Nascar 2002 Demo

Tried the Nascar 2002 demo... Here were my first observations: 1) No Force Feedback (I use Logitech Wingman Formula Force). I tried many things but no luck. 2) Slower framerate (than N4) 3) Colours looked faded compared to N4 (ran N4 right after and the colors looked brilliant) 4) The driving seemed just a tad easier (but that may have been only initial impressions however). Now these could be all demo issues... but so far have no great desire to purchase 2002 until I find out more about these items. cheers ...Rico

DUH ................. it's a demo!! Rick Clyde wrote:

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> Tried the Nascar 2002 demo... > > Here were my first observations: > 1) No Force Feedback (I use Logitech Wingman Formula Force). I tried many > things but no luck. > 2) Slower framerate (than N4) > 3) Colours looked faded compared to N4 (ran N4 right after and the colors > looked brilliant) > 4) The driving seemed just a tad easier (but that may have been only initial > impressions however). > > Now these could be all demo issues... but so far have no great desire to > purchase 2002 until I find out more about these items. > > cheers ...Rico

NR2002=N4 patch + $45 Rick Clyde wrote:

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> Tried the Nascar 2002 demo... > > Here were my first observations: > 1) No Force Feedback (I use Logitech Wingman Formula Force). I tried many > things but no luck. > 2) Slower framerate (than N4) > 3) Colours looked faded compared to N4 (ran N4 right after and the colors > looked brilliant) > 4) The driving seemed just a tad easier (but that may have been only initial > impressions however). > > Now these could be all demo issues... but so far have no great desire to > purchase 2002 until I find out more about these items. > > cheers ...Rico > > > > >

Some of you are so stupid!! Did you write the code for any of these?? NO!! How do you know it's a patch?? You don't!! also it's 49.99 try to get some of your facts straight. Destroy wrote:

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> NR2002=N4 patch + $45 > > Rick Clyde wrote: > > > Tried the Nascar 2002 demo... > > > > Here were my first observations: > > 1) No Force Feedback (I use Logitech Wingman Formula Force). I tried many > > things but no luck. > > 2) Slower framerate (than N4) > > 3) Colours looked faded compared to N4 (ran N4 right after and the colors > > looked brilliant) > > 4) The driving seemed just a tad easier (but that may have been only initial > > impressions however). > > > > Now these could be all demo issues... but so far have no great desire to > > purchase 2002 until I find out more about these items. > > > > cheers ...Rico > > > > > > > > > >

If you play the demo and read a couple articles about what they put in N2002 then even you will see that it is nothing but a minor update to N4. Not worth the money. I'll wait a month and pick it up for $15. Although I do still have a $30 gift card from Xmas so I could use that in a month and then pay what it's really worth! $5.00 Vintook "WilburJr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Some of you are so stupid!! Did you write the code for any of these?? NO!!How do > you know it's a patch?? You don't!! also it's 49.99 try to get some ofyour facts

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> straight. > > > Destroy wrote: > > > NR2002=N4 patch + $45 > > > > Rick Clyde wrote: > > > > > Tried the Nascar 2002 demo... > > > > > > Here were my first observations: > > > 1) No Force Feedback (I use Logitech Wingman Formula Force). I tried

many > > > things but no luck. > > > 2) Slower framerate (than N4) > > > 3) Colours looked faded compared to N4 (ran N4 right after and thecolors > > > looked brilliant) > > > 4) The driving seemed just a tad easier (but that may have been onlyinitial > > > impressions however). > > > > > > Now these could be all demo issues... but so far have no great desireto

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> > > purchase 2002 until I find out more about these items. > > > > > > cheers ...Rico > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

In article <[email hidden]>, WilburJr <[email hidden]> writes:

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>DUH ................. it's a demo!! > >Rick Clyde wrote: > >> Tried the Nascar 2002 demo... >> >> Here were my first observations: >> 1) No Force Feedback (I use Logitech Wingman Formula Force). I tried many >> things but no luck. >> 2) Slower framerate (than N4) >> 3) Colours looked faded compared to N4 (ran N4 right after and the colors >> looked brilliant) >> 4) The driving seemed just a tad easier (but that may have been only >initial >> impressions however). >> >> Now these could be all demo issues... but so far have no great desire to >> purchase 2002 until I find out more about these items.

...Which is supposed to show what the game is CAPABLE of...DUH... Why the attitude? Rick even *allowed* for the fact that there might only be problems in the demo. If the demo sucked in your opinion(not saying it does) would you be all fired up to buy the retail version? What's the point of having a demo at ALL if it doesn't do a good job of showing how the full game will run? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, WilburJr <[email hidden]>writes:

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> > >DUH ................. it's a demo!! > > > >Rick Clyde wrote: > > > >> Tried the Nascar 2002 demo... > >> > >> Here were my first observations: > >> 1) No Force Feedback (I use Logitech Wingman Formula Force). I tried

many > >> things but no luck. > >> 2) Slower framerate (than N4) > >> 3) Colours looked faded compared to N4 (ran N4 right after and thecolors > >> looked brilliant) > >> 4) The driving seemed just a tad easier (but that may have been only > >initial > >> impressions however). > >> > >> Now these could be all demo issues... but so far have no great desireto > >> purchase 2002 until I find out more about these items. > > ...Which is supposed to show what the game is CAPABLE of...DUH... Why the > attitude? Rick even *allowed* for the fact that there might only beproblems > in the demo. If the demo sucked in your opinion(not saying it does) wouldyou > be all fired up to buy the retail version? What's the point of having ademo > at ALL if it doesn't do a good job of showing how the full game will run? > I would have to agree with that, many game purchase decisions are made on the impression left by the demo. I rarely buy a game unless it offers a demo, or if it is just so dang good you read the raves about it everywhere. And if the demo turns me off, I don't buy it. Don Burnette

