On-Line Racing Sims.

Two weeks ago my friends and I started racing NFS/Porsche Unleashed on line. This is the first time I've been on line with any software, and we had a great time. EA has decided to take down the NFS/PU servers on January 8th, for no purpose other than to screw over their customers from what I can see. Break Porsche Unleashed in order to pressure owners of that software to buy their new video game, Motor City Online. Anyway, we're going to need to find a new on-line sim. I know GPL has an active on-line community, but I haven't been able to get that working with my new Voodoo 5/5500 card and GPL's a little deep for my friends. So, what are some alternative on-line racing sims that are a little less "twitchy" than GPL? NFS/PU is a nice mix of challenge and approachability. I'm wondering about SCGT, but I'd like to hear of other candidates. EA has the right to treat their customers with contempt. I'm particularly interested on non-EA titles. Thanks Larry

You might want to look into F2 racing in GPL. Same great physics model but the engines are more like something you'd find in a souped up street car and the racing is much closer. BTW, the V5 should work great in GPL just make sure you have Glide picked in the options menu and you have all the latest patches. www.papy.com "Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Two weeks ago my friends and I started racing NFS/Porsche > Unleashed on line. > > This is the first time I've been on line with any software, > and we had a great time. > > EA has decided to take down the NFS/PU servers on January > 8th, for no purpose other than to screw over their customers > from what I can see. Break Porsche Unleashed in order to > pressure owners of that software to buy their new video game, > Motor City Online. > > Anyway, we're going to need to find a new on-line sim. > > I know GPL has an active on-line community, but I haven't > been able to get that working with my new Voodoo 5/5500 card > and GPL's a little deep for my friends. > > So, what are some alternative on-line racing sims that are > a little less "twitchy" than GPL? NFS/PU is a nice mix of > challenge and approachability. I'm wondering about SCGT, but > I'd like to hear of other candidates. > > EA has the right to treat their customers with contempt. > I'm particularly interested on non-EA titles. > > Thanks > Larry

The most active online racing I know of is Nascar Racing 4. There is no problem finding races 24 hours a day any day. -Larry "Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Two weeks ago my friends and I started racing NFS/Porsche > Unleashed on line. > > This is the first time I've been on line with any software, > and we had a great time. > > EA has decided to take down the NFS/PU servers on January > 8th, for no purpose other than to screw over their customers > from what I can see. Break Porsche Unleashed in order to > pressure owners of that software to buy their new video game, > Motor City Online. > > Anyway, we're going to need to find a new on-line sim. > > I know GPL has an active on-line community, but I haven't > been able to get that working with my new Voodoo 5/5500 card > and GPL's a little deep for my friends. > > So, what are some alternative on-line racing sims that are > a little less "twitchy" than GPL? NFS/PU is a nice mix of > challenge and approachability. I'm wondering about SCGT, but > I'd like to hear of other candidates. > > EA has the right to treat their customers with contempt. > I'm particularly interested on non-EA titles. > > Thanks > Larry

What does "F2 Racing in GPL" mean ? Thanks :) -Larry "Kirk House" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3c18ea60$0$339$[email hidden]... > You might want to look into F2 racing in GPL. Same great physics modelbut > the engines are more like something you'd find in a souped up street carand

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> the racing is much closer. BTW, the V5 should work great in GPL just make > sure you have Glide picked in the options menu and you have all the latest > patches. www.papy.com > > > "Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Two weeks ago my friends and I started racing NFS/Porsche > > Unleashed on line. > > > > This is the first time I've been on line with any software, > > and we had a great time. > > > > EA has decided to take down the NFS/PU servers on January > > 8th, for no purpose other than to screw over their customers > > from what I can see. Break Porsche Unleashed in order to > > pressure owners of that software to buy their new video game, > > Motor City Online. > > > > Anyway, we're going to need to find a new on-line sim. > > > > I know GPL has an active on-line community, but I haven't > > been able to get that working with my new Voodoo 5/5500 card > > and GPL's a little deep for my friends. > > > > So, what are some alternative on-line racing sims that are > > a little less "twitchy" than GPL? NFS/PU is a nice mix of > > challenge and approachability. I'm wondering about SCGT, but > > I'd like to hear of other candidates. > > > > EA has the right to treat their customers with contempt. > > I'm particularly interested on non-EA titles. > > > > Thanks > > Larry > >

