N4 stutters(again)

Yes, I know this was discussed before, and I'll do a more detailed search when I get home from work. :-) I tried running some races online last night. The 3 tracks were Texas, Daytona, and Richmond. My FPS kept 'jumping' between 37 and about 41. It made it a bit difficult to drive smoothly. The thing that puzzles me is I thought I had the problem FIXED. I had stuttering before, but after I added RAM it went away. I haven't run N4 online in a while, so I don't see how something could have gotten CHANGED... Athlon 1.2, 384MB, V5, win98se. I had disabled the anti-aliasing when it was suggested before, and it helped, along with RAM. Any quick fix to look for? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Eldred, I didn't see any previous posts you had on this, so sorry if I'm repeating things: -background programs shut down? -virus protection shut down? -virtual memory settings? -John "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Yes, I know this was discussed before, and I'll do a more detailed searchwhen > I get home from work. :-) > I tried running some races online last night. The 3 tracks were Texas, > Daytona, and Richmond. My FPS kept 'jumping' between 37 and about 41. Itmade > it a bit difficult to drive smoothly. The thing that puzzles me is Ithought I > had the problem FIXED. I had stuttering before, but after I added RAM itwent > away. I haven't run N4 online in a while, so I don't see how somethingcould > have gotten CHANGED... > Athlon 1.2, 384MB, V5, win98se. I had disabled the anti-aliasing when itwas > suggested before, and it helped, along with RAM. Any quick fix to lookfor?

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[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > Any quick fix to look for? 1. Wait a week or two. 2. Go to Best Buy. 3. Buy a GeForce 4 Ti4600. 4. Enjoy your 150 frames per second. Jason

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>[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in message >news:<[email hidden]>... > >> Any quick fix to look for? > >1. Wait a week or two. >2. Go to Best Buy. >3. Buy a GeForce 4 Ti4600. >4. Enjoy your 150 frames per second.

Nice thought, but not possible. No money. :( Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> writes: > Eldred, I didn't see any previous posts you had on this, so sorry if I'm >repeating things: >No problem...<g> >-background programs shut down?yes. >-virus protection shut down?yes. >-virtual memory settings?Don't recall what they are(I'm at work now). Can't see why whatever it's set at would work with every other program just fine, but not N4...<g> I did run a 50 lap race at Martinsville against the AI. It ran fine until about 7 or so laps to go. I got in a wreck with someone, and then the fps stuttered for the rest of the race. Looking at the race replay, it was smooth. Exit the race, start a new session. Still stuttering. Exit and start a new session again - it was smooth again. WTF? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 01 Mar 2002 15:30:02 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>>-virtual memory settings? >Don't recall what they are(I'm at work now). Can't see why whatever it's set >at would work with every other program just fine, but not N4...<g> >I did run a 50 lap race at Martinsville against the AI. It ran fine until >about 7 or so laps to go. I got in a wreck with someone, and then the fps >stuttered for the rest of the race. Looking at the race replay, it was smooth. > Exit the race, start a new session. Still stuttering. Exit and start a new >session again - it was smooth again. >WTF?

V-memorie is very important. I had (all of a sudden) big stuttering problems in GPL and N2002 too, exactly as you describe. A couple of days a post about v-mem was posted here and that solved my problem at once. Go to start->configuratiescherm (oh wait, you are probably not using the Dutch windows..) start->control panel, system, and under the tab performance you can select virtual memory. I have 256mb of ram and I set the vmem to a minimum of 1024mb and a max of 1024mb. Reset the machine and see if it works.. Andre

The $400 fix eh. Do you swat flies with a baseball bat? It is odd how the stuttering came outta nowhere and didn't do it before. jason moyer <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in messagenews:<[email hidden]>...