Geeze, those guys at Papy doesn't owe you a chicken shit - if they upgrade an already brilliant piece of software - so what - if you think it's a rip off - don't buy it then.... I sure will - they don't owe me anything - I've got my every cents from any release from them... I just don't get it.... Magnus Vintook skrev i meddelandet ... >If you play the demo and read a couple articles about what they put inN2002 >then even you will see that it is nothing but a minor update to N4. Not >worth the money. I'll wait a month and pick it up for $15. Although I do >still have a $30 gift card from Xmas so I could use that in a month andthen

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>pay what it's really worth! $5.00 > >Vintook > >"WilburJr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Some of you are so stupid!! Did you write the code for any of these??

NO!!

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>How do >> you know it's a patch?? You don't!! also it's 49.99 try to get some of >your facts >> straight. >> >> >> Destroy wrote: >> >> > NR2002=N4 patch + $45 >> > >> > Rick Clyde wrote: >> > >> > > Tried the Nascar 2002 demo... >> > > >> > > Here were my first observations: >> > > 1) No Force Feedback (I use Logitech Wingman Formula Force). I tried >many >> > > things but no luck. >> > > 2) Slower framerate (than N4) >> > > 3) Colours looked faded compared to N4 (ran N4 right after and the >colors >> > > looked brilliant) >> > > 4) The driving seemed just a tad easier (but that may have been only >initial >> > > impressions however). >> > > >> > > Now these could be all demo issues... but so far have no great desire >to >> > > purchase 2002 until I find out more about these items. >> > > >> > > cheers ...Rico >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >

I think the demo is not really meant for hardcore racers. Thats more to attract new customers. Most people don't pick apart games or simulations the way they are here. We are a very small group compared to what is sold all over the world. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, WilburJr <[email hidden]>writes:

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> > >DUH ................. it's a demo!! > > > >Rick Clyde wrote: > > > >> Tried the Nascar 2002 demo... > >> > >> Here were my first observations: > >> 1) No Force Feedback (I use Logitech Wingman Formula Force). I tried

many > >> things but no luck. > >> 2) Slower framerate (than N4) > >> 3) Colours looked faded compared to N4 (ran N4 right after and thecolors > >> looked brilliant) > >> 4) The driving seemed just a tad easier (but that may have been only > >initial > >> impressions however). > >> > >> Now these could be all demo issues... but so far have no great desireto > >> purchase 2002 until I find out more about these items. > > ...Which is supposed to show what the game is CAPABLE of...DUH... Why the > attitude? Rick even *allowed* for the fact that there might only beproblems > in the demo. If the demo sucked in your opinion(not saying it does) wouldyou > be all fired up to buy the retail version? What's the point of having ademo

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> at ALL if it doesn't do a good job of showing how the full game will run? > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I'll second that. Best $50 you can spend on a years entertainment. "Badlands" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XyZ68.7731$[email hidden]... > Geeze, those guys at Papy doesn't owe you a chicken shit - if they upgrade > an already brilliant piece of software - so what - if you think it's a rip > off - don't buy it then.... > > I sure will - they don't owe me anything - I've got my every cents fromany

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> release from them... > > I just don't get it.... > > Magnus > > > Vintook skrev i meddelandet ... > >If you play the demo and read a couple articles about what they put in > N2002 > >then even you will see that it is nothing but a minor update to N4. Not > >worth the money. I'll wait a month and pick it up for $15. Although I do > >still have a $30 gift card from Xmas so I could use that in a month and > then > >pay what it's really worth! $5.00 > > > >Vintook > > > >"WilburJr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> Some of you are so stupid!! Did you write the code for any of these?? > NO!! > >How do > >> you know it's a patch?? You don't!! also it's 49.99 try to get some of > >your facts > >> straight. > >> > >> > >> Destroy wrote: > >> > >> > NR2002=N4 patch + $45 > >> > > >> > Rick Clyde wrote: > >> > > >> > > Tried the Nascar 2002 demo... > >> > > > >> > > Here were my first observations: > >> > > 1) No Force Feedback (I use Logitech Wingman Formula Force). I

tried

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> >many > >> > > things but no luck. > >> > > 2) Slower framerate (than N4) > >> > > 3) Colours looked faded compared to N4 (ran N4 right after and the > >colors > >> > > looked brilliant) > >> > > 4) The driving seemed just a tad easier (but that may have been

only > >initial > >> > > impressions however). > >> > > > >> > > Now these could be all demo issues... but so far have no greatdesire

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> >to > >> > > purchase 2002 until I find out more about these items. > >> > > > >> > > cheers ...Rico > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >

