XP Question.

Hi Experts: I make my living on my PC, running Solaris. I have WIN 98 SE on the first partition for racing and flight sims. I've been thinking about going with XP, in order to move into some Windows development. I see people are using XP Home for sims. Is XP Pro suitable for sims? I have two 600 MHz P3s in my 2 year old box, are there any sims that can take advantage of dual processors? Is there any multi-processing of system level services that single threaded sims can take advantage of with no programming? I have a V5/5500 video card. I see people are using Win 2000 drivers for XP. What version of DX is supported by this setup? The one thing I can't do is loose Need for Speed Porsche. My friends would kill me. I'm planning on starting on-line NFS-PU, so I'd like to be compatible. Thanks Larry

Once upon a time Larry Lindstrom <[email hidden]> scribed carefully:

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>:Hi Experts: >: >: I make my living on my PC, running Solaris. >: >: I have WIN 98 SE on the first partition for racing and >:flight sims. >: >: I've been thinking about going with XP, in order to >:move into some Windows development. >: >: I see people are using XP Home for sims. >: >: Is XP Pro suitable for sims? >: >: I have two 600 MHz P3s in my 2 year old box, are there >:any sims that can take advantage of dual processors? >:

I am not sure about the above questions, but you would have to get WinXP Pro to take advantage of your dual cpu setup, home is single cpu only.

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>: Is there any multi-processing of system level services >:that single threaded sims can take advantage of with no >:programming? >: >: I have a V5/5500 video card. I see people are using >:Win 2000 drivers for XP. What version of DX is supported >:by this setup? >: >: The one thing I can't do is loose Need for Speed Porsche. >:My friends would kill me. I'm planning on starting on-line >:NFS-PU, so I'd like to be compatible.

I am running NFS:PU happily on my system under XP pro, and I love it! Great game flawed only by a slightly limited choice of tracks and cars (I want more racing Porsches!) Tsunami

On 27/11/2001 22:08, in article [email hidden], "Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Is XP Pro suitable for sims? I play GPL and SBK2001 on WP Pro with no problems, apart from the bloody SBLive noise issues. Oh, and thanks to Spadge Fromley for a solution to the SB Live problem: Turn down Accelerated Sound to DirectX Only and it goes away. :-) -- Jared Earle - Nightfall Games - http://nightfall.co.uk "There is no SPORK"

Larry Lindstrom wrote:

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> > > I have WIN 98 SE on the first partition for racing and > flight sims. > > I've been thinking about going with XP, in order to > move into some Windows development. > > I see people are using XP Home for sims. > > Is XP Pro suitable for sims? >

XP Pro and Home are the same as far as application compatibility, Home removes some of the more advanced network and security features that MS figures home users won't need, and it also removes Multiprocessor capability. I don't know of any sims that take advantage natively of multiple processors, but using XP Pro you could set the OS to run on one processor and the sim/etc. to run on your other one. As for NFS Porche, I'm not sure if it will work or not, there is a "compatibility" mode setting for XP where you can run in Win95/98/ME/NT/2000 compatibility mode, though it doesn't always work. I do have a couple of the NFS games but haven't tried them on XP yet..........I'm still running a beta of XP Pro too so they may have fixed or broken things in the final release but from what I remember from the MS groups a few months back the NFS games were "supposed" to work. Charles -- Head Papershuffler Paper Airplane Division (currently assigned to the Rubber Band Flight Dynamics project)

"Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hi Experts: > > I make my living on my PC, running Solaris. > > I have WIN 98 SE on the first partition for racing and > flight sims. > > I've been thinking about going with XP, in order to > move into some Windows development. > > I see people are using XP Home for sims. > > Is XP Pro suitable for sims?

I'd say so, I've been playing GPL on my 928MHz Celeron box (gotta love overclocking ;) with WinXP Pro and absolutely no problems with all of the current patches (except the CPU one, which I didn't bother applying since I'm still well under that limit, heh). In fact, since I got 'back in' to GPL, I just now set a new PB at Monza, even over where I was a little over a year ago when I stopped for some reason (school, prolly =)

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> > I have two 600 MHz P3s in my 2 year old box, are there > any sims that can take advantage of dual processors? > > Is there any multi-processing of system level services > that single threaded sims can take advantage of with no > programming?

