NASCAR 2002 by Sierra ??????

anyone care to comment about this ? An expansion pack or what? I wonder if the A.I. will be better? hahahhahha,,, oh well I guess I can dream........... http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/categories/products/product.asp?pf_id=215078&mscssid=N1G42U72DS2J9LJRC52FMG2LKLPQ3GUC&ref=1&PromoCode=&site=&siteID=

I read somewhere that Papy are finally going to venture into the console arena. It makes sense too since X-Box and N4 are using DX8. This may not be a Papy thing though, it just says Sierra. <Rich8> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> anyone care to comment about this ? An expansion pack or what? I > wonder if the A.I. will be better? hahahhahha,,, oh well I guess I can > dream........... > > > > >

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well, it does say for the PC ... "Kirk House" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3c182e35$0$33124$[email hidden]...

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> I read somewhere that Papy are finally going to venture into the console > arena. It makes sense too since X-Box and N4 are using DX8. This may not > be a Papy thing though, it just says Sierra. > > <Rich8> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > anyone care to comment about this ? An expansion pack or what? I > > wonder if the A.I. will be better? hahahhahha,,, oh well I guess I can > > dream........... > > > > > > > > > > >

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The Febuary release date jibes with the French Sierra site that had Nascar 5 being released early in the year and GPL 72 in the Fall. I would suspect that Papyrus is coding both PC & Console and that it will be published and marketed under the Sierra name on the consoles. (just my guess...) And it DOES say 2002 season, which implies a minor update at best. Methinks you won't see much different from N4 except the car/driver changes for the new season...and most likely the new tracks that didn't make it in N4. dave henrie "Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > well, it does say for the PC ... > > "Kirk House" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3c182e35$0$33124$[email hidden]... > > I read somewhere that Papy are finally going to venture into the console > > arena. It makes sense too since X-Box and N4 are using DX8. This maynot

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> > be a Papy thing though, it just says Sierra. > > > > <Rich8> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > anyone care to comment about this ? An expansion pack or what? I > > > wonder if the A.I. will be better? hahahhahha,,, oh well I guess I can > > > dream........... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Right you are :) MS must have paid to have their XBOX tab all lit up like that. The title is "NASCAR RACING 2002 SEASON PC" so it sounds like a season pack for N4 and not N5 "Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > well, it does say for the PC ... > > "Kirk House" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3c182e35$0$33124$[email hidden]... > > I read somewhere that Papy are finally going to venture into the console > > arena. It makes sense too since X-Box and N4 are using DX8. This maynot

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> > be a Papy thing though, it just says Sierra. > > > > <Rich8> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > anyone care to comment about this ? An expansion pack or what? I > > > wonder if the A.I. will be better? hahahhahha,,, oh well I guess I can > > > dream........... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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I think you are "right on" there, Dave. That jives with us being contacted by Papy a few months back to provide the new specs on the WC Chute...and the track TSO (terracing and removal of foot bridges, etc.) changes....for what they called, "N5" (they said it was a working title). We laughed and told them we'd just send them the new track in N3.....since that's what we used to design the current WC Chute......they didn't think that was funny. Tom "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uJWR7.41609$ER5.497821@rwcrnsc52... > The Febuary release date jibes with the French Sierra site that hadNascar > 5 being released early in the year and GPL 72 in the Fall. I wouldsuspect > that Papyrus is coding both PC & Console and that it will be published and > marketed under the Sierra name on the consoles. > (just my guess...) > And it DOES say 2002 season, which implies a minor update at best. > Methinks you won't see much different from N4 except the car/driverchanges

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> for the new season...and most likely the new tracks that didn't make it in > N4. > dave henrie > > "Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > well, it does say for the PC ... > > > > "Kirk House" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:3c182e35$0$33124$[email hidden]... > > > I read somewhere that Papy are finally going to venture into the

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> I think you are "right on" there, Dave. That jives with us being contacted > by Papy a few months back to provide the new specs on the WC Chute...and the > track TSO (terracing and removal of foot bridges, etc.) changes....for what > they called, "N5" (they said it was a working title). We laughed and told > them we'd just send them the new track in N3.....since that's what we used > to design the current WC Chute......they didn't think that was funny. > > Tom > >

