc http://www.theuspits.com "Jan Kohl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8gVL7.47713$[email hidden]... > Are we to presume Noonan will again breach all 3rd party sim community > standards and charge for his convertor? Whilst it may take him a very long > time to make - it also takes other people a very long time to make their own > 3rd party add ons - yet they do not charge a penny. Hmmm...breaching the 3rd party sim community standards. I see, you are now the Governor over all Sim Community Standards! I wish someone had told me, I had no idea that we now had some as an overseer for these elusive standards. Perhaps we should have consulted you first before releasing this track, to insure that all bylaws were being met. FYI...David Noonan has been involved in tons of 3rd party additions that you got free of charge, I would bet that almost all Papyrus newly-built tracks (GPL, N3) have had 3doEdit used on them in some form or fashion...yet you rarely see his name in the credits for this. Oh, WAIT! 3doEdit was release free of charge! We're going to have to stop letting these things slip through the cracks. This track that is being release was an effort solely with Gilles Benoit and David Noonan, and you'll be able to download it, FREE OF CHARGE! However, maybe we should rethink this and charge people for it. Or at least you... > Further more - It would not supprise me if other 3rd party tracks from GPL > will not make it to N4 as Noonan saw it fit to convert some GPLEA tracks to > N3 in the past without their prior consent Since you didn't read any of our responses for this, I think you should abdicate the Governorship of Sim Community Standards. The converter must have an installed track, downloaded from the site *that made it*, for the converter to work. None of the files from those 3rd party editors pieces are in the converter, it modifies files from the installed track to work. The only reason it would not converter ANY track as opposed to SOME tracks is because David felt that people would attempt to convert any GPL track to N3, and most GPL tracks will not work in N3 without some modification...which would lead to problems except for people who can modify tracks. Therefore, only tracks that David had provided some "hand massaging" to could be converted. Why I'm explaining this I have no idea, as you obviously didn't get it the first time But wait...this was released FREE OF CHARGE! Doh! I guess David slipped again. > Thanks for the effort - but he can keep the methodology No problem. And we'll also keep the track to ourselves, shall we? Next time you want to come to bitch, carry some ammunition. I've got plenty. Jan Kohl The Pits- 6 years and counting http://www.theuspits.com

> No problem. And we'll also keep the track to ourselves, shall we? > Next time you want to come to bitch, carry some ammunition. I've got plenty. To the rest of everyone here on RAS, I apologize for opening a can on Doug... ...some people want to find a reason to bitch about a gift horse, so I'm giving him a good reason... ;] Cheers! Jan Kohl The Pits- 6 years and counting http://www.theuspits.com

>"Jan Kohl" <[email hidden]> wrote >This track that is being release was an effort solely with Gilles Benoitand David >Noonan, and you'll be able to download it, FREE OF CHARGE! Oh so it's Mont-Tremblant, yay ;-) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Don't worry... I will personally make sure that Dave and/or the Pits releases will be ymenard/Socialist proof and you will have to pay for it!! =P -- Scott B. Husted ICQ# 4395450 http://www.Husted.cc "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0nWL7.66034$[email hidden]... > >"Jan Kohl" <[email hidden]> wrote > >This track that is being release was an effort solely with Gilles Benoit > and David > >Noonan, and you'll be able to download it, FREE OF CHARGE! > > > Oh so it's Mont-Tremblant, yay ;-) > > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

What are you apologizing for? You were perfectly right Achim "Jan Kohl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fvVL7.47934$[email hidden]... > No problem. And we'll also keep the track to ourselves, shall we? > Next time you want to come to bitch, carry some ammunition. I've gotplenty. To the rest of everyone here on RAS, I apologize for opening a can on Doug... ...some people want to find a reason to bitch about a gift horse, so I'm giving him a good reason... ;] Cheers! Jan Kohl The Pits- 6 years and counting http://www.theuspits.com

