GTL USES STARFARCE????

Oh CRAP! I just bought GT Legends from Best Buy and open it up and what do I find, but a StarForce code. WTF? Why do these smaller publisher's go with StarForce? Dammit, now I'm considering not installing it at all. I used to think that I never had a problem with StarForce. But after reading a bunch about StarForce, and having two CD-RW/DVD-ROM drives fail, I realize it is highly likely StarForce with Silent Hunter III. Ever since I got my THIRD CD-RW/DVD-ROM replaced by the online store I ordered it from, I haven't had any issues, and haven't installed SH3 yet either. Maybe just coincidence but smells fishy to me! I don't mean to complain, but is there any way to remove that copy protection? Thanks!

"HockeyTownUSA" <magma at comcast dot net> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Oh CRAP! > > I just bought GT Legends from Best Buy and open it up and what do I find, > but a StarForce code. > > WTF? Why do these smaller publisher's go with StarForce? Dammit, now I'm > considering not installing it at all. > > I used to think that I never had a problem with StarForce. But after > reading a bunch about StarForce, and having two CD-RW/DVD-ROM drives fail, > I realize it is highly likely StarForce with Silent Hunter III. Ever since > I got my THIRD CD-RW/DVD-ROM replaced by the online store I ordered it > from, I haven't had any issues, and haven't installed SH3 yet either. > > Maybe just coincidence but smells fishy to me! > > I don't mean to complain, but is there any way to remove that copy > protection? > > Thanks! >

yep, on the starforce web page they have an uninstaller iirc. Google it..

But if you unstall the SF the game wont run either. John Smith enlightened us with:

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> "HockeyTownUSA" <magma at comcast dot net> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> Oh CRAP! >> >> I just bought GT Legends from Best Buy and open it up and what do I >> find, but a StarForce code. >> >> WTF? Why do these smaller publisher's go with StarForce? Dammit, now >> I'm considering not installing it at all. >> >> I used to think that I never had a problem with StarForce. But after >> reading a bunch about StarForce, and having two CD-RW/DVD-ROM drives >> fail, I realize it is highly likely StarForce with Silent Hunter >> III. Ever since I got my THIRD CD-RW/DVD-ROM replaced by the online >> store I ordered it from, I haven't had any issues, and haven't >> installed SH3 yet either. Maybe just coincidence but smells fishy to me! >> >> I don't mean to complain, but is there any way to remove that copy >> protection? >> >> Thanks! >> > yep, on the starforce web page they have an uninstaller iirc. Google > it..

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> But if you unstall the SF the game wont run either. > John Smith enlightened us with: >> "HockeyTownUSA" <magma at comcast dot net> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >>> Oh CRAP! >>> >>> I just bought GT Legends from Best Buy and open it up and what do I >>> find, but a StarForce code. >>> >>> WTF? Why do these smaller publisher's go with StarForce? Dammit, now >>> I'm considering not installing it at all. >>> >>> I used to think that I never had a problem with StarForce. But after >>> reading a bunch about StarForce, and having two CD-RW/DVD-ROM drives >>> fail, I realize it is highly likely StarForce with Silent Hunter >>> III. Ever since I got my THIRD CD-RW/DVD-ROM replaced by the online >>> store I ordered it from, I haven't had any issues, and haven't >>> installed SH3 yet either. Maybe just coincidence but smells fishy to me! >>> >>> I don't mean to complain, but is there any way to remove that copy >>> protection? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >> yep, on the starforce web page they have an uninstaller iirc. Google >> it.. > >

On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:36:10 -0500, "HockeyTownUSA" <magma at comcast dot net> wrote:

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>Oh CRAP! > >I just bought GT Legends from Best Buy and open it up and what do I find, >but a StarForce code. > >WTF? Why do these smaller publisher's go with StarForce? Dammit, now I'm >considering not installing it at all. > >I used to think that I never had a problem with StarForce. But after reading >a bunch about StarForce, and having two CD-RW/DVD-ROM drives fail, I realize >it is highly likely StarForce with Silent Hunter III. Ever since I got my >THIRD CD-RW/DVD-ROM replaced by the online store I ordered it from, I >haven't had any issues, and haven't installed SH3 yet either. > >Maybe just coincidence but smells fishy to me! > >I don't mean to complain, but is there any way to remove that copy >protection? > >Thanks! >

