Nascar for Dummies

Holy crap I can't believe the Papy is putting out a PATCH for N4 and charging for it........Oh add some cheesy driving instruction by DW .....that's worth another 50 bucks or so.....Played both versions back to back.....besides a frame rate hit....what's the difference. Hey Papy...like the subject says...change the name from N2002 to Nascar for Dummies...and package it in one of those annoying pukey yellow boxes like the books.....

I think the underlying costs, mainly licensing, is probably the most driving force behind the need to sell NR2002 as a separate package. No, I don't like it either. It's obviously an updated N4, but I think I understand why things are they way they are. Maybe not. Who knows :) -Larry "BeBeBeelzebub" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:srlY7.420392$[email hidden]... > Holy crap I can't believe the Papy is putting out a PATCH for N4 andcharging > for it........Oh add some cheesy driving instruction by DW .....that'sworth > another 50 bucks or so.....Played both versions back to back.....besides a > frame rate hit....what's the difference. > Hey Papy...like the subject says...change the name from N2002 to Nascarfor > Dummies...and package it in one of those annoying pukey yellow boxes likethe > books..... >

exactly,, N2002 to me is a dumbed down version of N4, the cars seem easier to drive,, and the menu screen graphics and button clicks are just like Heat... NASCAR4 + Heat patch=NASCAR 2002 but I will say the engine sounds are much improved..(in the replays it sounds almost like a real live race,, amazing, they got that gurgle sound in engine almost perfect) but the cars seem a lot tigher then in N4, even with N4 setups,, these cars push wayyy more.. On Tue, 01 Jan 2002 16:27:04 GMT, [email hidden] (BeBeBeelzebub) wrote:

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>Holy crap I can't believe the Papy is putting out a PATCH for N4 and charging >for it........Oh add some cheesy driving instruction by DW .....that's worth >another 50 bucks or so.....Played both versions back to back.....besides a >frame rate hit....what's the difference. >Hey Papy...like the subject says...change the name from N2002 to Nascar for >Dummies...and package it in one of those annoying pukey yellow boxes like the >books..... >

Ya but the license is already paid on N4 ...they can patch the hell outta that game and not pay out any more cash....Is there more in this game that they are licensing....besides paying DW....Hell drop that nonsense and release this as a patch to N4....It is not an updated N4...just a patched N4.... N2 to N3 big difference.....N3 to N4 huge difference.....N4 to N2002...fisted by Papy.....If they really want our money, release this as a track pack/patch for N4...That way we are all on the same page when it comes to online racing...Now some guys will be N2002....some like me will just stay with N4.. In article <rKlY7.17224$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> >I think the underlying costs, mainly licensing, is probably the most driving >force behind the need to sell NR2002 as a separate package. > >No, I don't like it either. It's obviously an updated N4, but I think I >understand why things are they way they are. > >Maybe not. Who knows :) > >-Larry > >"BeBeBeelzebub" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:srlY7.420392$[email hidden]... >> Holy crap I can't believe the Papy is putting out a PATCH for N4 and >charging >> for it........Oh add some cheesy driving instruction by DW .....that's >worth >> another 50 bucks or so.....Played both versions back to back.....besides a >> frame rate hit....what's the difference. >> Hey Papy...like the subject says...change the name from N2002 to Nascar >for >> Dummies...and package it in one of those annoying pukey yellow boxes like >the >> books..... >> > >

"BeBeBeelzebub" wrote... > Holy crap <snip> > change the name from N2002 to Nascar for Dummies...and package > it in one of those annoying pukey yellow boxes like the books. There already is a Nascar for Dummies book, by Mark Martin +ghostwriter. Pretty good actually. Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.

If they fix the idiotic AI, that may be worth the price of admission. I tried running a 50% race at Richmond against a full field of AI cars... guess what happened: when the AI cars reached their pit window, all hell broke loose. It seems that they pit regardless of the position of other cars around them. Other problem: I pitted before all this happened so I was a lap down when the yellow came out. I thought the patch had taken care of the problem. As is, it's still unraceable offline when doing race longer than 35%... BeBeBeelzebub wrote:

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> > Holy crap I can't believe the Papy is putting out a PATCH for N4 and charging > for it........Oh add some cheesy driving instruction by DW .....that's worth > another 50 bucks or so.....Played both versions back to back.....besides a > frame rate hit....what's the difference. > Hey Papy...like the subject says...change the name from N2002 to Nascar for > Dummies...and package it in one of those annoying pukey yellow boxes like the > books.....