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> > > Any quick fix to look for? > > 1. Wait a week or two. > 2. Go to Best Buy. > 3. Buy a GeForce 4 Ti4600. > 4. Enjoy your 150 frames per second. > > Jason

Eldred, Have you set your MinFile Cache in system.ini? This took the stuttering away on my WinMe system with a Radeon card. Here's the entry that I use. In C:\Windows\system.ini [vcache] MinFileCache=51200 MaxFileCache=51200 Here's some MS knowledge base reading on the subject, not specific to frame stutter but, http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;Q253912&ID=KB;EN-US; Q253912 The nitty gritty; http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q108079 -- March 1, 2002 - Daytona Beach Florida Bike Week is here !

Bill Anderson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:zFOf8.106$[email hidden]...

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> The $400 fix eh. Do you swat flies with a baseball bat? > > It is odd how the stuttering came outta nowhere and didn't do it before. > > jason moyer <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in message > news:<[email hidden]>... > > > > > Any quick fix to look for? > > > > 1. Wait a week or two. > > 2. Go to Best Buy. > > 3. Buy a GeForce 4 Ti4600. > > 4. Enjoy your 150 frames per second. > > > > Jason >

Just a thought Eldred, you said that a recent slow down occured after a wreck at Martinsville. Might that V5 be struggling with the added work it has to do in drawing banged up cars. All those extra jagged textures may be throwing it a curve whereas it does ok with the slick, smooth 'unwrecked' car textures? Just throwing that out there, surely drawing the different examples of torn up skins has to affect performance somehow...

refresh rate? "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Yes, I know this was discussed before, and I'll do a more detailed searchwhen > I get home from work. :-) > I tried running some races online last night. The 3 tracks were Texas, > Daytona, and Richmond. My FPS kept 'jumping' between 37 and about 41. Itmade > it a bit difficult to drive smoothly. The thing that puzzles me is Ithought I > had the problem FIXED. I had stuttering before, but after I added RAM itwent > away. I haven't run N4 online in a while, so I don't see how somethingcould > have gotten CHANGED... > Athlon 1.2, 384MB, V5, win98se. I had disabled the anti-aliasing when itwas > suggested before, and it helped, along with RAM. Any quick fix to lookfor?

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> > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

if you have 256mb of memory how do you set the vmem to 1024mb. "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On 01 Mar 2002 15:30:02 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > >>-virtual memory settings? > >Don't recall what they are(I'm at work now). Can't see why whatever it'sset > >at would work with every other program just fine, but not N4...<g> > >I did run a 50 lap race at Martinsville against the AI. It ran fineuntil > >about 7 or so laps to go. I got in a wreck with someone, and then thefps > >stuttered for the rest of the race. Looking at the race replay, it wassmooth. > > Exit the race, start a new session. Still stuttering. Exit and start anew

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> >session again - it was smooth again. > >WTF? > > V-memorie is very important. I had (all of a sudden) big stuttering > problems in GPL and N2002 too, exactly as you describe. > A couple of days a post about v-mem was posted here and that solved my > problem at once. > Go to start->configuratiescherm (oh wait, you are probably not using > the Dutch windows..) start->control panel, system, and under the tab > performance you can select virtual memory. > I have 256mb of ram and I set the vmem to a minimum of 1024mb and a > max of 1024mb. > Reset the machine and see if it works.. > > Andre

On Fri, 01 Mar 2002 19:58:00 GMT, "Dennis Croll" <[email hidden]> wrote: >if you have 256mb of memory how do you set the vmem to 1024mb. Like I described in my post :-/ Andre

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>> V-memorie is very important. I had (all of a sudden) big stuttering >> problems in GPL and N2002 too, exactly as you describe. >> A couple of days a post about v-mem was posted here and that solved my >> problem at once. >> Go to start->configuratiescherm (oh wait, you are probably not using >> the Dutch windows..) start->control panel, system, and under the tab >> performance you can select virtual memory. >> I have 256mb of ram and I set the vmem to a minimum of 1024mb and a >> max of 1024mb. >> Reset the machine and see if it works.. >> >> Andre >