I don't know why you think it should be a free patch, I see many sports games, almost all actually that are basically the same game with updated roster and a few changes selling for full price. I never here people complaining about that. -- Kevin Anderson [email hidden] "Destroy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > NR2002=N4 patch + $45 > > Rick Clyde wrote: > > > Tried the Nascar 2002 demo... > > > > Here were my first observations: > > 1) No Force Feedback (I use Logitech Wingman Formula Force). I tried many > > things but no luck. > > 2) Slower framerate (than N4) > > 3) Colours looked faded compared to N4 (ran N4 right after and the colors > > looked brilliant) > > 4) The driving seemed just a tad easier (but that may have been only initial > > impressions however). > > > > Now these could be all demo issues... but so far have no great desire to > > purchase 2002 until I find out more about these items. > > > > cheers ...Rico > > > > > > > > > > >

Sorry... forgot why I stopped coming to this newsgroup... thanks for reminding me. cheers... Rico "WilburJr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> DUH ................. it's a demo!! > > Rick Clyde wrote: > > > Tried the Nascar 2002 demo... > > > > Here were my first observations: > > 1) No Force Feedback (I use Logitech Wingman Formula Force). I tried

many > > things but no luck. > > 2) Slower framerate (than N4) > > 3) Colours looked faded compared to N4 (ran N4 right after and thecolors > > looked brilliant) > > 4) The driving seemed just a tad easier (but that may have been onlyinitial

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> > impressions however). > > > > Now these could be all demo issues... but so far have no great desire to > > purchase 2002 until I find out more about these items. > > > > cheers ...Rico >

Yeah, yeah, yeah.............. you tell us that!! I've been buying Papy NASCAR sims since day 1 and to this date have yet to be disappointed. The only disappointment I've had is when TEN was done away with. You might want to read more, because there is more to NC2002 then just an update. you guys who dislike NASCAR racing so bad should start writing a new racing sim program then we can pick your stuff to death. Vintook wrote:

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> If you play the demo and read a couple articles about what they put in N2002 > then even you will see that it is nothing but a minor update to N4. Not > worth the money. I'll wait a month and pick it up for $15. Although I do > still have a $30 gift card from Xmas so I could use that in a month and then > pay what it's really worth! $5.00 > > Vintook > > "WilburJr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Some of you are so stupid!! Did you write the code for any of these?? NO!! > How do > > you know it's a patch?? You don't!! also it's 49.99 try to get some of > your facts > > straight. > > > > > > Destroy wrote: > > > > > NR2002=N4 patch + $45 > > > > > > Rick Clyde wrote: > > > > > > > Tried the Nascar 2002 demo... > > > > > > > > Here were my first observations: > > > > 1) No Force Feedback (I use Logitech Wingman Formula Force). I tried > many > > > > things but no luck. > > > > 2) Slower framerate (than N4) > > > > 3) Colours looked faded compared to N4 (ran N4 right after and the > colors > > > > looked brilliant) > > > > 4) The driving seemed just a tad easier (but that may have been only > initial > > > > impressions however). > > > > > > > > Now these could be all demo issues... but so far have no great desire > to > > > > purchase 2002 until I find out more about these items. > > > > > > > > cheers ...Rico > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

You think the whining is bad now, just wait till someone posts the readme.txt file from the new version. Many of you (and I'm not including wilbur in this rant) talk a good game about refusing to buy NR2k2 because of the perceived lack of features, but you're just a bunch of whiners looking for attention. You'll be there right behind us "early adopters" because you wanna race with the big boys (and the big boys will be buying this new version - believe it). Complaining about an early demo is one of the most insanely stupid things you could possibly do. IT'S JUST A DEMO. Even more important, the lead time to produce a demo is so significant that the code used for said demo is probaby many generations old when compared to what we'll finally get in the retail copy. So complaining about stuff that may or may not even be in the final version is beyond moronic. There's only a week and a half before the game hits the shelves, so let's just sit back and wait to see what happens. (If it were me, I'd learn to get REAL cozy with Direct3D). In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> Yeah, yeah, yeah.............. you tell us that!! I've been buying Papy NASCAR > sims since day 1 and to this date have yet to be disappointed. The only > disappointment I've had is when TEN was done away with. You might want to read > more, because there is more to NC2002 then just an update. you guys who dislike > NASCAR racing so bad should start writing a new racing sim program then we can > pick your stuff to death. > > Vintook wrote: > > > If you play the demo and read a couple articles about what they put in N2002 > > then even you will see that it is nothing but a minor update to N4. Not > > worth the money. I'll wait a month and pick it up for $15. Although I do > > still have a $30 gift card from Xmas so I could use that in a month and then > > pay what it's really worth! $5.00 > > > > Vintook > >

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"Rick Clyde" wrote ... | Sorry... forgot why I stopped coming to this newsgroup... thanks for | reminding me. Rick, I used to avoid all places with idiots, then realized I was trapped in my house. Stick around, I may need your help on something ;-)

In article <[email hidden]>, WilburJr <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Yeah, yeah, yeah.............. you tell us that!! I've been buying Papy >NASCAR >sims since day 1 and to this date have yet to be disappointed. The only >disappointment I've had is when TEN was done away with. You might want to >read >more, because there is more to NC2002 then just an update. you guys who >dislike >NASCAR racing so bad should start writing a new racing sim program then we >can >pick your stuff to death.