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> > So, what are some alternative on-line racing sims that are > a little less "twitchy" than GPL? NFS/PU is a nice mix of > challenge and approachability. I'm wondering about SCGT, but > I'd like to hear of other candidates. > > EA has the right to treat their customers with contempt. > I'm particularly interested on non-EA titles.

Basically, anything made by Papy, Codemasters or Ratbag has very good online play. N4 or GPL are good examples of Papy, Colin McRae 2 for CM, or any of the 87 remakes of Dirt Track Racing are good for Ratbag. Rally Masters works well, too. If you're staying within friends, i.e. less than 4 of you, the choice gets wider. I personally like GP500 or F1 2001, but I'm told that Nascar Heat works well too. Online games to miss are Mercedes Benz Trucks, GP3, F1RC (for me, at least) and SBK 2001, all of which are great games but BAD online. All in my opinion, which ain't worth much.

It means the cars have smaller engines. They are just much easier to handle than the GP/F1 cars in GPL. You're right though, if you like NASCAR, N4 is the only way to go IMHO. "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WZ5S7.18300$[email hidden]...

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> What does "F2 Racing in GPL" mean ? > > Thanks :) > > -Larry > > "Kirk House" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3c18ea60$0$339$[email hidden]... > > You might want to look into F2 racing in GPL. Same great physics model > but > > the engines are more like something you'd find in a souped up street car > and > > the racing is much closer. BTW, the V5 should work great in GPL just

make > > sure you have Glide picked in the options menu and you have all thelatest

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> > patches. www.papy.com > > > > > > "Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Two weeks ago my friends and I started racing NFS/Porsche > > > Unleashed on line. > > > > > > This is the first time I've been on line with any software, > > > and we had a great time. > > > > > > EA has decided to take down the NFS/PU servers on January > > > 8th, for no purpose other than to screw over their customers > > > from what I can see. Break Porsche Unleashed in order to > > > pressure owners of that software to buy their new video game, > > > Motor City Online. > > > > > > Anyway, we're going to need to find a new on-line sim. > > > > > > I know GPL has an active on-line community, but I haven't > > > been able to get that working with my new Voodoo 5/5500 card > > > and GPL's a little deep for my friends. > > > > > > So, what are some alternative on-line racing sims that are > > > a little less "twitchy" than GPL? NFS/PU is a nice mix of > > > challenge and approachability. I'm wondering about SCGT, but > > > I'd like to hear of other candidates. > > > > > > EA has the right to treat their customers with contempt. > > > I'm particularly interested on non-EA titles. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Larry > > > > > >

>any of the 87 remakes of Dirt Track Racing are good for Ratbag. I wouldn't consider Ratbag titles good for online play. The original Dirt Track Racing is the best of the bunch, but the number of people playing is dropping fast. DTRSC is terrible online for warp over 4 cars, and Leadfoot won't even run in Gamespy because it gets crossed up with another game. Leadfoot is so unpoplar that Ratbagg even gave up on patching it! If GPL or N4 seem to much then you might try N3. N3 is not as demanding on driver or hardware. MadDAWG

The GPL "F2" cars are the "Advanced Trainer" cars. Less power and less grip than the GPL F1 cars, which (IMO) makes for much more interesting online racing - drivers stick closer together and overtaking is easier. Have a read of this -> http://jc.simracing.dk/guide/guide.htm and then check out the vrocf2 yahoo group for details of well-attended online racing on Saturday afternoons and (usually) several evenings each week as well. Have fun Jim "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WZ5S7.18300$[email hidden]...