Hey Tom, I saw a web page of a company that sells wheels and pedals. They just announced a new set of pedals for somewhere in the range of $395. Anyway, they had a logo VERY similar to your indy car logo (the red/green/blue/yellow profile outline). Is that your company? -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

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> In article <dp%R7.42832$ER5.524200@rwcrnsc52>, [email hidden] says... > > I think you are "right on" there, Dave. That jives with us being contacted > > by Papy a few months back to provide the new specs on the WC Chute...and the > > track TSO (terracing and removal of foot bridges, etc.) changes....for what > > they called, "N5" (they said it was a working title). We laughed and told > > them we'd just send them the new track in N3.....since that's what we used > > to design the current WC Chute......they didn't think that was funny. > > > > Tom > > > > > > > Hey Tom, I saw a web page of a company that sells wheels and pedals. > They just announced a new set of pedals for somewhere in the range of > $395. Anyway, they had a logo VERY similar to your indy car logo (the > red/green/blue/yellow profile outline). Is that your company? > > >

Here's the URL - the logo is in the top-right corner: http://www.interactiveracing.com/ -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

N2.5 had a better damage model than N4. ;) At least there will be new tracks to test "hang time" on. Scott PA-Scott "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dp%R7.42832$ER5.524200@rwcrnsc52... > I think you are "right on" there, Dave. That jives with us beingcontacted > by Papy a few months back to provide the new specs on the WC Chute...andthe > track TSO (terracing and removal of foot bridges, etc.) changes....forwhat

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> they called, "N5" (they said it was a working title). We laughed and told > them we'd just send them the new track in N3.....since that's what we used > to design the current WC Chute......they didn't think that was funny. > > Tom > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:uJWR7.41609$ER5.497821@rwcrnsc52... > > The Febuary release date jibes with the French Sierra site that had > Nascar > > 5 being released early in the year and GPL 72 in the Fall. I would > suspect > > that Papyrus is coding both PC & Console and that it will be published

and > > marketed under the Sierra name on the consoles. > > (just my guess...) > > And it DOES say 2002 season, which implies a minor update at best. > > Methinks you won't see much different from N4 except the car/driver > changes > > for the new season...and most likely the new tracks that didn't make itin

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> > N4. > > dave henrie > > > > "Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > well, it does say for the PC ... > > > > > > "Kirk House" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:3c182e35$0$33124$[email hidden]... > > > > I read somewhere that Papy are finally going to venture into the > console > > > > arena. It makes sense too since X-Box and N4 are using DX8. This

may > > not > > > > be a Papy thing though, it just says Sierra. > > > > > > > > <Rich8> wrote in messagenews:[email hidden]...

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> > > > > anyone care to comment about this ? An expansion pack or what? I > > > > > wonder if the A.I. will be better? hahahhahha,,, oh well I guess I > can > > > > > dream........... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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LOL I actual took the whole front end of a Mopar hitting the pitwall at Richmond in NASCAR Legends last night. I have not even seen that at a Super Speedway in N4. MadDAWG

So true :) Had a league race Monday night at Watkins Glen. 40%, realistic damage, sim mode, etc. Leader is behind two side by side slower cars going down the frontstretch. One of the slower cars to early going into T1R, and the leader hits him from behind just past the line. Slower car gets airborne, and stays in the air, ALL the way until he lands in/by the sand trap in T1R. Leader had hit him so hard, that his front clip is destroyed, and the force puts the car on it's rear end vertically like a rocket, destroying the rear clip. IOW, car rocked back and forth like a see-saw, lol. No big deal. Leader pits, repairs made, and he goes on to win the race anyway. Should of had an undriveable car. Oh well, at least the slower car didn't get airborne from a 10-20 mph hit for a change :) -John Scott B. Husted <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:KG2S7.9425$[email hidden]...