Taco Commander says SF is ok so it must be! http://forums.avault.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=008079

magma at comcast dot net (HockeyTownUSA) wrote: > Oh CRAP! I think we simply have to get used to developers protecting their work like this. I don't like it, but I love GTL, so I'm living with it and haven't -- so far -- noticed any problems associated with it. The Starforce on LOMAC 1.1 is worse, because you only get a limited number of installations. Ok, it's 15 these days, with more if you ask nicely, I believe. But that bothers me *far* more than the protection on GTL. Andrew McP

So, with these phone-home protection systems... What happens if the developer goes under and the servers aren't home any more. Anyone thought of that? That is my primary problem with "Activation" systems, be it software or digital music. -Larry "Andrew MacPherson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> magma at comcast dot net (HockeyTownUSA) wrote: > >> Oh CRAP! > > I think we simply have to get used to developers protecting their work > like this. I don't like it, but I love GTL, so I'm living with it and > haven't -- so far -- noticed any problems associated with it. > > The Starforce on LOMAC 1.1 is worse, because you only get a limited number > of installations. Ok, it's 15 these days, with more if you ask nicely, I > believe. But that bothers me *far* more than the protection on GTL. > > Andrew McP >

Lomac FC (DL version) has (on their site iirc) a registry backup utility. Makes re-install a breeze and unlimited. In fact I used it recently without hiccups. Mitch "Andrew MacPherson" > The Starforce on LOMAC 1.1 is worse, because you only get a limited number > of installations. Ok, it's 15 these days, with more if you ask nicely, I > believe. But that bothers me *far* more than the protection on GTL. > > Andrew McP >

I'm sure Microsoft will come running to our aid with a relatively cheap fix if any company goes under. Andi. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8H1Gf.162391$oG.68961@dukeread02...

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> So, with these phone-home protection systems... > > What happens if the developer goes under and the servers aren't home any > more. > > Anyone thought of that? > > That is my primary problem with "Activation" systems, be it software or > digital music. > > -Larry > > "Andrew MacPherson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> magma at comcast dot net (HockeyTownUSA) wrote: >> >>> Oh CRAP! >> >> I think we simply have to get used to developers protecting their work >> like this. I don't like it, but I love GTL, so I'm living with it and >> haven't -- so far -- noticed any problems associated with it. >> >> The Starforce on LOMAC 1.1 is worse, because you only get a limited >> number >> of installations. Ok, it's 15 these days, with more if you ask nicely, I >> believe. But that bothers me *far* more than the protection on GTL. >> >> Andrew McP >> > >

"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:mo5Gf.30717$[email hidden]: > Lomac FC (DL version) has (on their site iirc) a registry backup > utility. Makes re-install a breeze and unlimited. In fact I used it > recently without hiccups. > > Mitch That still doesn't sound ideal to me. A big reason for re-installing Windows periodically is to clear out all the garbage in the registry. -- Ped Xing

All it adds are the relevant to Lomac reg entries, not all ;) "Ped Xing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:mo5Gf.30717$[email hidden]: > >> Lomac FC (DL version) has (on their site iirc) a registry backup >> utility. Makes re-install a breeze and unlimited. In fact I used it >> recently without hiccups. >> >> Mitch > > That still doesn't sound ideal to me. A big reason for re-installing > Windows periodically is to clear out all the garbage in the registry. > > -- > Ped Xing

It's not their software to fix. This has already happened once to users of a certain DVD copy program. One day, their paid-for product ceased to install if I remember correctly because the company shut down. When you think about it, this is REALLY serious with people spending thousands on downloaded music. If it ever happened, even ONCE, the ripple through the music download industry would be tidal-wave in effect. I think we will see it happen eventually. And Microsoft still hasn't officially stated what they are going to do with XP activations when it goes off support. -Larry "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:43e8e2a1$0$82665$[email hidden]...

