Online key for GT Legends

Is anyone having problems getting their online key for GT Legends? I have contacted them by email and I'm not getting any response. I have tried calling them, but all their message boxes are full. Any ideas as to how I get them to respond? This really sucks and I would caution any future purchaser that this is a company that doesn't appear to give a shit about their customers.

Exactly which company did you contact? FYI Simbin has nothing to do with the distribution, they only develop the software. You should contact the american distributor at [email hidden]

"Wim Sj�holm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Exactly which company did you contact? FYI Simbin has nothing to do > with the distribution, they only develop the software. You should > contact the american distributor at [email hidden] > That is who I contacted. Sorry for the double posting.

Have you tried ringing on +1 877 848 6520. This number is on the GTL web site. Also try sending more emails, just in case. Andi. "alastair" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rnhIf.47550$[email hidden]...

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> > "Wim Sj�holm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> Exactly which company did you contact? FYI Simbin has nothing to do >> with the distribution, they only develop the software. You should >> contact the american distributor at [email hidden] >> > > That is who I contacted. > Sorry for the double posting. >

You could try [email hidden] as listed at RSC (which is back up btw). Andi. "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:43f1d19a$0$3603$[email hidden]...

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> Have you tried ringing on +1 877 848 6520. This number is on the GTL web > site. > > Also try sending more emails, just in case. > > Andi. > > > "alastair" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:rnhIf.47550$[email hidden]... >> >> "Wim Sj�holm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >>> Exactly which company did you contact? FYI Simbin has nothing to do >>> with the distribution, they only develop the software. You should >>> contact the american distributor at [email hidden] >>> >> >> That is who I contacted. >> Sorry for the double posting. >> > >

I done all of the above. The only person I can get a response from is the Press person and she can;t help out. Mitch\ "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:43f1d647$0$3609$[email hidden]...

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> You could try [email hidden] as listed at RSC (which is back up btw). > > Andi. > > > "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:43f1d19a$0$3603$[email hidden]... >> Have you tried ringing on +1 877 848 6520. This number is on the GTL web >> site. >> >> Also try sending more emails, just in case. >> >> Andi. >> >> >> "alastair" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:rnhIf.47550$[email hidden]... >>> >>> "Wim Sj�holm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:[email hidden]... >>>> Exactly which company did you contact? FYI Simbin has nothing to do >>>> with the distribution, they only develop the software. You should >>>> contact the american distributor at [email hidden] >>>> >>> >>> That is who I contacted. >>> Sorry for the double posting. >>> >> >> > >

I'm in the same boat as the rest of you. Had GTL since Sunday, and can't get it online. Very frustrating indeed. One thing to note though; I use Yahoo for my race mail. I usually dump my bulk folder without opening it. I did finally get an automated reply from Viva, at least telling me they had received the email, and it went to the bulk folder. So make sure you look there before dumping it... Fletch

In which case I think I'd post back at RSC where Eden7c may have some strings he can pull. Early on this all looked like it was being sorted out quite well. Andi. "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7AoIf.30042$[email hidden]...

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>I done all of the above. The only person I can get a response from is the >Press person and she can;t help out. > > Mitch\ > > "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:43f1d647$0$3609$[email hidden]... >> You could try [email hidden] as listed at RSC (which is back up btw). >> >> Andi. >> >> >> "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:43f1d19a$0$3603$[email hidden]... >>> Have you tried ringing on +1 877 848 6520. This number is on the GTL web >>> site. >>> >>> Also try sending more emails, just in case. >>> >>> Andi. >>> >>> >>> "alastair" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:rnhIf.47550$[email hidden]... >>>> >>>> "Wim Sj�holm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>> news:[email hidden]... >>>>> Exactly which company did you contact? FYI Simbin has nothing to do >>>>> with the distribution, they only develop the software. You should >>>>> contact the american distributor at [email hidden] >>>>> >>>> >>>> That is who I contacted. >>>> Sorry for the double posting. >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

I got a key within about an hour after emailing this guy. from RSC forum: Got a response from Viva Media. To all those concerned by this issue, write to them at [email hidden]. From what I've been told, some games were printed without the online key (and that's almost a direct quote from the reply). They should provide one for you. I GOT MY CD KEY~~ i emailed the guy and he just send me the CD KEY !!! GOOD STUFF !!! send him your bar code number and isbn number "alastair" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%BgIf.32810$[email hidden]...