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> N2.5 had a better damage model than N4. ;) > > At least there will be new tracks to test "hang time" on. > > Scott > PA-Scott > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:dp%R7.42832$ER5.524200@rwcrnsc52... > > I think you are "right on" there, Dave. That jives with us being > contacted > > by Papy a few months back to provide the new specs on the WC Chute...and > the > > track TSO (terracing and removal of foot bridges, etc.) changes....for > what > > they called, "N5" (they said it was a working title). We laughed and

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> > to design the current WC Chute......they didn't think that was funny. > > > > Tom > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:uJWR7.41609$ER5.497821@rwcrnsc52... > > > The Febuary release date jibes with the French Sierra site that had > > Nascar > > > 5 being released early in the year and GPL 72 in the Fall. I would > > suspect > > > that Papyrus is coding both PC & Console and that it will be published > and > > > marketed under the Sierra name on the consoles. > > > (just my guess...) > > > And it DOES say 2002 season, which implies a minor update at best. > > > Methinks you won't see much different from N4 except the car/driver > > changes > > > for the new season...and most likely the new tracks that didn't make

it > in > > > N4. > > > dave henrie > > > > > > "Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote inmessage

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> > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > well, it does say for the PC ... > > > > > > > > "Kirk House" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:3c182e35$0$33124$[email hidden]... > > > > > I read somewhere that Papy are finally going to venture into the > > console > > > > > arena. It makes sense too since X-Box and N4 are using DX8. This > may > > > not > > > > > be a Papy thing though, it just says Sierra. > > > > > > > > > > <Rich8> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > anyone care to comment about this ? An expansion pack or what?

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And this is REALISTIC Damage modeling in a supposed racing "simulation". ;) Scott PA-Scott "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > So true :) Had a league race Monday night at Watkins Glen. 40%, > realistic damage, sim mode, etc. Leader is behind two side by side slower > cars going down the frontstretch. > > One of the slower cars to early going into T1R, and the leader hits him > from behind just past the line. Slower car gets airborne, and stays inthe > air, ALL the way until he lands in/by the sand trap in T1R. > Leader had hit him so hard, that his front clip is destroyed, and the > force puts the car on it's rear end vertically like a rocket, destroyingthe > rear clip. IOW, car rocked back and forth like a see-saw, lol. > > No big deal. Leader pits, repairs made, and he goes on to win the race > anyway. > > Should of had an undriveable car. Oh well, at least the slower cardidn't

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> get airborne from a 10-20 mph hit for a change :) > > -John > > > Scott B. Husted <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:KG2S7.9425$[email hidden]... > > N2.5 had a better damage model than N4. ;) > > > > At least there will be new tracks to test "hang time" on. > > > > Scott > > PA-Scott > > > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:dp%R7.42832$ER5.524200@rwcrnsc52... > > > I think you are "right on" there, Dave. That jives with us being > > contacted > > > by Papy a few months back to provide the new specs on the WC

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> > the > > > track TSO (terracing and removal of foot bridges, etc.) changes....for > > what > > > they called, "N5" (they said it was a working title). We laughed and > told > > > them we'd just send them the new track in N3.....since that's what we > used > > > to design the current WC Chute......they didn't think that was funny. > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:uJWR7.41609$ER5.497821@rwcrnsc52... > > > > The Febuary release date jibes with the French Sierra site that

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> > > and > > > > marketed under the Sierra name on the consoles. > > > > (just my guess...) > > > > And it DOES say 2002 season, which implies a minor update at best. > > > > Methinks you won't see much different from N4 except the car/driver > > > changes > > > > for the new season...and most likely the new tracks that didn't make > it > > in > > > > N4. > > > > dave henrie > > > > > > > > "Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in > message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > well, it does say for the PC ... > > > > > > > > > > "Kirk House" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:3c182e35$0$33124$[email hidden]... > > > > > > I read somewhere that Papy are finally going to venture into the > > > console > > > > > > arena. It makes sense too since X-Box and N4 are using DX8.

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"Scott B. Husted" wrote: > And this is REALISTIC Damage modeling in a supposed racing "simulation". > ;) > > Scott > PA-Scott > Yeah-I want to see these puppies fly apart on impact! You rarely see the tires come off and start bouncing around even... John DiFool

What is the WC Chute? Tom Pabst wrote:

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> > I think you are "right on" there, Dave. That jives with us being contacted > by Papy a few months back to provide the new specs on the WC Chute...and the > track TSO (terracing and removal of foot bridges, etc.) changes....for what > they called, "N5" (they said it was a working title). We laughed and told > them we'd just send them the new track in N3.....since that's what we used > to design the current WC Chute......they didn't think that was funny. > > Tom > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:uJWR7.41609$ER5.497821@rwcrnsc52... > > The Febuary release date jibes with the French Sierra site that had > Nascar > > 5 being released early in the year and GPL 72 in the Fall. I would > suspect > > that Papyrus is coding both PC & Console and that it will be published and > > marketed under the Sierra name on the consoles. > > (just my guess...) > > And it DOES say 2002 season, which implies a minor update at best. > > Methinks you won't see much different from N4 except the car/driver > changes > > for the new season...and most likely the new tracks that didn't make it in > > N4. > > dave henrie > > > > "Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > well, it does say for the PC ... > > > > > > "Kirk House" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:3c182e35$0$33124$[email hidden]... > > > > I read somewhere that Papy are finally going to venture into the > console > > > > arena. It makes sense too since X-Box and N4 are using DX8. This may > > not > > > > be a Papy thing though, it just says Sierra. > > > > > > > > <Rich8> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > > > anyone care to comment about this ? An expansion pack or what? I > > > > > wonder if the A.I. will be better? hahahhahha,,, oh well I guess I > can > > > > > dream........... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/categories/products/product.asp?pf_id=215078&mscs > > > > sid=N1G42U72DS2J9LJRC52FMG2LKLPQ3GUC&ref=1&PromoCode=&site=&siteID= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

LOL! You may very well have stumbled onto something interesting here... I bet that page disappears within, oh, the COB today. -Larry <Rich8> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> anyone care to comment about this ? An expansion pack or what? I > wonder if the A.I. will be better? hahahhahha,,, oh well I guess I can > dream........... > > > > >

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It explicity says PC, and even includes their little mouse symbol indicating PC. Whatever it is, it ain't console. Interesting... -Larry <Rich8> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> anyone care to comment about this ? An expansion pack or what? I > wonder if the A.I. will be better? hahahhahha,,, oh well I guess I can > dream........... > > > > >

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$50 for a Season Pack? -Larry "Kirk House" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3c183752$0$90839$[email hidden]...

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> Right you are :) MS must have paid to have their XBOX tab all lit up like > that. > The title is "NASCAR RACING 2002 SEASON PC" > so it sounds like a season pack for N4 and not N5 > > "Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > well, it does say for the PC ... > > > > "Kirk House" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:3c182e35$0$33124$[email hidden]... > > > I read somewhere that Papy are finally going to venture into the

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"John DiFool"> Yeah-I want to see these puppies fly apart on impact! > You rarely see the tires come off and start bouncing around > even... > > John DiFool I wouldn't be suprised if that kind of damage has been limited by Nascar. Way back in ICR1, Papyrus had all sorts of body parts, wings, tires bouncing and flying off in collisions. But with the death/injuries of several fans from flying tires, I just don't think Nascar would be too willing to have that part of racing exposed. dave henrie

nope,, $50 for the latest patch, hahhaha :rolleyes: On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:16:37 GMT, "Larry \(The Other Larry\)" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>$50 for a Season Pack? > >-Larry > >"Kirk House" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:3c183752$0$90839$[email hidden]... >> Right you are :) MS must have paid to have their XBOX tab all lit up like >> that. >> The title is "NASCAR RACING 2002 SEASON PC" >> so it sounds like a season pack for N4 and not N5 >> >> "Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > well, it does say for the PC ... >> > >> > "Kirk House" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > news:3c182e35$0$33124$[email hidden]... >> > > I read somewhere that Papy are finally going to venture into the >console >> > > arena. It makes sense too since X-Box and N4 are using DX8. This may >> not >> > > be a Papy thing though, it just says Sierra. >> > > >> > > <Rich8> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... >> > > > anyone care to comment about this ? An expansion pack or what? I >> > > > wonder if the A.I. will be better? hahahhahha,,, oh well I guess I >can >> > > > dream........... >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/categories/products/product.asp?pf_id=215078&mscs >> > > sid=N1G42U72DS2J9LJRC52FMG2LKLPQ3GUC&ref=1&PromoCode=&site=&siteID= >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> > >

Yeah, that was one, of many, reasons Hasbro said Heat didn't have yellows. Personally, thought it was a cop out then and now. Could be mistaken though, who knows. -John Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cj6S7.44470$ER5.532418@rwcrnsc52... > > I wouldn't be suprised if that kind of damage has been limited byNascar. > Way back in ICR1, Papyrus had all sorts of body parts, wings, tiresbouncing > and flying off in collisions. But with the death/injuries of several fans > from flying tires, I just don't think Nascar would be too willing to have > that part of racing exposed. > dave henrie > >

Exactly. And you bet it affected the race; he shouldn't have even finished, let alone won. -John Scott B. Husted <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tC4S7.9452$[email hidden]...