I don't think anyone said they dislike it. They're just burnt out on it, IMO. Market saturation - too many Nascar games, and not enough other series. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <S1178.59410$[email hidden]>, "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> writes: >I don't know why you think it should be a free patch, I see many sports >games, almost all actually that are basically the same game with updated >roster and a few changes selling for full price. I never here people >complaining about that. Maybe they just don't buy them? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

As I stated, I have a $30 gift card for Wal-Mart laying around so I'll probably use that to get it the day it comes out. Then I'll really only be paying what I feel it's worth.... about $15-$20. I don't think it's really worth the $45-$50 since I already own at least half of it now (N4). I like what they are doing and glad that it's coming out, just a little too steep of a price for those of us that already have N4. They should give us a %50 discount or something for being long time costomers. Vintook "WilburJr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Yeah, yeah, yeah.............. you tell us that!! I've been buying PapyNASCAR > sims since day 1 and to this date have yet to be disappointed. The only > disappointment I've had is when TEN was done away with. You might want toread > more, because there is more to NC2002 then just an update. you guys whodislike > NASCAR racing so bad should start writing a new racing sim program then wecan > pick your stuff to death. > > Vintook wrote: > > > If you play the demo and read a couple articles about what they put inN2002 > > then even you will see that it is nothing but a minor update to N4. Not > > worth the money. I'll wait a month and pick it up for $15. Although I do > > still have a $30 gift card from Xmas so I could use that in a month andthen

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> > pay what it's really worth! $5.00 > > > > Vintook > > > > "WilburJr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Some of you are so stupid!! Did you write the code for any of these??

NO!!

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> > How do > > > you know it's a patch?? You don't!! also it's 49.99 try to get some of > > your facts > > > straight. > > > > > > > > > Destroy wrote: > > > > > > > NR2002=N4 patch + $45 > > > > > > > > Rick Clyde wrote: > > > > > > > > > Tried the Nascar 2002 demo... > > > > > > > > > > Here were my first observations: > > > > > 1) No Force Feedback (I use Logitech Wingman Formula Force). I

tried

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> > many > > > > > things but no luck. > > > > > 2) Slower framerate (than N4) > > > > > 3) Colours looked faded compared to N4 (ran N4 right after and the > > colors > > > > > looked brilliant) > > > > > 4) The driving seemed just a tad easier (but that may have been

only > > initial > > > > > impressions however). > > > > > > > > > > Now these could be all demo issues... but so far have no greatdesire

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> > to > > > > > purchase 2002 until I find out more about these items. > > > > > > > > > > cheers ...Rico > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

pfttttttttt ............ BS Vintook wrote:

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> As I stated, I have a $30 gift card for Wal-Mart laying around so I'll > probably use that to get it the day it comes out. Then I'll really only be > paying what I feel it's worth.... about $15-$20. I don't think it's really > worth the $45-$50 since I already own at least half of it now (N4). I like > what they are doing and glad that it's coming out, just a little too steep > of a price for those of us that already have N4. They should give us a %50 > discount or something for being long time costomers. > > Vintook > > "WilburJr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Yeah, yeah, yeah.............. you tell us that!! I've been buying Papy > NASCAR > > sims since day 1 and to this date have yet to be disappointed. The only > > disappointment I've had is when TEN was done away with. You might want to > read > > more, because there is more to NC2002 then just an update. you guys who > dislike > > NASCAR racing so bad should start writing a new racing sim program then we > can > > pick your stuff to death. > > > > Vintook wrote: > > > > > If you play the demo and read a couple articles about what they put in > N2002 > > > then even you will see that it is nothing but a minor update to N4. Not > > > worth the money. I'll wait a month and pick it up for $15. Although I do > > > still have a $30 gift card from Xmas so I could use that in a month and > then > > > pay what it's really worth! $5.00 > > > > > > Vintook > > > > > > "WilburJr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Some of you are so stupid!! Did you write the code for any of these?? > NO!! > > > How do > > > > you know it's a patch?? You don't!! also it's 49.99 try to get some of > > > your facts > > > > straight. > > > > > > > > > > > > Destroy wrote: > > > > > > > > > NR2002=N4 patch + $45 > > > > > > > > > > Rick Clyde wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Tried the Nascar 2002 demo... > > > > > > > > > > > > Here were my first observations: > > > > > > 1) No Force Feedback (I use Logitech Wingman Formula Force). I > tried > > > many > > > > > > things but no luck. > > > > > > 2) Slower framerate (than N4) > > > > > > 3) Colours looked faded compared to N4 (ran N4 right after and the > > > colors > > > > > > looked brilliant) > > > > > > 4) The driving seemed just a tad easier (but that may have been > only > > > initial > > > > > > impressions however). > > > > > > > > > > > > Now these could be all demo issues... but so far have no great > desire > > > to > > > > > > purchase 2002 until I find out more about these items. > > > > > > > > > > > > cheers ...Rico > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