-- Philippe "Philster" Sergerie

Patched and updated are the same thing.... -Stuart Becktell "BeBeBeelzebub" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:o_mY7.116304$[email hidden]... > Ya but the license is already paid on N4 ...they can patch the hell outtathat > game and not pay out any more cash....Is there more in this game that theyare > licensing....besides paying DW....Hell drop that nonsense and release thisas > a patch to N4....It is not an updated N4...just a patched N4.... > N2 to N3 big difference.....N3 to N4 huge difference.....N4 toN2002...fisted > by Papy.....If they really want our money, release this as a trackpack/patch > for N4...That way we are all on the same page when it comes to online > racing...Now some guys will be N2002....some like me will just stay withN4.. > In article <rKlY7.17224$[email hidden]>,[email hidden] > says... > > > >I think the underlying costs, mainly licensing, is probably the mostdriving

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> >force behind the need to sell NR2002 as a separate package. > > > >No, I don't like it either. It's obviously an updated N4, but I think I > >understand why things are they way they are. > > > >Maybe not. Who knows :) > > > >-Larry > > > >"BeBeBeelzebub" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:srlY7.420392$[email hidden]... > >> Holy crap I can't believe the Papy is putting out a PATCH for N4 and > >charging > >> for it........Oh add some cheesy driving instruction by DW .....that's > >worth > >> another 50 bucks or so.....Played both versions back to

back.....besides a > >> frame rate hit....what's the difference. > >> Hey Papy...like the subject says...change the name from N2002 to Nascar > >for > >> Dummies...and package it in one of those annoying pukey yellow boxeslike > >the > >> books..... > >> > > > > >

In all of my experience's patch's are normally bug fix's where updates are usually program change's or addition's. "Stuart Becktell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bJCY7.61784$[email hidden]... > Patched and updated are the same thing.... > -Stuart Becktell > "BeBeBeelzebub" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:o_mY7.116304$[email hidden]... > > Ya but the license is already paid on N4 ...they can patch the helloutta > that > > game and not pay out any more cash....Is there more in this game thatthey > are > > licensing....besides paying DW....Hell drop that nonsense and releasethis

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> as > > a patch to N4....It is not an updated N4...just a patched N4.... > > N2 to N3 big difference.....N3 to N4 huge difference.....N4 to > N2002...fisted > > by Papy.....If they really want our money, release this as a track > pack/patch > > for N4...That way we are all on the same page when it comes to online > > racing...Now some guys will be N2002....some like me will just stay with > N4.. > > In article <rKlY7.17224$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] > > says... > > > > > >I think the underlying costs, mainly licensing, is probably the most > driving > > >force behind the need to sell NR2002 as a separate package. > > > > > >No, I don't like it either. It's obviously an updated N4, but I think

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> > >understand why things are they way they are. > > > > > >Maybe not. Who knows :) > > > > > >-Larry > > > > > >"BeBeBeelzebub" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >news:srlY7.420392$[email hidden]... > > >> Holy crap I can't believe the Papy is putting out a PATCH for N4 and > > >charging > > >> for it........Oh add some cheesy driving instruction by DW

.....that's > > >worth > > >> another 50 bucks or so.....Played both versions back to > back.....besides a > > >> frame rate hit....what's the difference. > > >> Hey Papy...like the subject says...change the name from N2002 toNascar

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> > >for > > >> Dummies...and package it in one of those annoying pukey yellow boxes > like > > >the > > >> books..... > > >> > > > > > > > > > >

It might be a yearly license. Who knows? -Larry "BeBeBeelzebub" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:o_mY7.116304$[email hidden]... > Ya but the license is already paid on N4 ...they can patch the hell outtathat > game and not pay out any more cash....Is there more in this game that theyare > licensing....besides paying DW....Hell drop that nonsense and release thisas > a patch to N4....It is not an updated N4...just a patched N4.... > N2 to N3 big difference.....N3 to N4 huge difference.....N4 toN2002...fisted > by Papy.....If they really want our money, release this as a trackpack/patch > for N4...That way we are all on the same page when it comes to online > racing...Now some guys will be N2002....some like me will just stay withN4.. > In article <rKlY7.17224$[email hidden]>,[email hidden] > says... > > > >I think the underlying costs, mainly licensing, is probably the mostdriving