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> Is anyone having problems getting their online key for GT Legends? I have > contacted them by email and I'm not getting any response. I have tried > calling them, but all their message boxes are full. Any ideas as to how I > get them to respond? This really sucks and I would caution any future > purchaser that this is a company that doesn't appear to give a shit about > their customers. >

I e mailed Tim at Viva and two hours later I had an apology and an online key. -- Richard "ZZ" Busch [URL]=http://gtr.gplrank.info/viewLaptimesbyUserId?user_id=14884]GTRank[/URL] Member: Screamers Racing League oAo AoA MARA GTR GT Rank +34.560 NGT Rank +37.765 GT Rank Monster +1163.777 GPL Rank + 14.768 MoGPL Rank + 308.654 N2003 Rank -18.8060 ---------------- Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- <a href="http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&amp;id=0&amp;t=1">Get Firefox!</a>

"Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:43f21930$0$6979$[email hidden]: > In which case I think I'd post back at RSC where Eden7c may have some > strings he can pull. Early on this all looked like it was being sorted > out quite well. > > Andi. > \ I had to email Tim twice. Both times I got a computer generated form letter saying a further response would be comming. I didn't get anything from the first email, but the 2nd came from Tim and included a code. He wrote his records showed I had already been sent an online code and he surmised my spam-bot may have eliminated the first reply. But I now have my key. Thanks to Tim. and the info from here and RSC. Keep trying, you have to figure they are being run ragged trying to get out from under this mess. dave henrie

From what I've read I suspect Tim took a breather, he probably needed it ;-) Andi. "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:43f21930$0$6979$[email hidden]: > >> In which case I think I'd post back at RSC where Eden7c may have some >> strings he can pull. Early on this all looked like it was being sorted >> out quite well. >> >> Andi. >> \ > > I had to email Tim twice. Both times I got a computer generated form > letter saying a further response would be comming. I didn't get anything > from the first email, but the 2nd came from Tim and included a code. > He wrote his records showed I had already been sent an online code and he > surmised my spam-bot may have eliminated the first reply. > But I now have my key. Thanks to Tim. and the info from here and RSC. > Keep trying, you have to figure they are being run ragged trying to get > out from under this mess. > > dave henrie >

I have to say, if you all just got it, you have (being a smart ellick here) buisness being online yet, do some of the challenges, sheesh! (really, dont take me wrong, I had my code but didnt know it, and was bothered by it at 1st but then it was a seek or 2 until i needed online) Grin. David Fletcher enlightened us with:

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> I'm in the same boat as the rest of you. Had GTL since Sunday, and > can't get it online. Very frustrating indeed. > > One thing to note though; I use Yahoo for my race mail. I usually dump > my bulk folder without opening it. I did finally get an automated > reply from Viva, at least telling me they had received the email, and > it went to the bulk folder. So make sure you look there before > dumping it... > > Fletch

I spent more than enough time offline with the demo I sure did not need another 5+ days and counting offline ;) Ive sent yet another round of emails from a different client and still nothing. Terrible service regardless the lame excuses Ive heard. Mitch "PlowBoy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:PyJIf.1872$et.608@dukeread12... >I have to say, if you all just got it, you have (being a smart ellick here) >buisness being online yet, do some of the challenges, sheesh! (really, >dont take me wrong, I had my code but didnt know it, and was bothered by it >at 1st but then it was a seek or 2 until i needed online) Grin.

Mitch_A enlightened us with: > I spent more than enough time offline with the demo I sure did not > need another 5+ days and counting offline ;) ROFLAMO, the demo you had 4 cars and 2 tracks (technically on track 2 configurations)... You can still have more fun than racing other no practice idiots, who cracked the game, and are running the 905's that have the skill of my 3 year old, ONLINE... Me, points you to "brians song" from monty python... "Always look on the bright side of life.... when you are chewing on life's grissle, dont grumble - give a-whistle, and soon you'll see things turn out for the best!!! Oh well, Wink Wink Nudge Nudge... and smileys and all that crap.

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> > Ive sent yet another round of emails from a different client and still > nothing. > > Terrible service regardless the lame excuses Ive heard. > > Mitch > > > "PlowBoy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:PyJIf.1872$et.608@dukeread12... >> I have to say, if you all just got it, you have (being a smart >> ellick here) buisness being online yet, do some of the challenges, >> sheesh! (really, dont take me wrong, I had my code but didnt know >> it, and was bothered by it at 1st but then it was a seek or 2 until >> i needed online) Grin.