pfttttttttt ............ BS

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> As I stated, I have a $30 gift card for Wal-Mart laying around so I'll > probably use that to get it the day it comes out. Then I'll really only be > paying what I feel it's worth.... about $15-$20. I don't think it's really > worth the $45-$50 since I already own at least half of it now (N4). I like > what they are doing and glad that it's coming out, just a little too steep > of a price for those of us that already have N4. They should give us a %50 > discount or something for being long time costomers. > Vintook > > Yeah, yeah, yeah.............. you tell us that!! I've been buying Papy > NASCAR > > sims since day 1 and to this date have yet to be disappointed. The only > > disappointment I've had is when TEN was done away with. You might want to > read > > more, because there is more to NC2002 then just an update. you guys who > dislike > > NASCAR racing so bad should start writing a new racing sim program then we > can > > pick your stuff to death. > > > If you play the demo and read a couple articles about what they put in > N2002 > > > then even you will see that it is nothing but a minor update to N4. Not > > > worth the money. I'll wait a month and pick it up for $15. Although I do > > > still have a $30 gift card from Xmas so I could use that in a month and > then > > > pay what it's really worth! $5.00 > > > Vintook > > > > Some of you are so stupid!! Did you write the code for any of these?? > NO!! > > > How do > > > > you know it's a patch?? You don't!! also it's 49.99 try to get some of > > > your facts > > > > straight. > > > > > NR2002=N4 patch + $45 > > > > > > Tried the Nascar 2002 demo... > > > > > > Here were my first observations: > > > > > > 1) No Force Feedback (I use Logitech Wingman Formula Force). I > tried > > > many > > > > > > things but no luck. > > > > > > 2) Slower framerate (than N4) > > > > > > 3) Colours looked faded compared to N4 (ran N4 right after and the > > > colors > > > > > > looked brilliant) > > > > > > 4) The driving seemed just a tad easier (but that may have been > only > > > initial > > > > > > impressions however). > > > > > > Now these could be all demo issues... but so far have no great > desire > > > to > > > > > > purchase 2002 until I find out more about these items. > > > > > > cheers ...Rico

Least they could do is make the gfx obviously improved to justify the cost. I'm hard pressed to see any gfx difference. WilburJr wrote:

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> pfttttttttt ............ BS > > Vintook wrote: > > >>As I stated, I have a $30 gift card for Wal-Mart laying around so I'll >>probably use that to get it the day it comes out. Then I'll really only be >>paying what I feel it's worth.... about $15-$20. I don't think it's really >>worth the $45-$50 since I already own at least half of it now (N4). I like >>what they are doing and glad that it's coming out, just a little too steep >>of a price for those of us that already have N4. They should give us a %50 >>discount or something for being long time costomers. >> >>Vintook >> >>"WilburJr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>news:[email hidden]... >> >>>Yeah, yeah, yeah.............. you tell us that!! I've been buying Papy >>> >>NASCAR >> >>>sims since day 1 and to this date have yet to be disappointed. The only >>>disappointment I've had is when TEN was done away with. You might want to >>> >>read >> >>>more, because there is more to NC2002 then just an update. you guys who >>> >>dislike >> >>>NASCAR racing so bad should start writing a new racing sim program then we >>> >>can >> >>>pick your stuff to death. >>> >>>Vintook wrote: >>> >>> >>>>If you play the demo and read a couple articles about what they put in >>>> >>N2002 >> >>>>then even you will see that it is nothing but a minor update to N4. Not >>>>worth the money. I'll wait a month and pick it up for $15. Although I do >>>>still have a $30 gift card from Xmas so I could use that in a month and >>>> >>then >> >>>>pay what it's really worth! $5.00 >>>> >>>>Vintook >>>> >>>>"WilburJr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>>news:[email hidden]... >>>> >>>>>Some of you are so stupid!! Did you write the code for any of these?? >>>>> >>NO!! >> >>>>How do >>>> >>>>>you know it's a patch?? You don't!! also it's 49.99 try to get some of >>>>> >>>>your facts >>>> >>>>>straight. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Destroy wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>NR2002=N4 patch + $45 >>>>>> >>>>>>Rick Clyde wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Tried the Nascar 2002 demo... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Here were my first observations: >>>>>>>1) No Force Feedback (I use Logitech Wingman Formula Force). I >>>>>>> >>tried >> >>>>many >>>> >>>>>>>things but no luck. >>>>>>>2) Slower framerate (than N4) >>>>>>>3) Colours looked faded compared to N4 (ran N4 right after and the >>>>>>> >>>>colors >>>> >>>>>>>looked brilliant) >>>>>>>4) The driving seemed just a tad easier (but that may have been >>>>>>> >>only >> >>>>initial >>>> >>>>>>>impressions however). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Now these could be all demo issues... but so far have no great >>>>>>> >>desire >> >>>>to >>>> >>>>>>>purchase 2002 until I find out more about these items. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>cheers ...Rico >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >

"Destroy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Least they could do is make the gfx obviously improved to justify the > cost. I'm hard pressed to see any gfx difference. > take a look at the cars, the tracks will be very close I suspect to whats currently in N4. But N4's cars have kind of a stubby front end, (due to an unbalanced texture size) And with a 512x512 texture size now available in 2002, the cars noses(bonnets, hoods, etc) look much more symetric. Since most of todays systems are already sweating trying to run N4 graphics at maximum, I'm not too heartbroken if they don't make a giant leap forward for 2002. ( I would like to see the price cut by at least a third tho...) dave henrie