>"Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote > Don't worry... I will personally make sure that Dave and/or the Pits > releases will be ymenard/Socialist proof and you will have to pay for it!! > =P Hehehe, I think I can carefully balance what I need with what I have to pay for. If I feel it's not necessary, I won't pay for it because I don't need it. I'm no pseudo-capitalist hypocrite that downloads illegal MP3's, etc... ;-P <yet another list below> THE "TWO-COW EXPLANATION" OF WHAT MAKES.... ....A CHRISTIAN: You have two cows. You keep one and give one to your neighbor. ....A SOCIALIST; You have two cows. The government takes one and gives it to your neighbor. ....A REPUBLICAN: You have two cows. Your neighbor has none. So what? ....A DEMOCRAT: You have two cows. Your neighbor has none. You feel guilty for being successful. You vote people into office who tax your cows, forcing you to sell one to raise money to pay the tax. The people you voted for then take the tax money and buy a cow and give it to your neighbor. You feel righteous. ....A COMMUNIST: You have two cows. The government seizes both and provides you with milk. ....A FASCIST: You have two cows. The government seizes both and sells you the milk. You join the underground and start a campaign of sabotage. ....DEMOCRACY, AMERICAN STYLE: You have two cows. The government taxes you to the point you have to sell both to support a man in a foreign country who has only one cow, which was a gift from your government. ....CAPITALISM, AMERICAN STYLE: You have two cows. You sell one, buy a bull, and build a herd of cows. ....BUREAUCRACY, AMERICAN STYLE: You have two cows. The government takes them both, shoots one, milks the other, pays you for the milk, then pours the milk down the drain. ....AN AMERICAN CORPORATION: You have two cows. You sell one, and force the other to produce the milk of four cows. You are surprised when the cow drops dead. ....A FRENCH CORPORATION: You have two cows. You go on strike because you want three cows. ....A JAPANESE CORPORATION: You have two cows. You redesign them so they are one-tenth the size of an ordinary cow and produce twenty times the milk. ....A GERMAN CORPORATION: You have two cows. You reengineer them so they live for 100 years, eat once a month, and milk themselves. ....AN ITALIAN CORPORATION: You have two cows but you don't know where they are. You break for lunch. ....A RUSSIAN CORPORATION: You have two cows. You count them and learn you have five cows. You count them again and learn you have 42 cows. You count them again and learn you have 12 cows. You stop counting cows and open another bottle of vodka. ....A MEXICAN CORPORATION: You think you have two cows, but you don't know what a cow looks like. You take a nap. ....A SWISS CORPORATION: You have 5000 cows, none of which belongs to you. You charge for storing them for others. ....A BRAZILIAN CORPORATION: You have two cows. You enter into a partnership with an American corporation. Soon you have 1000 cows and the American corporation declares bankruptcy. ....AN INDIAN CORPORATION: You have two cows. You worship them. ....A TALIBAN You have two cows. You turn them loose in the Afghan "countryside" and they both die. You blame the godless American infidels. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

> THE "TWO-COW EXPLANATION" OF WHAT MAKES.... Now THAT was funny! ;] Cheers! Jan Kohl The Pits - 6 years and counting http://www.theuspits.com

Doug, I hate to state the obvious, but why dont you write your own converter? That's what I did, and thanks to people like Dave and Nigel Pattinson sharring what they have shared, so can you. Just a thought, Fred Anderson "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<9tp14h$3u7go$[email hidden]>...

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> > Your best bet for tracks being converted will be those made my Mr. > Noonan. > > So tracks Like Brands, the Oring and probably most of the originals will > > make it to N4. I have already seen videos of Monoco and Zanvoort so they > > are making progress. I would think the vast majority of homemade tracks > > won't be attempted by Noonan and the Pits. > > Are we to presume Noonan will again breach all 3rd party sim community > standards and charge for his convertor? Whilst it may take him a very long > time to make - it also takes other people a very long time to make their own > 3rd party add ons - yet they do not charge a penny. > > Further more - It would not supprise me if other 3rd party tracks from GPL > will not make it to N4 as Noonan saw it fit to convert some GPLEA tracks to > N3 in the past without their prior consent > > Thanks for the effort - but he can keep the methodology > > > Doug

"Goy Larsen" what's worse is > the fact you make yourself look incredibly stupid talking about things > you don't know anything about I've been doing that for years and I think you will all agree I don't look any stoopider than I did before... dave henrie

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> > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > http://www.theuspits.com > http://www.teammirage.com > > "A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke" > --Groucho Marx--

"Dave Henrie" wrote... > > <snip> > I've been doing that for years and I think you will all agree > I don't look any stoopider than I did before... ^^^^^^^^^ Intentional? ;-) Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.

moi? :) "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Dave Henrie" wrote... > > > <snip> > > I've been doing that for years and I think you will all agree > > I don't look any stoopider than I did before... > ^^^^^^^^^ > > Intentional? ;-) > > Jan. > =--- > "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. > > >

In article <9tp14h$3u7go$[email hidden]>, "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> writes: >Further more - It would not supprise me if other 3rd party tracks from GPL >will not make it to N4 as Noonan saw it fit to convert some GPLEA tracks to >N3 in the past without their prior consent Do you know for a fact that GPLEA was upset by the conversions? I don't understand your argument here... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > In article <9tp14h$3u7go$[email hidden]>, "Douglas Ellison" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Further more - It would not supprise me if other 3rd party tracks from GPL > >will not make it to N4 as Noonan saw it fit to convert some GPLEA tracks to > >N3 in the past without their prior consent > > Do you know for a fact that GPLEA was upset by the conversions? I don't > understand your argument here...

No, he doesn't know for a fact that GPLEA was upset, because they weren't, simple as that, Martijn was upset, with or without good reason, and then a few people decided to chime in on the thing, but some of the other guys from GPLEA even went on the Legends Central message board asking people to drop it Thing is, GPLEA and "The Pits" sorted this matter between us a long time ago, most grown ups have that ability... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke" --Groucho Marx--

Douglas Ellison wrote: > Guess he didn't have anything useful to add to the conversation after all, there's a certain word that springs to mind..... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com