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> And this is REALISTIC Damage modeling in a supposed racing "simulation". > ;) > > > Scott > PA-Scott > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > So true :) Had a league race Monday night at Watkins Glen. 40%, > > realistic damage, sim mode, etc. Leader is behind two side by side

slower > > cars going down the frontstretch. > > > > One of the slower cars to early going into T1R, and the leader hitshim

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> > from behind just past the line. Slower car gets airborne, and stays in > the > > air, ALL the way until he lands in/by the sand trap in T1R. > > Leader had hit him so hard, that his front clip is destroyed, and the > > force puts the car on it's rear end vertically like a rocket, destroying > the > > rear clip. IOW, car rocked back and forth like a see-saw, lol. > > > > No big deal. Leader pits, repairs made, and he goes on to win the

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> > anyway. > > > > Should of had an undriveable car. Oh well, at least the slower car > didn't > > get airborne from a 10-20 mph hit for a change :) > > > > -John > > > > > > Scott B. Husted <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:KG2S7.9425$[email hidden]... > > > N2.5 had a better damage model than N4. ;) > > > > > > At least there will be new tracks to test "hang time" on. > > > > > > Scott > > > PA-Scott > > > > > > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:dp%R7.42832$ER5.524200@rwcrnsc52... > > > > I think you are "right on" there, Dave. That jives with us being > > > contacted > > > > by Papy a few months back to provide the new specs on the WC > Chute...and > > > the > > > > track TSO (terracing and removal of foot bridges, etc.)

changes....for > > > what > > > > they called, "N5" (they said it was a working title). We laughedand > > told > > > > them we'd just send them the new track in N3.....since that's whatwe > > used > > > > to design the current WC Chute......they didn't think that wasfunny.

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> > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:uJWR7.41609$ER5.497821@rwcrnsc52... > > > > > The Febuary release date jibes with the French Sierra site that > had > > > > Nascar > > > > > 5 being released early in the year and GPL 72 in the Fall. I

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> > > > suspect > > > > > that Papyrus is coding both PC & Console and that it will be > published > > > > > and > > > > > marketed under the Sierra name on the consoles. > > > > > (just my guess...) > > > > > And it DOES say 2002 season, which implies a minor update at

best. > > > > > Methinks you won't see much different from N4 except thecar/driver > > > > changes > > > > > for the new season...and most likely the new tracks that didn'tmake

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> > it > > > in > > > > > N4. > > > > > dave henrie > > > > > > > > > > "Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in > > message > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > well, it does say for the PC ... > > > > > > > > > > > > "Kirk House" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:3c182e35$0$33124$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > I read somewhere that Papy are finally going to venture into

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> > > > console > > > > > > > arena. It makes sense too since X-Box and N4 are using DX8. > This > > > may > > > > > not > > > > > > > be a Papy thing though, it just says Sierra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Rich8> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > anyone care to comment about this ? An expansion pack or > what? > > I > > > > > > > > wonder if the A.I. will be better? hahahhahha,,, oh well I > guess > > I > > > > can > > > > > > > > dream........... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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I heard Sierra'Papy's next project is a riding lawnmower sim using a modified GPL engine... Full 6 degrees of grass physics, mower blade thickness and sharpness options, terrain deforming ala Red Faction. Also to include variations in seasons, Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter. The Fall/Winter sessons will include (because of the lull in lawnmower season) couch potato championships, cable T.V. channel switching challenges (for all you twitch finger channel changers) They also plan an add on pack with grass variations and riding mower mods, such as: body kits, coffee can (fart) mufflers, performance inhancement graphics and enhanced 3D grass A.I. and for the first time fire !! Yes indeed Sierra/Papy has finally topped itself...but if I can't flip the mower I ain't buying it,, do you hear that Sierra ? On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:11:17 GMT, "Larry \(The Other Larry\)" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>It explicity says PC, and even includes their little mouse symbol indicating >PC. > >Whatever it is, it ain't console. > >Interesting... > >-Larry > ><Rich8> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... >> anyone care to comment about this ? An expansion pack or what? I >> wonder if the A.I. will be better? hahahhahha,,, oh well I guess I can >> dream........... >> >> >> >> >> >http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/categories/products/product.asp?pf_id=215078&mscs >sid=N1G42U72DS2J9LJRC52FMG2LKLPQ3GUC&ref=1&PromoCode=&site=&siteID= > >