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> I'm sure Microsoft will come running to our aid with a relatively cheap > fix if any company goes under. > > Andi. > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8H1Gf.162391$oG.68961@dukeread02... >> So, with these phone-home protection systems... >> >> What happens if the developer goes under and the servers aren't home any >> more. >> >> Anyone thought of that? >> >> That is my primary problem with "Activation" systems, be it software or >> digital music. >> >> -Larry >> >> "Andrew MacPherson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >>> magma at comcast dot net (HockeyTownUSA) wrote: >>> >>>> Oh CRAP! >>> >>> I think we simply have to get used to developers protecting their work >>> like this. I don't like it, but I love GTL, so I'm living with it and >>> haven't -- so far -- noticed any problems associated with it. >>> >>> The Starforce on LOMAC 1.1 is worse, because you only get a limited >>> number >>> of installations. Ok, it's 15 these days, with more if you ask nicely, I >>> believe. But that bothers me *far* more than the protection on GTL. >>> >>> Andrew McP >>> >> >> > >

[email hidden] (Larry) wrote: > What happens if the developer goes under and the servers aren't home > any more. I absolutely agree it's a nasty system. But what's the choice here and now? We either don't buy the software and miss the fun, or we swallow the bitter pill. I'm too old to sit and wait for an ideal world. :-) Andrew McP

[email hidden] (Mitch_A) wrote: > Makes re-install a breeze and unlimited. Not strictly true. The registry backup only works if your hardware stays the same. Any changes and Starforce has to re-authenticate. Andrew McP

Ditto for the rFactor trick. I had to re-activate after my computer upgrade. -Larry "Andrew MacPherson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> [email hidden] (Mitch_A) wrote: > >> Makes re-install a breeze and unlimited. > > Not strictly true. The registry backup only works if your hardware stays > the same. Any changes and Starforce has to re-authenticate. > > Andrew McP

It will be fine until it hits something popular. Then the proverbial shit is gonna hit the fan for everyone that uses it. It will happen, and I think it will be good for consumers when it does. Congress will meet. Senators will discuss over beer. Laws will be written protecting the consumer. It will all finally be out in the open. Just think what would happen if you woke up to a news story tomorrow morning that stated "Apple closes iTunes. Purchased music can no longer authenticate". It won't happen to iTunes, but I hear that some of the music 'stores' ain't doing so hot right now. This is also why I think, eventually, it's gonna be a subscription thing, plain and simple. For better or worse. I know if iTunes were to start a subscription service I would drop YahooMusic and their pathetic music software in a heartbeat. -Larry "Andrew MacPherson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> [email hidden] (Larry) wrote: > >> What happens if the developer goes under and the servers aren't home >> any more. > > I absolutely agree it's a nasty system. But what's the choice here and > now? We either don't buy the software and miss the fun, or we swallow the > bitter pill. > > I'm too old to sit and wait for an ideal world. :-) > > Andrew McP

On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:57 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), [email hidden] (Andrew MacPherson) wrote: >The Starforce on LOMAC 1.1 is worse, because you only get a limited number >of installations. Ok, it's 15 these days, with more if you ask nicely, I >believe. That's only the downloadable version. If you buy the cdrom version it has no such limitations. I now boycott all games with Starforce so no GTL for me. Although, I did buy GTR. Their loss, not mine.

[email hidden] (Sean Cousins) wrote: > If you buy the cdrom version it > has no such limitations. Good point. I was going to buy a CD version as well, but the online cost is now so low I'm finding it hard to part with the extra cash. :-) However I trust ED enough to think they'd find a way to patch SF out of the sim before turning out the lights, if they (or SF) ever close. Famous last words though! Andrew McP

Larry wrote: > It will happen, and I think it will be good for consumers when it does. > Congress will meet. Senators will discuss over beer. Laws will be written > protecting the consumer. Somehow I find no comfort in this at all. Seldom does Congress do anything that doesn't end up with the average guy taking it up the ass. Don McCorkle www.lp.org

On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:55:54 -0500, Larry wrote:

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> > When you think about it, this is REALLY serious with people spending > thousands on downloaded music. > > If it ever happened, even ONCE, the ripple through the music download > industry would be tidal-wave in effect. >

I think the only viable option is open, non-proprietary music formats. I refuse to purchase music online from a service that won't allow me to listen to the titles on the machine and operating system of *my* choice. Cheers, uwe -- GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

I was being quite sarcastic :) -Larry "Woodie83" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Larry wrote: > >> It will happen, and I think it will be good for consumers when it does. >> Congress will meet. Senators will discuss over beer. Laws will be >> written protecting the consumer. > > Somehow I find no comfort in this at all. Seldom does Congress do > anything that doesn't end up with the average guy taking it up the ass. > > > Don McCorkle > www.lp.org >

No, but if theres a chance of 'controlling' yet another part of a PC then I'm sure M$ would buy Starforce then make it a standard part of Windows. Andi. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:EP7Gf.164799$oG.54619@dukeread02...