I think someone already mentioned it, but you should be able to assign programs to specific processors. Can't say I've tried it myself, as my box is still single-CPU... > I have a V5/5500 video card. I see people are using > Win 2000 drivers for XP. What version of DX is supported > by this setup? > XP ships with DX8.1; and I have heard some issues with 3dFX boards and XP, but not sure exactly what/how severe they are. Milhouse

Thanks Tsunami: Which video card are you using? Larry

Thanks Jared:

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> > On 27/11/2001 22:08, in article [email hidden], "Larry > Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > Is XP Pro suitable for sims? > > I play GPL and SBK2001 on WP Pro with no problems, apart from the bloody > SBLive noise issues.

That's good news. GPL freezes, I have a post about it a couple of days ago. Hopefully my TB Santa Cruz sound card will have good drivers when I'm ready to take the plunge. Larry

Charles Paluda wrote: < Snip > Thanks Charles: Larry

Milhouse wrote: > > "Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message < Snip >

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> > I have a V5/5500 video card. I see people are using > > Win 2000 drivers for XP. What version of DX is supported > > by this setup? > > > > XP ships with DX8.1; and I have heard some issues with 3dFX boards and XP, > but not sure exactly what/how severe they are.

Thanks Milhouse: What video card are you running? Larry

< Snip > Thanks Milhouse: What video card are you running? Larry

i ran USAF on winXP pro. no prob so far.. "Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hi Experts: > > I make my living on my PC, running Solaris. > > I have WIN 98 SE on the first partition for racing and > flight sims. > > I've been thinking about going with XP, in order to > move into some Windows development. > > I see people are using XP Home for sims. > > Is XP Pro suitable for sims? > > I have two 600 MHz P3s in my 2 year old box, are there > any sims that can take advantage of dual processors? > > Is there any multi-processing of system level services > that single threaded sims can take advantage of with no > programming? > > I have a V5/5500 video card. I see people are using > Win 2000 drivers for XP. What version of DX is supported > by this setup? > > The one thing I can't do is loose Need for Speed Porsche. > My friends would kill me. I'm planning on starting on-line > NFS-PU, so I'd like to be compatible. > > Thanks > Larry >

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>> I have a V5/5500 video card. I see people are using >> Win 2000 drivers for XP. What version of DX is supported >> by this setup? >> > >XP ships with DX8.1; and I have heard some issues with 3dFX boards and XP, >but not sure exactly what/how severe they are.

Obviously you would have to use the beta drivers for the V5 in Win XP, but they are 3rd party hacks only and aren't guaranteed to run in XP. Glide is also dead in XP apparently as well. Harware acceleration is going to be your biggest issue. I'd sugget you'd be better off with a dual boot to ensure that your V5 works properly. Or get a newer video card :) Rafe Mc

"Jared ''Danger'' Earle" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:B829C670.12D2%[email hidden]... > I play GPL and SBK2001 on WP Pro with no problems, apart from the bloody > SBLive noise issues. I can't get GPL running on XP Home. It's the *only* game I haven't been able to get running on XP yet. Are you using NTFS? I think GPL might have a problem with NTFS partitions. I get the GPL splash screen then a dump to the desktop.

"Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hopefully my TB Santa Cruz sound card will have good > drivers when I'm ready to take the plunge. TBSC already has good XP drivers.

"Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > The one thing I can't do is loose Need for Speed Porsche. > My friends would kill me. I'm planning on starting on-line > NFS-PU, so I'd like to be compatible. I have NFS:PU and will try it on XP later for you. The 3DFX drivers that come with XP don't support Glide, but you can get hacked drivers that do I believe. D3D games should be fine.

u can download a hacked 3dfx glide driver for winxp here http://www.ntcompatible.com/3dfxfaq.shtml "STP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:nVWM7.241$[email hidden]...

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> > "Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > The one thing I can't do is loose Need for Speed Porsche. > > My friends would kill me. I'm planning on starting on-line > > NFS-PU, so I'd like to be compatible. > > I have NFS:PU and will try it on XP later for you. The 3DFX drivers that > come with XP don't support Glide, but you can get hacked drivers that do I > believe. D3D games should be fine. > >

> > > I have a V5/5500 video card. I see people are using > > > Win 2000 drivers for XP. What version of DX is supported > > > by this setup? > > > > > > > XP ships with DX8.1; and I have heard some issues with 3dFX boards andXP, > > but not sure exactly what/how severe they are. > > Thanks Milhouse: > > What video card are you running? > NVidia GeForce 2 MX200 32MB. Yeah, pretty weak, but hey, seems that the most I play is GPL anyway, and I can get 36 FPS at 1024x768 no problem, even under XP Pro... That, and the pair of Voodoo2s it replaced sold for -more- on eBay. =) Milhouse