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> >force behind the need to sell NR2002 as a separate package. > > > >No, I don't like it either. It's obviously an updated N4, but I think I > >understand why things are they way they are. > > > >Maybe not. Who knows :) > > > >-Larry > > > >"BeBeBeelzebub" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:srlY7.420392$[email hidden]... > >> Holy crap I can't believe the Papy is putting out a PATCH for N4 and > >charging > >> for it........Oh add some cheesy driving instruction by DW .....that's > >worth > >> another 50 bucks or so.....Played both versions back to

back.....besides a > >> frame rate hit....what's the difference. > >> Hey Papy...like the subject says...change the name from N2002 to Nascar > >for > >> Dummies...and package it in one of those annoying pukey yellow boxeslike > >the > >> books..... > >> > > > > >

Guess you've never played a sierra product... "WingNut" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3HEY7.16628$[email hidden]...

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> In all of my experience's patch's are normally bug fix's where updates are > usually program change's or addition's. > > "Stuart Becktell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bJCY7.61784$[email hidden]... > > Patched and updated are the same thing.... > > -Stuart Becktell > > "BeBeBeelzebub" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:o_mY7.116304$[email hidden]... > > > Ya but the license is already paid on N4 ...they can patch the hell > outta > > that > > > game and not pay out any more cash....Is there more in this game that > they > > are > > > licensing....besides paying DW....Hell drop that nonsense and release > this > > as > > > a patch to N4....It is not an updated N4...just a patched N4.... > > > N2 to N3 big difference.....N3 to N4 huge difference.....N4 to > > N2002...fisted > > > by Papy.....If they really want our money, release this as a track > > pack/patch > > > for N4...That way we are all on the same page when it comes to online > > > racing...Now some guys will be N2002....some like me will just stay

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> > N4.. > > > In article <rKlY7.17224$[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] > > > says... > > > > > > > >I think the underlying costs, mainly licensing, is probably the most > > driving > > > >force behind the need to sell NR2002 as a separate package. > > > > > > > >No, I don't like it either. It's obviously an updated N4, but I

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> I > > > >understand why things are they way they are. > > > > > > > >Maybe not. Who knows :) > > > > > > > >-Larry > > > > > > > >"BeBeBeelzebub" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > >news:srlY7.420392$[email hidden]... > > > >> Holy crap I can't believe the Papy is putting out a PATCH for N4

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> > > >charging > > > >> for it........Oh add some cheesy driving instruction by DW > .....that's > > > >worth > > > >> another 50 bucks or so.....Played both versions back to > > back.....besides a > > > >> frame rate hit....what's the difference. > > > >> Hey Papy...like the subject says...change the name from N2002 to > Nascar > > > >for > > > >> Dummies...and package it in one of those annoying pukey yellow

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Aint it funny how quickly people forget... ? Nascar Racing 1999 anyone? How about Nascar Racing 3? Or the CTR and BGN packages.... Imho - NR2002 is no more - nor less than what they were.... -- ed_ "BeBeBeelzebub" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:srlY7.420392$[email hidden]... > Holy crap I can't believe the Papy is putting out a PATCH for N4 and charging > for it........Oh add some cheesy driving instruction by DW .....that's worth > another 50 bucks or so.....Played both versions back to back.....besides a > frame rate hit....what's the difference. > Hey Papy...like the subject says...change the name from N2002 to Nascar for > Dummies...and package it in one of those annoying pukey yellow boxes like the > books..... >

Yep, agreed. -John Ed Solheim <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iULY7.16893$[email hidden]...

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> Aint it funny how quickly people forget... ? > > Nascar Racing 1999 anyone? > How about Nascar Racing 3? > Or the CTR and BGN packages.... > > Imho - NR2002 is no more - nor less than what they were.... > > -- > ed_ > > "BeBeBeelzebub" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding > news:srlY7.420392$[email hidden]... > > Holy crap I can't believe the Papy is putting out a PATCH for N4 and > charging > > for it........Oh add some cheesy driving instruction by DW .....that's > worth > > another 50 bucks or so.....Played both versions back to back.....besides

a > > frame rate hit....what's the difference. > > Hey Papy...like the subject says...change the name from N2002 to Nascar > for > > Dummies...and package it in one of those annoying pukey yellow boxeslike > the > > books..... > > > >