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> It's not their software to fix. > > This has already happened once to users of a certain DVD copy program. > One day, their paid-for product ceased to install if I remember correctly > because the company shut down. > > When you think about it, this is REALLY serious with people spending > thousands on downloaded music. > > If it ever happened, even ONCE, the ripple through the music download > industry would be tidal-wave in effect. > > I think we will see it happen eventually. > > And Microsoft still hasn't officially stated what they are going to do > with XP activations when it goes off support. > > -Larry > > "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:43e8e2a1$0$82665$[email hidden]... >> I'm sure Microsoft will come running to our aid with a relatively cheap >> fix if any company goes under. >> >> Andi. >> >> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:8H1Gf.162391$oG.68961@dukeread02... >>> So, with these phone-home protection systems... >>> >>> What happens if the developer goes under and the servers aren't home any >>> more. >>> >>> Anyone thought of that? >>> >>> That is my primary problem with "Activation" systems, be it software or >>> digital music. >>> >>> -Larry >>> >>> "Andrew MacPherson" <[email hidden]> wrote in >>> message >>> news:[email hidden]... >>>> magma at comcast dot net (HockeyTownUSA) wrote: >>>> >>>>> Oh CRAP! >>>> >>>> I think we simply have to get used to developers protecting their work >>>> like this. I don't like it, but I love GTL, so I'm living with it and >>>> haven't -- so far -- noticed any problems associated with it. >>>> >>>> The Starforce on LOMAC 1.1 is worse, because you only get a limited >>>> number >>>> of installations. Ok, it's 15 these days, with more if you ask nicely, >>>> I >>>> believe. But that bothers me *far* more than the protection on GTL. >>>> >>>> Andrew McP >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

I agree 100%. You know, within reason I don't even care if it has DRM, so long as it's DRM that is not company or device specific, and is run through a clearinghouse that ALL resellers of music must use. That way there's no problem with companies going out of business, etc... Actually, screw DRM. We don't need it ;) -Larry "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:55:54 -0500, Larry wrote: >> >> When you think about it, this is REALLY serious with people spending >> thousands on downloaded music. >> >> If it ever happened, even ONCE, the ripple through the music download >> industry would be tidal-wave in effect. >> > > > I think the only viable option is open, non-proprietary music formats. I > refuse to purchase music online from a service that won't allow me to > listen to the titles on the machine and operating system of *my* choice. > > > Cheers, uwe > > -- > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Man, don't say that too loud! -Larry "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:43e9f2e6$0$82656$[email hidden]...

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> No, but if theres a chance of 'controlling' yet another part of a PC then > I'm sure M$ would buy Starforce then make it a standard part of Windows. > > Andi. > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:EP7Gf.164799$oG.54619@dukeread02... >> It's not their software to fix. >> >> This has already happened once to users of a certain DVD copy program. >> One day, their paid-for product ceased to install if I remember correctly >> because the company shut down. >> >> When you think about it, this is REALLY serious with people spending >> thousands on downloaded music. >> >> If it ever happened, even ONCE, the ripple through the music download >> industry would be tidal-wave in effect. >> >> I think we will see it happen eventually. >> >> And Microsoft still hasn't officially stated what they are going to do >> with XP activations when it goes off support. >> >> -Larry >> >> "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:43e8e2a1$0$82665$[email hidden]... >>> I'm sure Microsoft will come running to our aid with a relatively cheap >>> fix if any company goes under. >>> >>> Andi. >>> >>> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:8H1Gf.162391$oG.68961@dukeread02... >>>> So, with these phone-home protection systems... >>>> >>>> What happens if the developer goes under and the servers aren't home >>>> any more. >>>> >>>> Anyone thought of that? >>>> >>>> That is my primary problem with "Activation" systems, be it software or >>>> digital music. >>>> >>>> -Larry >>>> >>>> "Andrew MacPherson" <[email hidden]> wrote in >>>> message >>>> news:[email hidden]... >>>>> magma at comcast dot net (HockeyTownUSA) wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Oh CRAP! >>>>> >>>>> I think we simply have to get used to developers protecting their work >>>>> like this. I don't like it, but I love GTL, so I'm living with it and >>>>> haven't -- so far -- noticed any problems associated with it. >>>>> >>>>> The Starforce on LOMAC 1.1 is worse, because you only get a limited >>>>> number >>>>> of installations. Ok, it's 15 these days, with more if you ask nicely, >>>>> I >>>>> believe. But that bothers me *far* more than the protection on GTL. >>>>> >>>>> Andrew McP >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