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> > "Jared ''Danger'' Earle" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:B829C670.12D2%[email hidden]... > > I play GPL and SBK2001 on WP Pro with no problems, apart from the bloody > > SBLive noise issues. > > I can't get GPL running on XP Home. It's the *only* game I haven't been

able > to get running on XP yet. Are you using NTFS? I think GPL might have a > problem with NTFS partitions. I get the GPL splash screen then a dump tothe > desktop. You do have all of the patches, right? GPL would do that to me unless I had 1.2 and the D3D patch already installed...and can't be NTFS, that's what I'm using. Milhouse

> That, and the pair of Voodoo2s it replaced sold for -more- on eBay. =) I can certainly believe that. Some would kill for a V2 about now, for older games...remember all those Glide-only games we were so proud of? :-) - John P. Wilson - [email hidden]

GPL and N4 will both take advantage of dual processor machines. Randy "Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... ... > I have two 600 MHz P3s in my 2 year old box, are there > any sims that can take advantage of dual processors?...

"Milhouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:266N7.7148$[email hidden]... > You do have all of the patches, right? GPL would do that to me unless Ihad > 1.2 and the D3D patch already installed...and can't be NTFS, that's whatI'm > using. > > Milhouse Yes,I applied all the patches. I installed it twice and tried it before and after patch, same thing. I have read of some people with the same problem. Did you convert to NTFS before or after you installed GPL? Some are saying that if you convert from FAT32 to NTFS after GPL is installed then it will run, if you convert before then it won't. I don't know myself.

Once upon a time Larry Lindstrom <[email hidden]> scribed carefully: >:Thanks Tsunami: >: >: Which video card are you using? >: >: Larry I currently have an ATI radeon VE 32Mb card, tho I hope to upgrade to a Radeon 8500 sometime. Tsunami

Randy Cassidy wrote: > > GPL and N4 will both take advantage of dual processor machines. I assume, GPL2 and CART3 will do that as well, won't they? ;)

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> > Randy > > "Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > ... > > I have two 600 MHz P3s in my 2 year old box, are there > > any sims that can take advantage of dual processors? > ...

-- l8er ronny

Ya gotta love Randy & what he did with GPL & more! Well done kiddo and I do not care how old GPL is! :) Thom_j. "Randy Cassidy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9u307f$1vs$[email hidden]...

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| GPL and N4 will both take advantage of dual processor machines. | | Randy | | "Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:[email hidden]... | ... | > I have two 600 MHz P3s in my 2 year old box, are there | > any sims that can take advantage of dual processors? | ... | | |

Ronald Stoehr wrote:

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> > Randy Cassidy wrote: > > > > GPL and N4 will both take advantage of dual processor machines. > > I assume, GPL2 and CART3 will do that as well, won't they? > > ;)

That's what's holding up WSC, isn't it? Larry

I never converted, I did a clean install and went with...wait, no, on the partition GPL is installed on, I converted to NTFS almost right off, but long before I installed GPL. Yeah, the first partition was NTFS from the start, the second stayed FAT32 for maybe a few days, hehe... Milhouse "STP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:TgaN7.371$[email hidden]...

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> > "Milhouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:266N7.7148$[email hidden]... > > You do have all of the patches, right? GPL would do that to me unless I > had > > 1.2 and the D3D patch already installed...and can't be NTFS, that's what > I'm > > using. > > > > Milhouse > > Yes,I applied all the patches. I installed it twice and tried it before

and > after patch, same thing. I have read of some people with the same problem. > Did you convert to NTFS before or after you installed GPL? Some are saying > that if you convert from FAT32 to NTFS after GPL is installed then it will > run, if you convert before then it won't. I don't know myself. > >

Wow, the depth and thoroughnes of GPL made "way back when" continues to amaze. Thanks for continued support, Randy! Rafe Mc On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:35:07 -0500, "Randy Cassidy" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>GPL and N4 will both take advantage of dual processor machines. > >Randy > >"Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >... >> I have two 600 MHz P3s in my 2 year old box, are there >> any sims that can take advantage of dual processors? >... > >

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> I never converted, I did a clean install and went with...wait, no, on the > partition GPL is installed on, I converted to NTFS almost right off, but > long before I installed GPL. > > Yeah, the first partition was NTFS from the start, the second stayed FAT32 > for maybe a few days, hehe... > > Milhouse

Well, I don't know what the issue is on my system then. I've always been able to get games running in the past. I'll look into it some more sometime. Thx.