You have checked your Spam filters and the like, I've heard of a few who didn't get a reply because it got blocked somewhere. Andi. "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:YNJIf.33197$[email hidden]...

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>I spent more than enough time offline with the demo I sure did not need >another 5+ days and counting offline ;) > > Ive sent yet another round of emails from a different client and still > nothing. > > Terrible service regardless the lame excuses Ive heard. > > Mitch > > > "PlowBoy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:PyJIf.1872$et.608@dukeread12... >>I have to say, if you all just got it, you have (being a smart ellick >>here) buisness being online yet, do some of the challenges, sheesh! >>(really, dont take me wrong, I had my code but didnt know it, and was >>bothered by it at 1st but then it was a seek or 2 until i needed online) >>Grin. > >

I've heard of a few requests being ignored due to the deplorable standards of English contained therein. Some among those proffering mails were incapable of constructing a coherent sentence, it is rumoured; their sentience akin to that of an intellectually challenged tree shrew.

NO?! you mean that maybe mean and or belligerent emails about missing key, might get pushed to the bottom of the pile, say it aint so... Ludwig enlightened us with: > I've heard of a few requests being ignored due to the deplorable > standards of English contained therein. > Some among those proffering mails were incapable of constructing a > coherent sentence, it is rumoured; their sentience akin to that of an > intellectually challenged tree shrew.

Thanks for your efforts Playboy. Unfortunately it would seem that dunder-headed half-wittedness constitutes the primary criterion for omission, as opposed to mere meanness and or belligerence. Tightfisted anger is not an entirely ennoble motive.

Not real sure why youre telling me this. If you prefer offline racing fine with me but I would rather race online. How you can turn that into a bad thing I dont understand? Not sure who youre racing against online but Id find another crowd if I were you :) On any given night I can find a few good races. Granted we have some idiots as well but they usually get bored quickly and move back to CS. Beyond that they are easily outrun by anyone with modest skills once youre past T1. Mitch "PlowBoy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qlKIf.2052$et.656@dukeread12... > You can still have more fun than racing other no practice idiots, who > cracked the game, and are running the 905's that have the skill of my 3 > year old, ONLINE... >

LOL... D'oh!!! Hey!? that a dig? Ludwig enlightened us with:

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> Thanks for your efforts Playboy. > > Unfortunately it would seem that dunder-headed half-wittedness > constitutes the primary criterion for omission, as opposed to mere > meanness and or belligerence. > > Tightfisted anger is not an entirely ennoble motive.

Oh but geez, wouldnt I be digressing if I attacked the subject I put at you, if I made *ALL* those concessions? all I was about was teasing ya, about looking on the BRIGHT SIDE, damn. Mitch_A enlightened us with:

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> Not real sure why youre telling me this. > > If you prefer offline racing fine with me but I would rather race > online. How you can turn that into a bad thing I dont understand? > > Not sure who youre racing against online but Id find another crowd if > I were you :) On any given night I can find a few good races. Granted > we have some idiots as well but they usually get bored > quickly and move back to CS. Beyond that they are easily outrun by > anyone with modest skills once youre past T1. > > Mitch > > > "PlowBoy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:qlKIf.2052$et.656@dukeread12... >> You can still have more fun than racing other no practice idiots, who >> cracked the game, and are running the 905's that have the skill of >> my 3 year old, ONLINE...

Thanks Playboy, I often look on the bright side also. I encourage this state of self delusion with a cocktail of Prozac and cheap vino locale, which I have shipped into my quarters by a circumcised monk called Alpho. It is rumoured that he procures it wholesale from Elisa, a conceited yet detumescing whore-ette who frequents Prio's dank dive of a bar off the palazzo three miles east of here.

Life is good then. hehehe (whisting) Ludwig wrote:

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> Thanks Playboy, I often look on the bright side also. I encourage this > state of self delusion with a cocktail of Prozac and cheap vino > locale, which I have shipped into my quarters by a circumcised monk > called Alpho. > > It is rumoured that he procures it wholesale from Elisa, a conceited > yet detumescing whore-ette who frequents Prio's dank dive of a bar > off the palazzo three miles east of here.