Man, don't say that too loud! -Larry

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> No, but if theres a chance of 'controlling' yet another part of a PC then > I'm sure M$ would buy Starforce then make it a standard part of Windows. > Andi. >> It's not their software to fix. >> This has already happened once to users of a certain DVD copy program. >> One day, their paid-for product ceased to install if I remember correctly >> because the company shut down. >> When you think about it, this is REALLY serious with people spending >> thousands on downloaded music. >> If it ever happened, even ONCE, the ripple through the music download >> industry would be tidal-wave in effect. >> I think we will see it happen eventually. >> And Microsoft still hasn't officially stated what they are going to do >> with XP activations when it goes off support. >> -Larry >>> I'm sure Microsoft will come running to our aid with a relatively cheap >>> fix if any company goes under. >>> Andi. >>>> So, with these phone-home protection systems... >>>> What happens if the developer goes under and the servers aren't home >>>> any more. >>>> Anyone thought of that? >>>> That is my primary problem with "Activation" systems, be it software or >>>> digital music. >>>> -Larry >>>> message >>>>>> Oh CRAP! >>>>> I think we simply have to get used to developers protecting their work >>>>> like this. I don't like it, but I love GTL, so I'm living with it and >>>>> haven't -- so far -- noticed any problems associated with it. >>>>> The Starforce on LOMAC 1.1 is worse, because you only get a limited >>>>> number >>>>> of installations. Ok, it's 15 these days, with more if you ask nicely, >>>>> I >>>>> believe. But that bothers me *far* more than the protection on GTL. >>>>> Andrew McP

2006-02-08, Larry wrote:

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> Man, don't say that too loud! > > -Larry > > "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:43e9f2e6$0$82656$[email hidden]... >> No, but if theres a chance of 'controlling' yet another part of a PC then >> I'm sure M$ would buy Starforce then make it a standard part of Windows.

They probably will - and call it "trusted computing" or something. The new "safety" measures in Vista will be DRM, it will provide a "safer" experience for content providers, not for the consumers. Not to mention the rumours that only Microsoft approved drivers can be installed... -peter

On 09 Feb 2006 08:41:38 GMT, Peter wrote: > > They probably will - and call it "trusted computing" or something. The new > "safety" measures in Vista will be DRM, it will provide a "safer" > experience for content providers, not for the consumers. Not to mention > the rumours that only Microsoft approved drivers can be installed... > Who needs this "Vista" thing anyway? Given the ridiculous hardware requirements for the new OS, I'd be even less willing to upgrade if the above should prove true (well, maybe if GTR10 or rFactor 5.0ￜ drop support for XP, then I might reconsider, <pipe dream> but then we'll all be running some Linux / Free OS variant hopefully anyway</pipe dream> ;) Cheers, uwe -- GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

2006-02-09, Uwe Sch�rkamp wrote:

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> On 09 Feb 2006 08:41:38 GMT, Peter wrote: >> >> They probably will - and call it "trusted computing" or something. The new >> "safety" measures in Vista will be DRM, it will provide a "safer" >> experience for content providers, not for the consumers. Not to mention >> the rumours that only Microsoft approved drivers can be installed... >> > > Who needs this "Vista" thing anyway? Given the ridiculous hardware > requirements for the new OS, I'd be even less willing to upgrade if the > above should prove true (well, maybe if GTR10 or rFactor 5.0� drop > support for XP, then I might reconsider, <pipe dream> but then we'll all > be running some Linux / Free OS variant hopefully anyway</pipe dream> > ;)