But as I recall N1999 with 3 different leagues (WC, Busch, CTS) was offered for sale at a list price less than N2 or N50(Golden Anniversary box) Because it was just a minor repackaging...Here we have N2002, a worthy incremental improvement, but certainly not worth the Highest price Sierra has ever charged for a racing title. N4, certainly deserved a full price, it was a big leap over N3. But N2002 strikes me as waaaaay overpriced. dave henrie "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Yep, agreed. > > -John > > > Ed Solheim <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:iULY7.16893$[email hidden]... > > Aint it funny how quickly people forget... ? > > > > Nascar Racing 1999 anyone? > > How about Nascar Racing 3? > > Or the CTR and BGN packages.... > > > > Imho - NR2002 is no more - nor less than what they were.... > > > > -- > > ed_ > > > > "BeBeBeelzebub" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding > > news:srlY7.420392$[email hidden]... > > > Holy crap I can't believe the Papy is putting out a PATCH for N4 and > > charging > > > for it........Oh add some cheesy driving instruction by DW .....that's > > worth > > > another 50 bucks or so.....Played both versions back to

back.....besides > a > > > frame rate hit....what's the difference. > > > Hey Papy...like the subject says...change the name from N2002 toNascar

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> > for > > > Dummies...and package it in one of those annoying pukey yellow boxes > like > > the > > > books..... > > > > > > > > >

After re-reading the posts, I think I misunderstood some of them; agree with your statements Dave, I thought Ed's were the same, but now I think I was mistaken :) I'll probably end up getting it, but it's not worth $50, from what's seen.........so far. -John Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ng_Y7.248$[email hidden]... > But as I recall N1999 with 3 different leagues (WC, Busch, CTS) was > offered for sale at a list price less than N2 or N50(Golden Anniversarybox)

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> Because it was just a minor repackaging...Here we have N2002, a worthy > incremental improvement, but certainly not worth the Highest price Sierra > has ever charged for a racing title. N4, certainly deserved a full price, > it was a big leap over N3. But N2002 strikes me as waaaaay overpriced. > dave henrie > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Yep, agreed. > > > > -John > > > > > > Ed Solheim <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:iULY7.16893$[email hidden]... > > > Aint it funny how quickly people forget... ? > > > > > > Nascar Racing 1999 anyone? > > > How about Nascar Racing 3? > > > Or the CTR and BGN packages.... > > > > > > Imho - NR2002 is no more - nor less than what they were.... > > > > > > -- > > > ed_ > > > > > > "BeBeBeelzebub" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding > > > news:srlY7.420392$[email hidden]... > > > > Holy crap I can't believe the Papy is putting out a PATCH for N4 and > > > charging > > > > for it........Oh add some cheesy driving instruction by DW

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> > > worth > > > > another 50 bucks or so.....Played both versions back to > back.....besides > > a > > > > frame rate hit....what's the difference. > > > > Hey Papy...like the subject says...change the name from N2002 to > Nascar > > > for > > > > Dummies...and package it in one of those annoying pukey yellow boxes > > like > > > the > > > > books..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