Yet they let the cars get airborne in 20mph collisions and fly through the air? =) -- Scott B. Husted ICQ# 4395450 http://www.Husted.cc "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cj6S7.44470$ER5.532418@rwcrnsc52... > > "John DiFool"> Yeah-I want to see these puppies fly apart on impact! > > You rarely see the tires come off and start bouncing around > > even... > > > > John DiFool > I wouldn't be suprised if that kind of damage has been limited by Nascar. > Way back in ICR1, Papyrus had all sorts of body parts, wings, tires bouncing > and flying off in collisions. But with the death/injuries of several fans > from flying tires, I just don't think Nascar would be too willing to have > that part of racing exposed. > dave henrie > >

I wonder if there will be a one lap penalty for accidentally mowing over the neighbors cat? On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:07:51 GMT, (Rich8) wrote:

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> I heard Sierra'Papy's next project is a riding lawnmower sim using a >modified GPL engine... Full 6 degrees of grass physics, mower blade >thickness and sharpness options, terrain deforming ala Red Faction. >Also to include variations in seasons, Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter. > >The Fall/Winter sessons will include (because of the lull in lawnmower >season) couch potato championships, cable T.V. channel switching >challenges (for all you twitch finger channel changers) > >They also plan an add on pack with grass variations and riding mower >mods, such as: body kits, coffee can (fart) mufflers, performance >inhancement graphics and enhanced 3D grass A.I. and for the first time >fire !! > >Yes indeed Sierra/Papy has finally topped itself...but if I can't flip >the mower I ain't buying it,, do you hear that Sierra ? > > > > > > > > > > > >On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:11:17 GMT, "Larry \(The Other Larry\)" ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >>It explicity says PC, and even includes their little mouse symbol indicating >>PC. >> >>Whatever it is, it ain't console. >> >>Interesting... >> >>-Larry >> >><Rich8> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... >>> anyone care to comment about this ? An expansion pack or what? I >>> wonder if the A.I. will be better? hahahhahha,,, oh well I guess I can >>> dream........... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/categories/products/product.asp?pf_id=215078&mscs >>sid=N1G42U72DS2J9LJRC52FMG2LKLPQ3GUC&ref=1&PromoCode=&site=&siteID= >> >>

They can show no visible dent on the car anywhere for all I care. Just make sure that car is out of the race or severely off the pace. Tom "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cj6S7.44470$ER5.532418@rwcrnsc52...

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> > "John DiFool"> Yeah-I want to see these puppies fly apart on impact! > > You rarely see the tires come off and start bouncing around > > even... > > > > John DiFool > I wouldn't be suprised if that kind of damage has been limited by

Nascar. > Way back in ICR1, Papyrus had all sorts of body parts, wings, tiresbouncing > and flying off in collisions. But with the death/injuries of several fans > from flying tires, I just don't think Nascar would be too willing to have > that part of racing exposed. > dave henrie > >

Penalty? It's an automatic win. ;0) -- Joe Marques "It's Me!" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I wonder if there will be a one lap penalty for accidentally mowing > over the neighbors cat? > > On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:07:51 GMT, (Rich8) wrote: >

Good point. -John Tom Oliver <tomol(removethis)@oz.net> wrote in message news:ZgiS7.680$[email hidden]... > They can show no visible dent on the car anywhere for all I care. Justmake > sure that car is out of the race or severely off the pace. > > Tom > >

We can have a freakin' steering wheel that practically yanks your arm out pulling to the left, in the name of realism, but we can't have a fender fall off. Oh, no... That would be unacceptable! This "you can't show damage" thing has always irritated me... It's come up in other racing sims before. -Larry "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cj6S7.44470$ER5.532418@rwcrnsc52...