Hmm...what video card and video drivers are you using? Just a thought...on my two GeForce 2 MX-based computers (and likely the third that's sitting next to me just waiting to get an OS - XP - installed =) they all got much better performance all-around, especially in games, if I installed the Detonator XP 21.85 'beta' driver (I say 'beta' because it's one of those ultra-stable betas, at least as far as I've found) - you've got to to do a bit of searching to find it, since 21.83 is the latest one nVidia supports so far. 21.83 is fast, but 21.85 is, well, faster. =) Fastest one, I think; there's even newer betas leaked, but most are slower than 21.83, some much more so. Milhouse "STP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LvfN7.398$[email hidden]... > > "Milhouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:0BeN7.8607$[email hidden]... > > I never converted, I did a clean install and went with...wait, no, onthe > > partition GPL is installed on, I converted to NTFS almost right off, but > > long before I installed GPL. > > > > Yeah, the first partition was NTFS from the start, the second stayedFAT32 > > for maybe a few days, hehe... > > > > Milhouse > > Well, I don't know what the issue is on my system then. I've always been > able to get games running in the past. I'll look into it some moresometime. > Thx. > >

Is the multi-processor support automatic or do you need to set some core.ini params? -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash Randy Cassidy <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9u307f$1vs$[email hidden]... > GPL and N4 will both take advantage of dual processor machines. > > Randy > > "Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > ... > > I have two 600 MHz P3s in my 2 year old box, are there > > any sims that can take advantage of dual processors? > ... > > >

It's automatic. Assuming, of course, that you're running a version of Windows that has multiprocessor support. Randy "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FSyN7.241454$[email hidden]... > Is the multi-processor support automatic or do you need to set somecore.ini

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> params? > > -- > Biz > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and > the....." - Ash > > > Randy Cassidy <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9u307f$1vs$[email hidden]... > > GPL and N4 will both take advantage of dual processor machines. > > > > Randy > > > > "Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > ... > > > I have two 600 MHz P3s in my 2 year old box, are there > > > any sims that can take advantage of dual processors? > > ... > > > > > > > >

"Milhouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7IyN7.12665$[email hidden]... > Hmm...what video card and video drivers are you using? Just athought...on

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> my two GeForce 2 MX-based computers (and likely the third that's sitting > next to me just waiting to get an OS - XP - installed =) they all got much > better performance all-around, especially in games, if I installed the > Detonator XP 21.85 'beta' driver (I say 'beta' because it's one of those > ultra-stable betas, at least as far as I've found) - you've got to to do a > bit of searching to find it, since 21.83 is the latest one nVidia supports > so far. 21.83 is fast, but 21.85 is, well, faster. =) Fastest one, I > think; there's even newer betas leaked, but most are slower than 21.83,

some > much more so. > > Milhouse I have a Radeon 8500 and am using Omega drivers. I have to use these drivers or else I get a major problem in FS2002. I doubt the problem is drivers though. But it could be.

Randy, while you're here........Any word on GPL 1972???? Off the record, of course :) Please??? Rafe Mc On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:05:49 -0500, "Randy Cassidy" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>It's automatic. Assuming, of course, that you're running a version of >Windows that has multiprocessor support. > >Randy > >"Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:FSyN7.241454$[email hidden]... >> Is the multi-processor support automatic or do you need to set some >core.ini >> params? >> >> -- >> Biz >> >> "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand >> alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and >> the....." - Ash >> >> >> Randy Cassidy <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:9u307f$1vs$[email hidden]... >> > GPL and N4 will both take advantage of dual processor machines. >> > >> > Randy >> > >> > "Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > news:[email hidden]... >> > ... >> > > I have two 600 MHz P3s in my 2 year old box, are there >> > > any sims that can take advantage of dual processors? >> > ... >> > >> > >> > >> >> >

"Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Randy, while you're here........Any word on GPL 1972???? Off the > record, of course :) > > Please??? > > Rafe Mc If they expect to get that out next fall, do you REALLY think he would have time to hang out here? Obviously that Randy isn't the Randy hehehehe dave henrie