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> What does "F2 Racing in GPL" mean ? > > Thanks :) > > -Larry > > "Kirk House" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3c18ea60$0$339$[email hidden]... > > You might want to look into F2 racing in GPL. Same great physics model > but > > the engines are more like something you'd find in a souped up street car > and > > the racing is much closer. BTW, the V5 should work great in GPL just

make > > sure you have Glide picked in the options menu and you have all thelatest

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> > patches. www.papy.com > > > > > > "Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Two weeks ago my friends and I started racing NFS/Porsche > > > Unleashed on line. > > > > > > This is the first time I've been on line with any software, > > > and we had a great time. > > > > > > EA has decided to take down the NFS/PU servers on January > > > 8th, for no purpose other than to screw over their customers > > > from what I can see. Break Porsche Unleashed in order to > > > pressure owners of that software to buy their new video game, > > > Motor City Online. > > > > > > Anyway, we're going to need to find a new on-line sim. > > > > > > I know GPL has an active on-line community, but I haven't > > > been able to get that working with my new Voodoo 5/5500 card > > > and GPL's a little deep for my friends. > > > > > > So, what are some alternative on-line racing sims that are > > > a little less "twitchy" than GPL? NFS/PU is a nice mix of > > > challenge and approachability. I'm wondering about SCGT, but > > > I'd like to hear of other candidates. > > > > > > EA has the right to treat their customers with contempt. > > > I'm particularly interested on non-EA titles. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Larry > > > > > >

Nascar Heat's also a good choice for accessibility to non-experts. You can find races as many as 20 cars or so (typically a dozen or less) through the free IRF utility ( http://internetracefinder.com/ ) and race in any mode from Normal (fixed setups, relaxed difficulty and damage model) through Expert and Hardcore (practice and setup work required, progressively more realistic car behavior and damage model). The online code's good and there are a number of add-on mods and tracks for different kinds of racing as well. SB "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> >any of the 87 remakes of Dirt Track Racing are good for Ratbag. > > I wouldn't consider Ratbag titles good for online play. The original Dirt > Track Racing is the best of the bunch, but the number of people playing is > dropping fast. DTRSC is terrible online for warp over 4 cars, and Leadfoot > won't even run in Gamespy because it gets crossed up with another game. > Leadfoot is so unpoplar that Ratbagg even gave up on patching it! > > If GPL or N4 seem to much then you might try N3. N3 is not as demanding on > driver or hardware. > > MadDAWG > >

FD cars in GPL are great too, if you decide to try that route; F2 engine with a F1 chassis; the F1 chassis has more grip than an F2 one. -John Larry Lindstrom <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Two weeks ago my friends and I started racing NFS/Porsche > Unleashed on line. > > This is the first time I've been on line with any software, > and we had a great time. > > EA has decided to take down the NFS/PU servers on January > 8th, for no purpose other than to screw over their customers > from what I can see. Break Porsche Unleashed in order to > pressure owners of that software to buy their new video game, > Motor City Online. > > Anyway, we're going to need to find a new on-line sim. > > I know GPL has an active on-line community, but I haven't > been able to get that working with my new Voodoo 5/5500 card > and GPL's a little deep for my friends. > > So, what are some alternative on-line racing sims that are > a little less "twitchy" than GPL? NFS/PU is a nice mix of > challenge and approachability. I'm wondering about SCGT, but > I'd like to hear of other candidates. > > EA has the right to treat their customers with contempt. > I'm particularly interested on non-EA titles. > > Thanks > Larry