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> > "John DiFool"> Yeah-I want to see these puppies fly apart on impact! > > You rarely see the tires come off and start bouncing around > > even... > > > > John DiFool > I wouldn't be suprised if that kind of damage has been limited by

Nascar. > Way back in ICR1, Papyrus had all sorts of body parts, wings, tiresbouncing > and flying off in collisions. But with the death/injuries of several fans > from flying tires, I just don't think Nascar would be too willing to have > that part of racing exposed. > dave henrie > >

In article <yroS7.262379$[email hidden]>, "Joe Marques" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Penalty? It's an automatic win. ;0) > >-- >Joe Marques > > >"It's Me!" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> I wonder if there will be a one lap penalty for accidentally mowing >> over the neighbors cat?

Don't let Goy hear you say that...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I wasn't saying they wouldn't show ANY damage...just stuff like flying wheels, at best you may see it slither away on the ground, but I would think Nascar would prefer all sims to only ding fenders not lose wheels or anything else that might be considered a missle. dave henrie "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:YnrS7.23810$[email hidden]... > We can have a freakin' steering wheel that practically yanks your arm out > pulling to the left, in the name of realism, but we can't have a fenderfall > off. Oh, no... That would be unacceptable! > > This "you can't show damage" thing has always irritated me... It's comeup

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> in other racing sims before. > > -Larry > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:cj6S7.44470$ER5.532418@rwcrnsc52... > > > > "John DiFool"> Yeah-I want to see these puppies fly apart on

impact!

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> > > You rarely see the tires come off and start bouncing around > > > even... > > > > > > John DiFool > > I wouldn't be suprised if that kind of damage has been limited by > Nascar. > > Way back in ICR1, Papyrus had all sorts of body parts, wings, tires > bouncing > > and flying off in collisions. But with the death/injuries of several

fans > > from flying tires, I just don't think Nascar would be too willing tohave > > that part of racing exposed. > > dave henrie > > > > > >

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> > In article <yroS7.262379$[email hidden]>, "Joe Marques" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Penalty? It's an automatic win. ;0) > > > >-- > >Joe Marques > > > > > >"It's Me!" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> I wonder if there will be a one lap penalty for accidentally mowing > >> over the neighbors cat? > > Don't let Goy hear you say that...<g>

Oh shut up....:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

If it's na$car sanctioned I'd expect bonus points Marty "It's Me!" wrote:

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> I wonder if there will be a one lap penalty for accidentally mowing > over the neighbors cat? > > On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:07:51 GMT, (Rich8) wrote: > > > I heard Sierra'Papy's next project is a riding lawnmower sim using a > >modified GPL engine... Full 6 degrees of grass physics, mower blade > >thickness and sharpness options, terrain deforming ala Red Faction. > >Also to include variations in seasons, Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter. > > > >The Fall/Winter sessons will include (because of the lull in lawnmower > >season) couch potato championships, cable T.V. channel switching > >challenges (for all you twitch finger channel changers) > > > >They also plan an add on pack with grass variations and riding mower > >mods, such as: body kits, coffee can (fart) mufflers, performance > >inhancement graphics and enhanced 3D grass A.I. and for the first time > >fire !! > > > >Yes indeed Sierra/Papy has finally topped itself...but if I can't flip > >the mower I ain't buying it,, do you hear that Sierra ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:11:17 GMT, "Larry \(The Other Larry\)" > ><[email hidden]> wrote: > > > >>It explicity says PC, and even includes their little mouse symbol indicating > >>PC. > >> > >>Whatever it is, it ain't console. > >> > >>Interesting... > >> > >>-Larry > >> > >><Rich8> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >>> anyone care to comment about this ? An expansion pack or what? I > >>> wonder if the A.I. will be better? hahahhahha,,, oh well I guess I can > >>> dream........... > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/categories/products/product.asp?pf_id=215078&mscs > >>sid=N1G42U72DS2J9LJRC52FMG2LKLPQ3GUC&ref=1&PromoCode=&site=&siteID= > >> > >>