Finally got it. The receptionist gave it to me over the phone. As for Tim, when I "take a break" from my job I generally make sure the replacement can actually do my job ;) 6 days is not acceptable under these circumstances. Now if they would just fix the widespread Momo issues I can actually race this game on a regular basis :( Im still scratching my head as to why after all these months since initial release its still an issue for so many. You would think controller issues would take priority over everything else. Unless of course they do something really stupid, like forgetting the key stickers <vbseg> Mitch "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:43f30699$0$6966$[email hidden]... > From what I've read I suspect Tim took a breather, he probably needed it > ;-) > > Andi. > >

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> Finally got it. The receptionist gave it to me over the phone. > > As for Tim, when I "take a break" from my job I generally make sure the > replacement can actually do my job ;) 6 days is not acceptable under these > circumstances. > > Now if they would just fix the widespread Momo issues I can actually race > this game on a regular basis :( > > Im still scratching my head as to why after all these months since initial > release its still an issue for so many. You would think controller issues > would take priority over everything else. Unless of course they do > something really stupid, like forgetting the key stickers <vbseg> > > Mitch >

Mitch, I've fallen a little behind... but do you still have the web page with rFactor and GTL Momo configurations? Have you had any problems with the centering? I still have to go in and manually play with the setting in the player file to get the centering of the MOMO just right. It varies a little between GTL and rFactor. I don't have a TrackIR, but the new 4 Pro is tempting. Do you guys who have them really like using them? Any tips and or warnings? Thanks in advance, Scott -- Scott B. Husted http://www.Husted.cc

Mitch_A wrote: > 6 days is not acceptable under these circumstances. Under what circumstances? Heck, my wife reported a gas leak across the road so a guy checks with a meter which sure enough went sky high. He called in another team who drilled some holes in the pavement opposite our house to locate the leak (presumably with a meter rather than to find a hissing noise!). Chalked the pavement with a nice circle round the offending hole and a number and said another team would be along to dig up the pavement. That was 8 days ago! So in perspective you received an online code for a game faster than a gas company can get around to fixing a gas leak in the road!! Cheers Tony

Hi Scott. Yeah its up at http://aardvark.servebeer.com but I havent done anything recently. I keep getting sidetracked :) IIRC a few of the links no longer work (different ports) but if you want something thats unavailable let me know and Ill fix ya up. The sphanky settings are in their somewhere though. I also used the rFactor controller.ini settings in my GTL player.ini though and that may not be the right way to go about it but it works for me. The only downside is the oscillations coming out of the pits or if you take your hands off the wheel. I can live with that over the weak forces though. As for centering my wheel. While in the pit or not moving it always goes to the left but as soon as I move the car it centers ok without the artificial centering form the CP. I just make sure Ive ran the wheel through its full range of motion before I go onto the track. Its been this way since F1C days IIRC. I don;t use the TrackIR much in racing sims. I have it at the ready with a button push though and do use it for specific corners or exiting my pit garage. TrackIR seems much more suited to flight Sims imo but others use it all the time. Be prepared for a learning curve if you do make the jump. Arent you having a problem with your Momo losing connection occasionally? Not really losing the connection but it is no longer recognized in game till I go back to main options/controllers? Online the wheel seems a bit more finicky as well. And Im still missin swervin Irvan :) Mitch "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in

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>> > > Mitch, > > I've fallen a little behind... but do you still have the web page with > rFactor and GTL Momo configurations? Have you had any problems with the > centering? I still have to go in and manually play with the setting in > the player file to get the centering of the MOMO just right. It varies a > little between GTL and rFactor. > > I don't have a TrackIR, but the new 4 Pro is tempting. Do you guys who > have them really like using them? Any tips and or warnings? > > Thanks in advance, > Scott > > > > -- > Scott B. Husted > http://www.Husted.cc

The circumstances that they created by not sticking the sticker ;) I agree 8 days for a gas leak is much worse in the "big scheme" but that doesnt blunt the poor service from Viva either :) I hope you dont live near many smokers TR :)) Mitch "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:I%rJf.22128$[email hidden]...