Just because the servers are taken down doesn't mean you and your friends can't still race online together. David G Fisher "Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Two weeks ago my friends and I started racing NFS/Porsche > Unleashed on line. > > This is the first time I've been on line with any software, > and we had a great time. > > EA has decided to take down the NFS/PU servers on January > 8th, for no purpose other than to screw over their customers > from what I can see. Break Porsche Unleashed in order to > pressure owners of that software to buy their new video game, > Motor City Online. > > Anyway, we're going to need to find a new on-line sim. > > I know GPL has an active on-line community, but I haven't > been able to get that working with my new Voodoo 5/5500 card > and GPL's a little deep for my friends. > > So, what are some alternative on-line racing sims that are > a little less "twitchy" than GPL? NFS/PU is a nice mix of > challenge and approachability. I'm wondering about SCGT, but > I'd like to hear of other candidates. > > EA has the right to treat their customers with contempt. > I'm particularly interested on non-EA titles. > > Thanks > Larry

Thanks for your recommendations. My friends are interested in NASCAR, but I'm much more interested in road racing. In fact, this would be a good time for WSC to be released. My I have that on the shelves by January 8th please? Nobody picked up on my mention of SCGT. Is this not a good candidate for on line racing? I dabbled with this, off line, a year ago, but I didn't have a chance to really get into it. The cars and the tracks are interesting. I also like Formula One. F1RC never made it to my neighborhood in the United States. Many hated the AI but loved the rest of it. Is this also not a good sim for on-line play? I was thinking about getting F1-2001, but after EA's decision to screw their Porsche Unleashed customers, I'd rather spend my money elsewhere. I have F1CS2000, is that any good on line? The greatest on-line sim ever made is nothing without an active community. This has impressed me about Porsche Unleashed, and makes EA's decision to mistreat these nice people particularly troubling. What are the URLs where other online sim communities can be found? One thing about my situation is this. I'm the only one with a PC, so the three to five minute contests of Porsche Unleashed are nice bits of time while others wait their turn. How long are the races in Colin McRae 2? When I'm alone, longer races is no problem. Thanks again Larry

F1RC and F12001 can be played online at http://www.f1rcrelay.com/ . Rally Trophy too. David G Fisher "Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> The greatest on-line sim ever made is nothing > without an active community. This has impressed me > about Porsche Unleashed, and makes EA's decision to > mistreat these nice people particularly troubling. > What are the URLs where other online sim communities > can be found? > > One thing about my situation is this. I'm the > only one with a PC, so the three to five minute > contests of Porsche Unleashed are nice bits of time > while others wait their turn. > > How long are the races in Colin McRae 2? > > When I'm alone, longer races is no problem. > > Thanks again > Larry

"Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Thanks for your recommendations. > One thing about my situation is this. I'm the > only one with a PC, so the three to five minute > contests of Porsche Unleashed are nice bits of time > while others wait their turn. > > How long are the races in Colin McRae 2?

Oh, ok, I thought you meant you hooked up with your friends online - I guess you mean they go round to your place, take in turns. In which case, Colin McRae 2's the way to go. Short, 3 min stages, you can race against each other, and go online if you want to, too. In fact, pretty much any rally sim (as DGF said, Rally Trophy), will suit.

Again, I'm very grateful for all these responses. To me, "On line" means on the Internet against strangers. Or, as I'm finding with Porsche Unleashed, new friends. Yes, my situation is me and two or three friends waiting our turns at my PC. That's the weekends, during the week, I'd be on line by myself, and ready for longer races on deeper sims, like GPL if I can get the thing to work. It worked on my old V5, I need to figure out why the "OEM" V5 I got in September locks GPL as soon as I get into the cockpit. I posted on this last week and I received advice that I haven't had a chance to pursue. Several months ago, someone compared three rally sims. Could someone do that again, with emphasis on Internet on line competition? I'm unfamiliar with rally sims. The rally's I see on TV are solitary affairs. One of Porsche Unleashed charms is the wheel to wheel racing. Thanks Larry