IMO, I think an upgrade discount or mail-in rebate for users of the previous version(that would be N4 only, NOT N3 or earlier) of 10-15 bucks would be most reasonable. Many other sw makers do this, why not papy? Should they discount the title straight away, no, most better sw titles are around the 40-50 price mark, why should papy be expected to be different. But they certainly aren't doing anything for their loyal sim buyers. Obviously I would love to see it discounted, but I'm more than willing to be fair about it and not a greedy cheap bastard like some, not meaning you Dave... -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tTH78.26997$[email hidden]... > > "Destroy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Least they could do is make the gfx obviously improved to justify the > > cost. I'm hard pressed to see any gfx difference. > > > take a look at the cars, the tracks will be very close I suspect to whats > currently in N4. But N4's cars have kind of a stubby front end, (due to an > unbalanced texture size) And with a 512x512 texture size now available in > 2002, the cars noses(bonnets, hoods, etc) look much more symetric. Since > most of todays systems are already sweating trying to run N4 graphics at > maximum, I'm not too heartbroken if they don't make a giant leap forward for > 2002. ( I would like to see the price cut by at least a third tho...) > dave henrie > >

aren't bonnets and hoods the same thing? "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tTH78.26997$[email hidden]...

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> > "Destroy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Least they could do is make the gfx obviously improved to justify the > > cost. I'm hard pressed to see any gfx difference. > > > take a look at the cars, the tracks will be very close I suspect to

whats > currently in N4. But N4's cars have kind of a stubby front end, (due toan > unbalanced texture size) And with a 512x512 texture size now available in > 2002, the cars noses(bonnets, hoods, etc) look much more symetric. Since > most of todays systems are already sweating trying to run N4 graphics at > maximum, I'm not too heartbroken if they don't make a giant leap forwardfor > 2002. ( I would like to see the price cut by at least a third tho...) > dave henrie > >

"doubleu" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6vJ78.359675$[email hidden]... > aren't bonnets and hoods the same thing? yes, I was just trying to be bi-lingual and use terminology that folks on both sides of the pond would understand. shoulda just kept it simple and said : that space between the windshield and the front bumper. :) dave henrie

In Nascar isn't that a billboard? -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MNJ78.22537$Ri2.69794@rwcrnsc54... > > "doubleu" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:6vJ78.359675$[email hidden]... > > aren't bonnets and hoods the same thing? > yes, I was just trying to be bi-lingual and use terminology that folks on > both sides of the pond would understand. > shoulda just kept it simple and said : > that space between the windshield and the front bumper. > :) > dave henrie > >

Or maybee simracers are a particually bitchy bunch who want everything for nothing and wont even mildy accept anything but perfection. Dr87

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> >I don't know why you think it should be a free patch, I see many sports > >games, almost all actually that are basically the same game with updated > >roster and a few changes selling for full price. I never here people > >complaining about that. > > Maybe they just don't buy them? > > Eldred

> aren't bonnets and hoods the same thing? Mary poppins has a bonnet, and a homie-g has a hood. Dr87

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>Or maybee simracers are a particually bitchy bunch who want everything >for nothing and wont even mildy accept anything but perfection. > >Dr87 > >> >I don't know why you think it should be a free patch, I see many sports >> >games, almost all actually that are basically the same game with updated >> >roster and a few changes selling for full price. I never here people >> >complaining about that. >> >> Maybe they just don't buy them? >> >> Eldred

I'll ignore the obvious flamebait... No, I'm saying the people who buy the sports games don't buy the yearly 'updates', for lack of a better term. I mean, the rules in footbal, baseball, and hockey stay the same year after year. Once you buy ONE, there's no need to get anymore. The NEW sales may be coming from people who don't own ANY... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <S1178.59410$[email hidden]>, "Kevin Anderson" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >I don't know why you think it should be a free patch, I see many sports > >games, almost all actually that are basically the same game with updated > >roster and a few changes selling for full price. I never here people > >complaining about that. > > Maybe they just don't buy them? > > Eldred

I would be hard pressed to argue how many people by EA Sports games every year, even though most of the time it seems they remove features from the game. The leap between Nascar 4 and 2002 is huge compared to the differences between NHL2001/2002 and Madden 2001/2002. Personally, I feel a patch should fix bugs and a new release should add new functionality. Rewriting AI code, rewriting the damage model, adding more detail to the camber modeling, adding support for high resolution textures, adding a driving school/tutorial section, and adding a replay editor with proper video export capabilities completely justifies a new release imho. Now if you don't want to buy it, then that's another thing. I just think we're spoiled because Papy regularly puts things in patches that companies like EA Sports would make us pay for. Jason

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> > "doubleu" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:6vJ78.359675$[email hidden]... > > aren't bonnets and hoods the same thing? > yes, I was just trying to be bi-lingual and use terminology that folks on > both sides of the pond would understand. > shoulda just kept it simple and said : > that space between the windshield and the front bumper. > :) > dave henrie

Wanna be tri-lingual? Add "Motorhaube"... ;) Now if ymenard jumps in, this could get quadr...well, four-lingual! -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now?