By that time I'm hoping for rFactor for Linux! (One can dream...) -peter

Well, this was another reason for my mad-man, over-the-top upgrade. I have to be an early adopter due to the work I do. -Larry "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On 09 Feb 2006 08:41:38 GMT, Peter wrote: >> >> They probably will - and call it "trusted computing" or something. The >> new >> "safety" measures in Vista will be DRM, it will provide a "safer" >> experience for content providers, not for the consumers. Not to mention >> the rumours that only Microsoft approved drivers can be installed... >> > > Who needs this "Vista" thing anyway? Given the ridiculous hardware > requirements for the new OS, I'd be even less willing to upgrade if the > above should prove true (well, maybe if GTR10 or rFactor 5.0� drop > support for XP, then I might reconsider, <pipe dream> but then we'll all > be running some Linux / Free OS variant hopefully anyway</pipe dream> > ;) > > > Cheers, uwe > > -- > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Jesus H Christ, quit fucking using MS products already, shees! Does it make you feel like a BIG man to say you use a subpar OS that runs more like half assed shareware than a modern OS? My god get fucking over your obsessive compulsive bullshit already because no one is FORCING you to run MS products! M$ sux, its all Bush's fault, were losing the war, Islamists are arent all bad, Starforce broke my PC, blah blah blah. See the trend???? There are many places on the internet for you to go and get you fill of anti MS nonsense why the fuck do you bring it here constantly? No one codes games on Linux for a reason youre just to full of your kool-aid to figure it out as a reasonable human. Mitch "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On 09 Feb 2006 08:41:38 GMT, Peter wrote: >> >> They probably will - and call it "trusted computing" or something. The >> new >> "safety" measures in Vista will be DRM, it will provide a "safer" >> experience for content providers, not for the consumers. Not to mention >> the rumours that only Microsoft approved drivers can be installed... >> > > Who needs this "Vista" thing anyway? Given the ridiculous hardware > requirements for the new OS, I'd be even less willing to upgrade if the > above should prove true (well, maybe if GTR10 or rFactor 5.0� drop > support for XP, then I might reconsider, <pipe dream> but then we'll all > be running some Linux / Free OS variant hopefully anyway</pipe dream> > ;) > > > Cheers, uwe > > -- > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

[email hidden] (Mitch_A) wrote: > Jesus H Christ O, oh... someone forgot his Ritalin again! Calm down dear, it's only an operating system. Andrew McP

On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:05:16 +0100, Uwe Schürkamp <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Who needs this "Vista" thing anyway? Given the ridiculous hardware >requirements for the new OS, I'd be even less willing to upgrade if the >above should prove true (well, maybe if GTR10 or rFactor 5.0ß drop >support for XP, then I might reconsider, <pipe dream> but then we'll all >be running some Linux / Free OS variant hopefully anyway</pipe dream> >;) > > >Cheers, uwe

Here's my experience with Ubuntu Linux this morning. Try to play DVD movie, player locks my drive and now it won't open, try to play a radio station - no radio stations listed so I try to get it to play one at somafm but Linux doesn't support MP3 playback out of the box. Wow, what fun this is!

On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:54:54 GMT, "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote: >No one codes games on Linux for a reason youre just to full of your kool-aid >to figure it out as a reasonable human. > >Mitch Yum, kool-aid.

Hey, Mitch! Back away from the Uwe slowly... :) -Larry "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:OlLGf.23267$[email hidden]...

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> Jesus H Christ, quit fucking using MS products already, shees! Does it > make you feel like a BIG man to say you use a subpar OS that runs more > like half assed shareware than a modern OS? My god get fucking over your > obsessive compulsive bullshit already because no one is FORCING you to run > MS products! > > M$ sux, its all Bush's fault, were losing the war, Islamists are arent all > bad, Starforce broke my PC, blah blah blah. See the trend???? > > There are many places on the internet for you to go and get you fill of > anti MS nonsense why the fuck do you bring it here constantly? > > No one codes games on Linux for a reason youre just to full of your > kool-aid to figure it out as a reasonable human. > > Mitch > > > "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> On 09 Feb 2006 08:41:38 GMT, Peter wrote: >>> >>> They probably will - and call it "trusted computing" or something. The >>> new >>> "safety" measures in Vista will be DRM, it will provide a "safer" >>> experience for content providers, not for the consumers. Not to mention >>> the rumours that only Microsoft approved drivers can be installed... >>> >> >> Who needs this "Vista" thing anyway? Given the ridiculous hardware >> requirements for the new OS, I'd be even less willing to upgrade if the >> above should prove true (well, maybe if GTR10 or rFactor 5.0� drop >> support for XP, then I might reconsider, <pipe dream> but then we'll all >> be running some Linux / Free OS variant hopefully anyway</pipe dream> >> ;) >> >> >> Cheers, uwe >> >> -- >> GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61 > >