My point is.... If you were willing to fork out $50 (or what ever) for N3 - why not N2002? If N2002 got what I think it got; - tweaked physics - new tracks - new paintjobs & drivers (for you offline guys :-) - "telemetry", - new and imporved soundsystem - better graphics - new POV incar - better AI - Jaws' driving-lessons *pluss* the new replay export filters - that sounds like a whole lot of fun for fifty bucks imho... I would also guess that N2002 would be improved in other areas too, such as multiplayer stuff and other "bugs".. Just my ? 0.02 ofcourse.... :-) -- ed_ "Life begins @ 7,000 rpm!" "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:[email hidden]... > After re-reading the posts, I think I misunderstood some of them; agree > with your statements Dave, I thought Ed's were the same, but now I think I > was mistaken :) > > I'll probably end up getting it, but it's not worth $50, from what's > seen.........so far. > > -John > > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Ng_Y7.248$[email hidden]... > > But as I recall N1999 with 3 different leagues (WC, Busch, CTS) was > > offered for sale at a list price less than N2 or N50(Golden Anniversary > box) > > Because it was just a minor repackaging...Here we have N2002, a worthy > > incremental improvement, but certainly not worth the Highest price Sierra > > has ever charged for a racing title. N4, certainly deserved a full price, > > it was a big leap over N3. But N2002 strikes me as waaaaay overpriced. > > dave henrie > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Yep, agreed. > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > Ed Solheim <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:iULY7.16893$[email hidden]... > > > > Aint it funny how quickly people forget... ? > > > > > > > > Nascar Racing 1999 anyone? > > > > How about Nascar Racing 3? > > > > Or the CTR and BGN packages.... > > > > > > > > Imho - NR2002 is no more - nor less than what they were.... > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ed_ > > > > > > > > "BeBeBeelzebub" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding > > > > news:srlY7.420392$[email hidden]... > > > > > Holy crap I can't believe the Papy is putting out a PATCH for N4 and > > > > charging > > > > > for it........Oh add some cheesy driving instruction by DW > .....that's > > > > worth > > > > > another 50 bucks or so.....Played both versions back to > > back.....besides > > > a > > > > > frame rate hit....what's the difference. > > > > > Hey Papy...like the subject says...change the name from N2002 to > > Nascar > > > > for > > > > > Dummies...and package it in one of those annoying pukey yellow boxes > > > like > > > > the > > > > > books..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Agreed. From my viewpoint, the $ isn't the issue, it's getting something for those $ other than a rehash. I wouldn't have for N3 either, but there's not much choice but to change if one wants to keep online racing(my choice of course, not being forced); all the servers, etc. do Sierra/Papy has to do what they think will make them $, nothing wrong with that of course. But from what I've seen, there isn't anything _worth_ $50 in N2002. Even Nr1999, which wasn't offered for full price, included _lots_ of new tracks, etc; so I have a hard time understanding why N2002 is being offered for full price. Two years later I guess. Should be a discount IMO; I realize a patch is wishful thinking<G> Having said that, I'll probably end up getting N2002........but not unless I have to per above :) Just one of those things; right and wrong views on both "sides" of the issue. -John Ed Solheim <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:N93Z7.17738$[email hidden]...

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> My point is.... > > If you were willing to fork out $50 (or what ever) for N3 - why not N2002? > If N2002 got what I think it got; > - tweaked physics > - new tracks > - new paintjobs & drivers (for you offline guys :-) > - "telemetry", > - new and imporved soundsystem > - better graphics > - new POV incar > - better AI > - Jaws' driving-lessons > *pluss* > the new replay export filters - that sounds like a whole lot of fun

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> fifty bucks imho... > > I would also guess that N2002 would be improved in other areas too, such > as multiplayer stuff and other "bugs".. > > Just my ? 0.02 ofcourse.... :-) > > > -- > ed_ > > "Life begins @ 7,000 rpm!" > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding > news:[email hidden]... > > After re-reading the posts, I think I misunderstood some of them;

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> > was mistaken :) > > > > I'll probably end up getting it, but it's not worth $50, from what's > > seen.........so far. > > > > -John > > > > > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Ng_Y7.248$[email hidden]... > > > But as I recall N1999 with 3 different leagues (WC, Busch, CTS) was > > > offered for sale at a list price less than N2 or N50(Golden

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> > > dave henrie > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Yep, agreed. > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > Ed Solheim <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:iULY7.16893$[email hidden]... > > > > > Aint it funny how quickly people forget... ? > > > > > > > > > > Nascar Racing 1999 anyone? > > > > > How about Nascar Racing 3? > > > > > Or the CTR and BGN packages.... > > > > > > > > > > Imho - NR2002 is no more - nor less than what they were.... > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > ed_ > > > > > > > > > > "BeBeBeelzebub" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding > > > > > news:srlY7.420392$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Holy crap I can't believe the Papy is putting out a PATCH for N4 > and > > > > > charging > > > > > > for it........Oh add some cheesy driving instruction by DW > > .....that's > > > > > worth > > > > > > another 50 bucks or so.....Played both versions back to > > > back.....besides > > > > a > > > > > > frame rate hit....what's the difference. > > > > > > Hey Papy...like the subject says...change the name from N2002 to > > > Nascar > > > > > for > > > > > > Dummies...and package it in one of those annoying pukey yellow > boxes > > > > like > > > > > the > > > > > > books..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I dunno. Take out the stuff that should be put into N4 via a patch, and I see a $19.95 update pack. I'll buy it. I won't like it, but I'll buy it. They know that, and in a way that's the most insulting part of the whole thing... -Larry "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:N93Z7.17738$[email hidden]...