> I'll ignore the obvious flamebait... > No, I'm saying the people who buy the sports games don't buy the yearly > 'updates', for lack of a better term. I mean, the rules in footbal, baseball, > and hockey stay the same year after year. Once you buy ONE, there's no need to > get anymore. The NEW sales may be coming from people who don't own ANY... They oviously buy them more than once, because sports games are often top sellers, and there cant be mainly new people buying those games every year. Like what was posted before, i think that fixes etc should be updated with a patch, but new features like, hi-res cars, training mode, new sound, new tracks, improved handling, and updated season aswell as generally updated graphics hasto justify a new release. Dr87

Luke Phillips wrote: > > Or maybee simracers are a particually bitchy bunch who want everything > for nothing and wont even mildy accept anything but perfection. Or maybe there's a sucker born every minute, but the simracing community has far less of them in their midst. -- Fester "Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?" from alt.linux.mandrake NG

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>> I'll ignore the obvious flamebait... >> No, I'm saying the people who buy the sports games don't buy the yearly >> 'updates', for lack of a better term. I mean, the rules in footbal, >baseball, >> and hockey stay the same year after year. Once you buy ONE, there's no >need to >> get anymore. The NEW sales may be coming from people who don't own ANY... > >They oviously buy them more than once, because sports games are often >top sellers, and there cant be mainly new people buying those games >every year. Like what was posted before, i think that fixes etc should >be updated with a patch, but new features like, hi-res cars, training >mode, new sound, new tracks, improved handling, and updated season >aswell as generally updated graphics hasto justify a new release.

Why CAN'T there be mostly new people buying sports games every year? How many new people discover computers every year, or how many people who already own computers finally get a beefy enough system to run the new games? Anybody know sales figures for say, the EA baseball game(MLB 2002?)? I'm not really saying that people DON'T buy the same games year after year, but I haven't seen any proof that they DO. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in news:[email hidden]: > In article <[email hidden]>,snip, snip > > Eldred FWIW, son gets the 'yearly updates' to FIFA every year. He want's them, and I'm the sap that keeps buying them for him. This is for a PS, so I don't know if the same applies for PC. Like I said here before, for the amount of entertainment hours/dollar I can't beat Papy. If it costs me $40-$50+, or whatever the amount is, per year to get 100's, if not 1000's of hours of entertainment, I'm all for it. A movie and dinner costs that much, and if my wife picks the movie I'll probably sleep through it anyway!

WilburJr <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]: > Some of you are so stupid!! Did you write the code for any of these?? > NO!! How do you know it's a patch?? You don't!! also it's 49.99 try to > get some of your facts straight. > 20 pounds sterling in the UK, or about $30 US, which is also what N4 cost on release. I'll be buying it, N2002 is not easier than N4 to drive, it's certainly nothing like the "arcade" N4 mode people have claimed. Great feeling in the handling, excellent engine sounds and hi-res car paints. I'll be buying it if it hits the shelves here. cheers John

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>> both sides of the pond would understand. >> shoulda just kept it simple and said : that space between the >> windshield and the front bumper. >> :) >> dave henrie > > Wanna be tri-lingual? Add "Motorhaube"... ;) >

In our german lessons, we were told it's "fingerpincherkopfchopper" Is that not right? ?:o/ cheers John

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> > Ronald Stoehr <[email hidden]> wrote in > > >> both sides of the pond would understand. > >> shoulda just kept it simple and said : that space between the > >> windshield and the front bumper. > >> :) > >> dave henrie > > > > Wanna be tri-lingual? Add "Motorhaube"... ;) > > > > In our german lessons, we were told it's "fingerpincherkopfchopper" > Is that not right? ?:o/

No, that's just the word used by mechanics in their first year of training... -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now?

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>[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in >news:[email hidden]: > >> In article <[email hidden]>, >snip, snip >> >> Eldred > > >FWIW, son gets the 'yearly updates' to FIFA every year. He want's them, and >I'm the sap that keeps buying them for him. This is for a PS, so I don't >know if the same applies for PC. Like I said here before, for the amount of >entertainment hours/dollar I can't beat Papy. If it costs me $40-$50+, or >whatever the amount is, per year to get 100's, if not 1000's of hours of >entertainment, I'm all for it. A movie and dinner costs that much, and if >my wife picks the movie I'll probably sleep through it anyway! >

Hehe...ok. 1000's of hours would pretty much impossible, though.<g> You'd have to play for almost 3 hours EVERY DAY just to get to ONE thousand hours. Does anyone really play games that much??? Eldred Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Mike King ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in >>news:[email hidden]: >> >>> In article <[email hidden]>, snip, >>> snip >>> >>> Eldred >> >> >>FWIW, son gets the 'yearly updates' to FIFA every year. He want's them, >>and I'm the sap that keeps buying them for him. This is for a PS, so I >>don't know if the same applies for PC. Like I said here before, for the >>amount of entertainment hours/dollar I can't beat Papy. If it costs me >>$40-$50+, or whatever the amount is, per year to get 100's, if not >>1000's of hours of entertainment, I'm all for it. A movie and dinner >>costs that much, and if my wife picks the movie I'll probably sleep >>through it anyway! >> > > Hehe...ok. 1000's of hours would pretty much impossible, though.<g> > You'd have to play for almost 3 hours EVERY DAY just to get to ONE > thousand hours. Does anyone really play games that much??? > > Eldred > > Eldred

Ok, point taken. 1000 may have been a bit of an exageration. But when GPL and N3 first came out, I bet I was pretty dang close to 3 hours a night for the better part of a year.