so you can set more virtual memory than you have in the computer is that right "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Fri, 01 Mar 2002 19:58:00 GMT, "Dennis Croll" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >if you have 256mb of memory how do you set the vmem to 1024mb. > > Like I described in my post :-/ > > Andre > > >> V-memorie is very important. I had (all of a sudden) big stuttering > >> problems in GPL and N2002 too, exactly as you describe. > >> A couple of days a post about v-mem was posted here and that solved my > >> problem at once. > >> Go to start->configuratiescherm (oh wait, you are probably not using > >> the Dutch windows..) start->control panel, system, and under the tab > >> performance you can select virtual memory. > >> I have 256mb of ram and I set the vmem to a minimum of 1024mb and a > >> max of 1024mb. > >> Reset the machine and see if it works.. > >> > >> Andre > > >

Dennis Croll <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:STRf8.30348$[email hidden]... > so you can set more virtual memory than you have in the computer is that > right > Yup, its called 'Windows', lol.

Thats why its called virtual memory. Virtual memory is the amount of hard drive space that windows can use to emulate physical memory, its not the same as the amount of physical memory. Looks like you might have gotten the 2 confused. -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash Dennis Croll <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:STRf8.30348$[email hidden]... > so you can set more virtual memory than you have in the computer is that > right > > "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Fri, 01 Mar 2002 19:58:00 GMT, "Dennis Croll" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >if you have 256mb of memory how do you set the vmem to 1024mb. > > > > Like I described in my post :-/ > > > > Andre > > > > >> V-memorie is very important. I had (all of a sudden) big stuttering > > >> problems in GPL and N2002 too, exactly as you describe. > > >> A couple of days a post about v-mem was posted here and that solved my > > >> problem at once. > > >> Go to start->configuratiescherm (oh wait, you are probably not using > > >> the Dutch windows..) start->control panel, system, and under the tab > > >> performance you can select virtual memory. > > >> I have 256mb of ram and I set the vmem to a minimum of 1024mb and a > > >> max of 1024mb. > > >> Reset the machine and see if it works.. > > >> > > >> Andre > > > > > > >

EldredP wrote:

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (jason moyer) writes: > > >[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in message > >news:<[email hidden]>... > > > >> Any quick fix to look for? > > > >1. Wait a week or two. > >2. Go to Best Buy. > >3. Buy a GeForce 4 Ti4600. > >4. Enjoy your 150 frames per second. > > Nice thought, but not possible. No money. :(

We're hiring Bus Drivers at Budget Eldred. :-P -- Fester "Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?" from alt.linux.mandrake NG

"Bill Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<zFOf8.106$[email hidden]>... > The $400 fix eh. Do you swat flies with a baseball bat? He has a Voodoo 5. It's 2002. Are you still using a CPU/motherboard combo that was released in 1998? Jason

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes: >I have 256mb of ram and I set the vmem to a minimum of 1024mb and a >max of 1024mb. >Reset the machine and see if it works.. That's better than leaving it set at 'no maximum'? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <ugQf8.39395$[email hidden]>, "rik zeppelin" <[email hidden]> writes: >refresh rate? Refresh rate is set to 'optimal', whatever THAT means. Monitor is a Compaq V75 - don't know what the rate is SUPPOSED to be. I'll have to find that... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (jason moyer) writes: >He has a Voodoo 5. It's 2002. > >Are you still using a CPU/motherboard combo that was released in 1998? > But the fact that it worked fine for 90% of the race tells me the hardware works FINE... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 02 Mar 2002 17:53:37 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, >[email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes: > >>I have 256mb of ram and I set the vmem to a minimum of 1024mb and a >>max of 1024mb. >>Reset the machine and see if it works.. > >That's better than leaving it set at 'no maximum'? > >Eldred

Good question.. I had it set to 'automatic' but since I set it to 1024 min and 1024 max I have no stuttering problems anymore. In the post on ras explaining this there was something mentioned that the ideal vmem setting would be 3 or 4 times your normal memory. I have 256mb so I set it to 1024. Andre

[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > But the fact that it worked fine for 90% of the race tells me the hardware > works FINE... Well. The software works fine on my hardware. So I'd guess it's either your hardware or the host operating system. =) Jason