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> My point is.... > > If you were willing to fork out $50 (or what ever) for N3 - why not N2002? > If N2002 got what I think it got; > - tweaked physics > - new tracks > - new paintjobs & drivers (for you offline guys :-) > - "telemetry", > - new and imporved soundsystem > - better graphics > - new POV incar > - better AI > - Jaws' driving-lessons > *pluss* > the new replay export filters - that sounds like a whole lot of fun

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> fifty bucks imho... > > I would also guess that N2002 would be improved in other areas too, such > as multiplayer stuff and other "bugs".. > > Just my ? 0.02 ofcourse.... :-) > > > -- > ed_ > > "Life begins @ 7,000 rpm!" > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding > news:[email hidden]... > > After re-reading the posts, I think I misunderstood some of them;

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> > was mistaken :) > > > > I'll probably end up getting it, but it's not worth $50, from what's > > seen.........so far. > > > > -John > > > > > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Ng_Y7.248$[email hidden]... > > > But as I recall N1999 with 3 different leagues (WC, Busch, CTS) was > > > offered for sale at a list price less than N2 or N50(Golden

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> > box) > > > Because it was just a minor repackaging...Here we have N2002, a worthy > > > incremental improvement, but certainly not worth the Highest price > Sierra > > > has ever charged for a racing title. N4, certainly deserved a full > price, > > > it was a big leap over N3. But N2002 strikes me as waaaaay

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> > > dave henrie > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Yep, agreed. > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > Ed Solheim <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:iULY7.16893$[email hidden]... > > > > > Aint it funny how quickly people forget... ? > > > > > > > > > > Nascar Racing 1999 anyone? > > > > > How about Nascar Racing 3? > > > > > Or the CTR and BGN packages.... > > > > > > > > > > Imho - NR2002 is no more - nor less than what they were.... > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > ed_ > > > > > > > > > > "BeBeBeelzebub" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding > > > > > news:srlY7.420392$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Holy crap I can't believe the Papy is putting out a PATCH for N4 > and > > > > > charging > > > > > > for it........Oh add some cheesy driving instruction by DW > > .....that's > > > > > worth > > > > > > another 50 bucks or so.....Played both versions back to > > > back.....besides > > > > a > > > > > > frame rate hit....what's the difference. > > > > > > Hey Papy...like the subject says...change the name from N2002 to > > > Nascar > > > > > for > > > > > > Dummies...and package it in one of those annoying pukey yellow > boxes > > > > like > > > > > the > > > > > > books..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:HX9Z7.36798$[email hidden]... > I dunno. Take out the stuff that should be put into N4 via a patch, and I > see a $19.95 update pack. So if we remove the AI and the tweaked physics (aswell as the bug fixes ofcourse) the rest is only worth $19.95? (A patch would/should only "have to" fix the problems or features that was supposed to be in it from the beginning..) > I'll buy it. I won't like it, but I'll buy it. ...but then again you guys are lucky... I'll probably end up paying another $10-20 just to get the dammed thing set over here... :-( Hopefully it be availible at a reduced price pretty quickly :-) -- ed_ > > -Larry > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:N93Z7.17738$[email hidden]... > > My point is.... > > > > If you were willing to fork out $50 (or what ever) for N3 - why not N2002? > > If N2002 got what I think it got; > > - tweaked physics > > - new tracks > > - new paintjobs & drivers (for you offline guys :-) > > - "telemetry", > > - new and imporved soundsystem > > - better graphics > > - new POV incar > > - better AI > > - Jaws' driving-lessons > > *pluss* > > the new replay export filters - that sounds like a whole lot of fun > for > > fifty bucks imho... > > > > I would also guess that N2002 would be improved in other areas too, such > > as multiplayer stuff and other "bugs".. > > > > Just my ? 0.02 ofcourse.... :-) > > > > > > -- > > ed_ > > > > "Life begins @ 7,000 rpm!" > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding > > news:[email hidden]... > > > After re-reading the posts, I think I misunderstood some of them; > agree > > > with your statements Dave, I thought Ed's were the same, but now I think > I > > > was mistaken :) > > > > > > I'll probably end up getting it, but it's not worth $50, from what's > > > seen.........so far. > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:Ng_Y7.248$[email hidden]... > > > > But as I recall N1999 with 3 different leagues (WC, Busch, CTS) was > > > > offered for sale at a list price less than N2 or N50(Golden > Anniversary > > > box) > > > > Because it was just a minor repackaging...Here we have N2002, a worthy > > > > incremental improvement, but certainly not worth the Highest price > > Sierra > > > > has ever charged for a racing title. N4, certainly deserved a full > > price, > > > > it was a big leap over N3. But N2002 strikes me as waaaaay > overpriced. > > > > dave henrie > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > Yep, agreed. > > > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ed Solheim <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:iULY7.16893$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Aint it funny how quickly people forget... ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nascar Racing 1999 anyone? > > > > > > How about Nascar Racing 3? > > > > > > Or the CTR and BGN packages.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Imho - NR2002 is no more - nor less than what they were.... > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ed_ > > > > > > > > > > > > "BeBeBeelzebub" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding > > > > > > news:srlY7.420392$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > Holy crap I can't believe the Papy is putting out a PATCH for N4 > > and > > > > > > charging > > > > > > > for it........Oh add some cheesy driving instruction by DW > > > .....that's > > > > > > worth > > > > > > > another 50 bucks or so.....Played both versions back to > > > > back.....besides > > > > > a > > > > > > > frame rate hit....what's the difference. > > > > > > > Hey Papy...like the subject says...change the name from N2002 to > > > > Nascar > > > > > > for > > > > > > > Dummies...and package it in one of those annoying pukey yellow > > boxes > > > > > like > > > > > > the > > > > > > > books..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Larry (The Other Larry) <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HX9Z7.36798$[email hidden]... > I dunno. Take out the stuff that should be put into N4 via a patch, and I > see a $19.95 update pack. > > I'll buy it. I won't like it, but I'll buy it. They know that, and in away > that's the most insulting part of the whole thing... > I really don't mean this as a flame, it is an honest question sparked of my own curiousity to understand this. If you don't like it, why buy it? Money talks louder than anything you could ever say here or anywhere else. Buying it just shows your approval of it as far as Sierra is concerned. -- - Will DeRivera - GPL Rank 103.93 - http://www.numic.net - http://www.luxt.com - Hi, I'm a sig virus. - Please add me to the end of your sig and help me take over the world.