It was just a demo, the release version will be better. -- Mike Grandy www.precision-racing.com "Rick Clyde" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Tried the Nascar 2002 demo... > > Here were my first observations: > 1) No Force Feedback (I use Logitech Wingman Formula Force). I tried many > things but no luck. > 2) Slower framerate (than N4) > 3) Colours looked faded compared to N4 (ran N4 right after and the colors > looked brilliant) > 4) The driving seemed just a tad easier (but that may have been only initial > impressions however). > > Now these could be all demo issues... but so far have no great desire to > purchase 2002 until I find out more about these items. > > cheers ...Rico > > > >

NR2002=N4 patch + $45=Whiner -- Mike Grandy www.precision-racing.com "Destroy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > NR2002=N4 patch + $45 > > Rick Clyde wrote: > > > Tried the Nascar 2002 demo... > > > > Here were my first observations: > > 1) No Force Feedback (I use Logitech Wingman Formula Force). I tried many > > things but no luck. > > 2) Slower framerate (than N4) > > 3) Colours looked faded compared to N4 (ran N4 right after and the colors > > looked brilliant) > > 4) The driving seemed just a tad easier (but that may have been only initial > > impressions however). > > > > Now these could be all demo issues... but so far have no great desire to > > purchase 2002 until I find out more about these items. > > > > cheers ...Rico > > > > > > > > > > >

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>In article <[email hidden]>, WilburJr <[email hidden]> writes: > >>DUH ................. it's a demo!! >> >>Rick Clyde wrote: >> >>> Tried the Nascar 2002 demo... >>> >>> Here were my first observations: >>> 1) No Force Feedback (I use Logitech Wingman Formula Force). I tried many >>> things but no luck. >>> 2) Slower framerate (than N4) >>> 3) Colours looked faded compared to N4 (ran N4 right after and the colors >>> looked brilliant) >>> 4) The driving seemed just a tad easier (but that may have been only >>initial >>> impressions however). >>> >>> Now these could be all demo issues... but so far have no great desire to >>> purchase 2002 until I find out more about these items. > >...Which is supposed to show what the game is CAPABLE of...DUH... Why the >attitude? Rick even *allowed* for the fact that there might only be problems >in the demo. If the demo sucked in your opinion(not saying it does) would you >be all fired up to buy the retail version? What's the point of having a demo >at ALL if it doesn't do a good job of showing how the full game will run? > >Eldred

But OTOH, why buy the game if they load the demo with all the goodies? We need to also keep in mine that not all the bells and whistles are ironed out when the demos get released. They could just NOT release a demo at all. My God, what an uproar THAT would cause. There are too many variables to consider. Unless I'm hell-bent on having the game, I will listen to what others who purchase it have to say about it before I decide on a purchase. I RARELY let a demo impact my buying decision. But, whichever you prefer................. Todd

On Sat, 2 Feb 2002 20:28:45 -0600, "Rick Clyde" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Sorry... forgot why I stopped coming to this newsgroup... thanks for >reminding me. > >cheers... Rico > Rico, You took the words right out of my mouth brother. There are a lot of smartassed snobs in here, and it's too bad. I followed this newsgroup for many years under different usernames, and just got tired of asking for help or just asking simple questions, only to come back a couple days later and find either no response or a few smartassed replies. So now I just lurk and occasionally assist someone that needs help. I guess self-help is the new in thing now. Todd

Yup, and until you do buy it, you'll be racing N4 against the AI, because most, if not all, of the major servers are going to make the switch to NR2002 almost immediately. Have fun........... On Sat, 02 Feb 2002 20:46:09 GMT, "Vintook" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>If you play the demo and read a couple articles about what they put in N2002 >then even you will see that it is nothing but a minor update to N4. Not >worth the money. I'll wait a month and pick it up for $15. Although I do >still have a $30 gift card from Xmas so I could use that in a month and then >pay what it's really worth! $5.00 > >Vintook > >"WilburJr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Some of you are so stupid!! Did you write the code for any of these?? NO!! >How do >> you know it's a patch?? You don't!! also it's 49.99 try to get some of >your facts >> straight. >> >> >> Destroy wrote: >> >> > NR2002=N4 patch + $45 >> > >> > Rick Clyde wrote: >> > >> > > Tried the Nascar 2002 demo... >> > > >> > > Here were my first observations: >> > > 1) No Force Feedback (I use Logitech Wingman Formula Force). I tried >many >> > > things but no luck. >> > > 2) Slower framerate (than N4) >> > > 3) Colours looked faded compared to N4 (ran N4 right after and the >colors >> > > looked brilliant) >> > > 4) The driving seemed just a tad easier (but that may have been only >initial >> > > impressions however). >> > > >> > > Now these could be all demo issues... but so far have no great desire >to >> > > purchase 2002 until I find out more about these items. >> > > >> > > cheers ...Rico >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >

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>But OTOH, why buy the game if they load the demo with all the goodies? > >We need to also keep in mine that not all the bells and whistles are >ironed out when the demos get released. They could just NOT release a >demo at all. My God, what an uproar THAT would cause. There are too >many variables to consider. Unless I'm hell-bent on having the game, I >will listen to what others who purchase it have to say about it before >I decide on a purchase. I RARELY let a demo impact my buying decision. >But, whichever you prefer.................

I agree that the demo shouldn't be expected to have ALL the features of the real game. But, if you can't use it with your wheel, f'rinstance, how can you get an idea of how it will drive in the retail version. That's very subjective - settings you might like won't work for me, and vice-versa. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.