TPTCC at the uspits.com check it out. We are using a Touring Car mod for Nascar Heat (DTM) and have had so many members we have had to split the group into A & B classses... Road Racing almost exclusively.... also N3 still has a strong following of online racers with both pickup races and league events. http://www.theuspits.com/fbody/tptcc/index.html dave henrie "Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Again, I'm very grateful for all these responses. > > To me, "On line" means on the Internet against > strangers. Or, as I'm finding with Porsche Unleashed, > new friends. > > Yes, my situation is me and two or three friends > waiting our turns at my PC. That's the weekends, > during the week, I'd be on line by myself, and ready > for longer races on deeper sims, like GPL if I can > get the thing to work. It worked on my old V5, I > need to figure out why the "OEM" V5 I got in > September locks GPL as soon as I get into the cockpit. > I posted on this last week and I received advice that > I haven't had a chance to pursue. > > Several months ago, someone compared three rally > sims. Could someone do that again, with emphasis on > Internet on line competition? I'm unfamiliar with > rally sims. The rally's I see on TV are solitary > affairs. One of Porsche Unleashed charms is the wheel > to wheel racing. > > Thanks > Larry

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> > Again, I'm very grateful for all these responses. > > Yes, my situation is me and two or three friends > waiting our turns at my PC. That's the weekends, > during the week, I'd be on line by myself, and ready > for longer races on deeper sims, like GPL if I can > get the thing to work. It worked on my old V5, I > need to figure out why the "OEM" V5 I got in > September locks GPL as soon as I get into the cockpit. > I posted on this last week and I received advice that > I haven't had a chance to pursue.

Hummm. Here's all I can come up with... - Disable 'triple buffering' in 3dfx control panel. - Make sure there are no graphics related DLL files in your GPL directory. Rast3dfx.dll is the only Glide DLL you'll want. - Check your app.ini for [ Graphics ] lastRasterizerDLL = rast3dfx.dll ;Last rasterizer DLL selected - Try another driver set. See http://www.vanshardware.com/reviews/2001/october/011023_Voodoo/011023_Voodoo.htm or http://www.falconfly.de/3dfx.htm for a partial list of what's out there. I hope one of these helps... -Greg -- ============ Anti-Spam measures have been taken! Remove duplicate letters to reply.

> The greatest on-line sim ever made is nothing > without an active community. This has impressed me > about Porsche Unleashed, and makes EA's decision to > mistreat these nice people particularly troubling. > What are the URLs where other online sim communities > can be found? This community could grow even stronger with the closing of the servers. We still have TCP/IP peer to peer multiplayer where anyone can host a game. Web sites and client software to organize races could be developed, that was far more informative and user friendly than the current EA servers. January 8 will show how strong the community is. There will sure be multiplayer games after January 8. But there might not be games 24/7. Jone Tytlandsvik

"Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote ... > Nobody picked up on my mention of SCGT. Is this > not a good candidate for on line racing? IIRC from back when SCGT was released, it did not work well for online play - it became a slideshow even with just a few players. It performed OK over a LAN though, great fun. ...Klinn

I have GPL, but other than a little racing here and there, don't know the SIM inside and out. I don't recall anything about "GP/F1". How is this enabled, turned on, selected, or whatever? Thanks :) -Larry "Kirk House" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3c18fb00$0$339$[email hidden]... > It means the cars have smaller engines. They are just much easier tohandle > than the GP/F1 cars in GPL. You're right though, if you like NASCAR, N4is

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> the only way to go IMHO. > > > "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:WZ5S7.18300$[email hidden]... > > What does "F2 Racing in GPL" mean ? > > > > Thanks :) > > > > -Larry > > > > "Kirk House" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:3c18ea60$0$339$[email hidden]... > > > You might want to look into F2 racing in GPL. Same great physics

model > > but > > > the engines are more like something you'd find in a souped up streetcar