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> "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding > news:HX9Z7.36798$[email hidden]... > > I dunno. Take out the stuff that should be put into N4 via a patch, and I > > see a $19.95 update pack. > > So if we remove the AI and the tweaked physics (aswell as the bug fixes > ofcourse) the rest is only worth $19.95? > > (A patch would/should only "have to" fix the problems or features that was > supposed to be in it from the beginning..) > > > I'll buy it. I won't like it, but I'll buy it. > > ...but then again you guys are lucky... I'll probably end up paying another > $10-20 just to get the dammed thing set over here... :-(

Sign me up for a copy as well, Mr N4 provider :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

IMHO, yes. There's nothing compelling, really. There's no Busch. There's no Trucks. No Busch or Truck tracks. No fantasy tracks. Nothing that really adds _substance_ to the game that warrants $50. Remember, in the days of the Track Packs, we only spent about $20 on them.. I'm trying to be relative here, not exact. -Larry "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mzaZ7.18157$[email hidden]... > > "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding > news:HX9Z7.36798$[email hidden]... > > I dunno. Take out the stuff that should be put into N4 via a patch, andI

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> > see a $19.95 update pack. > > So if we remove the AI and the tweaked physics (aswell as the bug fixes > ofcourse) the rest is only worth $19.95? > > (A patch would/should only "have to" fix the problems or features that was > supposed to be in it from the beginning..) > > > I'll buy it. I won't like it, but I'll buy it. > > ...but then again you guys are lucky... I'll probably end up paying

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> $10-20 just to get the dammed thing set over here... :-( > > Hopefully it be availible at a reduced price pretty quickly :-) > > -- > ed_ > > > > > > > -Larry > > > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:N93Z7.17738$[email hidden]... > > > My point is.... > > > > > > If you were willing to fork out $50 (or what ever) for N3 - why not > N2002? > > > If N2002 got what I think it got; > > > - tweaked physics > > > - new tracks > > > - new paintjobs & drivers (for you offline guys :-) > > > - "telemetry", > > > - new and imporved soundsystem > > > - better graphics > > > - new POV incar > > > - better AI > > > - Jaws' driving-lessons > > > *pluss* > > > the new replay export filters - that sounds like a whole lot of