On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:34:22 -0500, Larry wrote: > Hey, Mitch! Back away from the Uwe slowly... > >:) >*Woof woof!* Ah, good old Mitch. Never one to miss out on throwing around a few expletives ;) Cheers, uwe -- GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:51:40 -0500, Larry wrote: > Well, this was another reason for my mad-man, over-the-top upgrade. I have > to be an early adopter due to the work I do. > Some /.-Story mentioned last night that "Halo 2" for a PC might be a vista-only release. I don't play many FPS (not top of the line, anyway), but I hope we're not seeing a trend here (although DX10 supposedly is vista-only, too). Cheers, uwe -- GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

The whole Vista/HDCP Video thing is really going to piss people off when it hits. That's why I made sure my new LCD had HDCP support on the DVI port. Most don't, even today, and 99% of the LCD's on desktops right now don't either. -Larry "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:51:40 -0500, Larry wrote: >> Well, this was another reason for my mad-man, over-the-top upgrade. I >> have >> to be an early adopter due to the work I do. >> > > Some /.-Story mentioned last night that "Halo 2" for a PC might be a > vista-only release. I don't play many FPS (not top of the line, anyway), > but I hope we're not seeing a trend here (although DX10 supposedly is > vista-only, too). > > Cheers, uwe > > > -- > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:07:56 +0100, Uwe Schürkamp <[email hidden]> wrote: >Some /.-Story mentioned last night that "Halo 2" for a PC might be a >vista-only release. I don't play many FPS (not top of the line, anyway), >but I hope we're not seeing a trend here (although DX10 supposedly is >vista-only, too). > >Cheers, uwe There are already games that are supposedly XP only. People have hacked them to work on Win9x though. But if Halo2 requires DX10 then it will be Vista only for sure. DX10 won't be released for XP.

On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:10:14 -0500, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: >The whole Vista/HDCP Video thing is really going to piss people off when it >hits. That's why I made sure my new LCD had HDCP support on the DVI port. How much more does an LCD with HDCP cost?

It's a known fact that Starforce eats your grandmother.

[email hidden] () wrote: > It's a known fact that Starforce eats your grandmother. I think you'll find it's worms, not Starforce. Andrew McP

See what you did there Andrew? You did a funny; a joke on a joke. Now in normal circumstances that would be fine, but in this particular usage, your contribution seeks to cancel mine out; you seek to bask in my reflected glory, my radiance. It was a fine effort but I am adequately noble to advise you accordingly thus: I have faith in your ability to contribute in isolation.

<[email hidden]> scribbled in message news:[email hidden]... > It's a known fact that Starforce eats your grandmother. > That's not gonna sit well with my Grandfather, that's his job. -- See ya in the pits, Dean I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember how long it's been since I've forgotten anything.

[email hidden] (Ludwig) wrote: > you seek to bask in my reflected glory, my radiance. Ah, but my line had the advantage of being funny (if tasteless); yours was merely surreal. Now that might have gone down well with the Dali-ist wing of the newsgroup, but lately they've been a bit preoccupied with their lap times, on account of the dripping clocks. So, on balance, I'd say there was less basking and more slingshotting. You may be the sun, O illuminating one, but I was the perky little interplanetary probe borrowing a little of your gravitas to boost my profile. And for that I thank you. Andrew McP... a mere 20W candle bulb in your incandescent presence. ;-)

Usually nothing of notice. The problem is there aren't a lot of them. -Larry "Sean Cousins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:10:14 -0500, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>The whole Vista/HDCP Video thing is really going to piss people off when >>it >>hits. That's why I made sure my new LCD had HDCP support on the DVI port. > > How much more does an LCD with HDCP cost?

On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 02:26:41 -0500, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Usually nothing of notice. The problem is there aren't a lot of them. > >-Larry OK, thx. I'll stick with my trusty CRT for now then.

[email hidden] (Andrew MacPherson) wrote in news:[email hidden]: > Andrew McP... a mere 20W candle bulb in your incandescent presence. ;-) Is that an incandescent bulb or fluorescent ? dh