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> > and > > > the racing is much closer. BTW, the V5 should work great in GPL just > make > > > sure you have Glide picked in the options menu and you have all the > latest > > > patches. www.papy.com > > > > > > > > > "Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Two weeks ago my friends and I started racing NFS/Porsche > > > > Unleashed on line. > > > > > > > > This is the first time I've been on line with any software, > > > > and we had a great time. > > > > > > > > EA has decided to take down the NFS/PU servers on January > > > > 8th, for no purpose other than to screw over their customers > > > > from what I can see. Break Porsche Unleashed in order to > > > > pressure owners of that software to buy their new video game, > > > > Motor City Online. > > > > > > > > Anyway, we're going to need to find a new on-line sim. > > > > > > > > I know GPL has an active on-line community, but I haven't > > > > been able to get that working with my new Voodoo 5/5500 card > > > > and GPL's a little deep for my friends. > > > > > > > > So, what are some alternative on-line racing sims that are > > > > a little less "twitchy" than GPL? NFS/PU is a nice mix of > > > > challenge and approachability. I'm wondering about SCGT, but > > > > I'd like to hear of other candidates. > > > > > > > > EA has the right to treat their customers with contempt. > > > > I'm particularly interested on non-EA titles. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > > > > >

Cool. Thanks! -Larry "Jim Seamus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Du7S7.1863$[email hidden]... > > The GPL "F2" cars are the "Advanced Trainer" cars. Less power and lessgrip > than the GPL F1 cars, which (IMO) makes for much more interesting online > racing - drivers stick closer together and overtaking is easier. > > Have a read of this -> http://jc.simracing.dk/guide/guide.htm and thencheck

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> out the vrocf2 yahoo group for details of well-attended online racing on > Saturday afternoons and (usually) several evenings each week as well. > > Have fun > > Jim > > > "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:WZ5S7.18300$[email hidden]... > > What does "F2 Racing in GPL" mean ? > > > > Thanks :) > > > > -Larry > > > > "Kirk House" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:3c18ea60$0$339$[email hidden]... > > > You might want to look into F2 racing in GPL. Same great physics

model > > but > > > the engines are more like something you'd find in a souped up streetcar

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> > and > > > the racing is much closer. BTW, the V5 should work great in GPL just > make > > > sure you have Glide picked in the options menu and you have all the > latest > > > patches. www.papy.com > > > > > > > > > "Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Two weeks ago my friends and I started racing NFS/Porsche > > > > Unleashed on line. > > > > > > > > This is the first time I've been on line with any software, > > > > and we had a great time. > > > > > > > > EA has decided to take down the NFS/PU servers on January > > > > 8th, for no purpose other than to screw over their customers > > > > from what I can see. Break Porsche Unleashed in order to > > > > pressure owners of that software to buy their new video game, > > > > Motor City Online. > > > > > > > > Anyway, we're going to need to find a new on-line sim. > > > > > > > > I know GPL has an active on-line community, but I haven't > > > > been able to get that working with my new Voodoo 5/5500 card > > > > and GPL's a little deep for my friends. > > > > > > > > So, what are some alternative on-line racing sims that are > > > > a little less "twitchy" than GPL? NFS/PU is a nice mix of > > > > challenge and approachability. I'm wondering about SCGT, but > > > > I'd like to hear of other candidates. > > > > > > > > EA has the right to treat their customers with contempt. > > > > I'm particularly interested on non-EA titles. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > > > > >

4 to MAYBE 5 players with broadband seems to work fine. I've only tested three tho...with the right data transfer settings it worked very well, but the small # of cars possible before it really dragged didn't make it worthwhile pursuing as an online sim. There is a SCGT based Touring Car league that races online, but they only run 4 cars per session and then combine the results. Not good. dave henrie "Klinn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qkoS7.3392$[email hidden]... > "Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote ... > > Nobody picked up on my mention of SCGT. Is this > > not a good candidate for on line racing? > > IIRC from back when SCGT was released, it did not work well for onlineplay - it became a > slideshow even with just a few players. It performed OK over a LAN though,great fun. > > ...Klinn > > >