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> > for > > > fifty bucks imho... > > > > > > I would also guess that N2002 would be improved in other areas too, > such > > > as multiplayer stuff and other "bugs".. > > > > > > Just my ? 0.02 ofcourse.... :-) > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ed_ > > > > > > "Life begins @ 7,000 rpm!" > > > > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > After re-reading the posts, I think I misunderstood some of them; > > agree > > > > with your statements Dave, I thought Ed's were the same, but now I > think > > I > > > > was mistaken :) > > > > > > > > I'll probably end up getting it, but it's not worth $50, from

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> > > > seen.........so far. > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:Ng_Y7.248$[email hidden]... > > > > > But as I recall N1999 with 3 different leagues (WC, Busch, CTS) > was > > > > > offered for sale at a list price less than N2 or N50(Golden > > Anniversary > > > > box) > > > > > Because it was just a minor repackaging...Here we have N2002, a > worthy > > > > > incremental improvement, but certainly not worth the Highest price > > > Sierra > > > > > has ever charged for a racing title. N4, certainly deserved a

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> > > price, > > > > > it was a big leap over N3. But N2002 strikes me as waaaaay > > overpriced. > > > > > dave henrie > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Yep, agreed. > > > > > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ed Solheim <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:iULY7.16893$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > Aint it funny how quickly people forget... ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nascar Racing 1999 anyone? > > > > > > > How about Nascar Racing 3? > > > > > > > Or the CTR and BGN packages.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Imho - NR2002 is no more - nor less than what they were.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > ed_ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "BeBeBeelzebub" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding > > > > > > > news:srlY7.420392$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > Holy crap I can't believe the Papy is putting out a PATCH

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> N4 > > > and > > > > > > > charging > > > > > > > > for it........Oh add some cheesy driving instruction by DW > > > > .....that's > > > > > > > worth > > > > > > > > another 50 bucks or so.....Played both versions back to > > > > > back.....besides > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > frame rate hit....what's the difference. > > > > > > > > Hey Papy...like the subject says...change the name from

N2002 > to > > > > > Nascar > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > Dummies...and package it in one of those annoying pukeyyellow

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There IS one fantasy track... a 3 mile super oval. Now what would you use that for????? :) dave henrie "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:shkZ7.39408$[email hidden]... > IMHO, yes. > > There's nothing compelling, really. There's no Busch. There's no Trucks. > No Busch or Truck tracks. No fantasy tracks.

"Dave Henrie" wrote: > There IS one fantasy track... > a 3 mile super oval. Now what would you use that for????? :) Seriously Dave? - If so please tell me more. -- ed_

In article <zfGZ7.19883$[email hidden]>, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> writes: >"Dave Henrie" wrote: >> There IS one fantasy track... >> a 3 mile super oval. Now what would you use that for????? :) > >Seriously Dave? >- If so please tell me more. Grenzlandring... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Really? That could be a blast :) -Larry "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vovZ7.4644$Sf2.38622@rwcrnsc52...

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> There IS one fantasy track... > a 3 mile super oval. Now what would you use that for????? :) > dave henrie > "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:shkZ7.39408$[email hidden]... > > IMHO, yes. > > > > There's nothing compelling, really. There's no Busch. There's no

Trucks. > > No Busch or Truck tracks. No fantasy tracks. > >

Probably will be the #1 track up on WON :) -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <zfGZ7.19883$[email hidden]>, "Ed Solheim" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >"Dave Henrie" wrote: > >> There IS one fantasy track... > >> a 3 mile super oval. Now what would you use that for????? :) > > > >Seriously Dave? > >- If so please tell me more. > > Grenzlandring... > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <unHZ7.10982$[email hidden]>, "Larry \(The Other Larry\)" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Probably will be the #1 track up on WON :) > >-Larry > >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> In article <zfGZ7.19883$[email hidden]>, "Ed Solheim" >> <[email hidden]> writes: >> >> >"Dave Henrie" wrote: >> >> There IS one fantasy track... >> >> a 3 mile super oval. Now what would you use that for????? :) >> > >> >Seriously Dave? >> >- If so please tell me more. >> >> Grenzlandring...

You know what? I didn't read the subject line... I was thinking GPL...<blushes> Sorry 'bout that. It would be cool if Noonan could convert it, though. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.