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> Mitch_A wrote: >> 6 days is not acceptable under these circumstances. > > Under what circumstances? > > Heck, my wife reported a gas leak across the road so a guy checks with a > meter which sure enough went sky high. He called in another team who > drilled some holes in the pavement opposite our house to locate the leak > (presumably with a meter rather than to find a hissing noise!). Chalked > the pavement with a nice circle round the offending hole and a number and > said another team would be along to dig up the pavement. > > That was 8 days ago! > > So in perspective you received an online code for a game faster than a gas > company can get around to fixing a gas leak in the road!! > > Cheers > Tony > > > >

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> Hi Scott. Yeah its up at http://aardvark.servebeer.com but I havent done > anything recently. I keep getting sidetracked :) IIRC a few of the links > no longer work (different ports) but if you want something thats unavailable > let me know and Ill fix ya up. The sphanky settings are in their somewhere > though. I also used the rFactor controller.ini settings in my GTL > player.ini though and that may not be the right way to go about it but it > works for me. The only downside is the oscillations coming out of the pits > or if you take your hands off the wheel. I can live with that over the weak > forces though. > > As for centering my wheel. While in the pit or not moving it always goes to > the left but as soon as I move the car it centers ok without the artificial > centering form the CP. I just make sure Ive ran the wheel through its full > range of motion before I go onto the track. Its been this way since F1C > days IIRC. > > I don;t use the TrackIR much in racing sims. I have it at the ready with a > button push though and do use it for specific corners or exiting my pit > garage. TrackIR seems much more suited to flight Sims imo but others use it > all the time. Be prepared for a learning curve if you do make the jump. > > Arent you having a problem with your Momo losing connection occasionally? > Not really losing the connection but it is no longer recognized in game till > I go back to main options/controllers? Online the wheel seems a bit more > finicky as well. > > And Im still missin swervin Irvan :) > > Mitch >

LOL Thanks for all the info Mitch. I've been layed up with the flu all week and going bonkers. So when I'm feeling up to it, I've been running some GTL. I haven't had any problems with the MOMO losing connection or recognition so far. Are you using the wingman software at all? I haven't set up any profiles and everytime I do, I never end up firing the software up anyways. Mostly right now I'm just experimenting with graphics settings and trying to get the most balance out of the sims performance. My "ancient" system I'm using is a P4 3gig with 2 gigs of PC3200 DDR. I'm using an AGP ATI X800XT All-In-Wonder 256mb video card and Audigy Gamer sound card. Not exactly cutting edge by todays standards, and the longest I've ever had a core component setup in a PC without a rebuild. I'm hoping to rebuild this fall/winter after VISTA if I can hold off that long. In offline with 29AI, I stay between 25 - 60 fps depending on the track and number of cars around. I don't notice too much stuttering, but it happens on occasion. I have the driver hands/feet turned off... but I'm split on whether I like having it turned on or off. I'm running at 1024X768X32 with Level 1 AA and DX9. -- Scott B. Husted http://www.Husted.cc

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> Hi Scott. Yeah its up at http://aardvark.servebeer.com but I havent done > anything recently. I keep getting sidetracked :) IIRC a few of the links > no longer work (different ports) but if you want something thats unavailable > let me know and Ill fix ya up. The sphanky settings are in their somewhere > though. I also used the rFactor controller.ini settings in my GTL > player.ini though and that may not be the right way to go about it but it > works for me. The only downside is the oscillations coming out of the pits > or if you take your hands off the wheel. I can live with that over the weak > forces though. > > As for centering my wheel. While in the pit or not moving it always goes to > the left but as soon as I move the car it centers ok without the artificial > centering form the CP. I just make sure Ive ran the wheel through its full > range of motion before I go onto the track. Its been this way since F1C > days IIRC. > > I don;t use the TrackIR much in racing sims. I have it at the ready with a > button push though and do use it for specific corners or exiting my pit > garage. TrackIR seems much more suited to flight Sims imo but others use it > all the time. Be prepared for a learning curve if you do make the jump. > > Arent you having a problem with your Momo losing connection occasionally? > Not really losing the connection but it is no longer recognized in game till > I go back to main options/controllers? Online the wheel seems a bit more > finicky as well. > > And Im still missin swervin Irvan :) > > Mitch > > "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in > >>Mitch, >> >>I've fallen a little behind... but do you still have the web page with >>rFactor and GTL Momo configurations? Have you had any problems with the >>centering? I still have to go in and manually play with the setting in >>the player file to get the centering of the MOMO just right. It varies a >>little between GTL and rFactor. >> >>I don't have a TrackIR, but the new 4 Pro is tempting. Do you guys who >>have them really like using them? Any tips and or warnings? >> >>Thanks in advance, >>Scott >> >> >> >>-- >>Scott B. Husted >>http://www.Husted.cc > > >

BTW.. I can't seem to get your page to load, is it down? -- Scott B. Husted http://www.Husted.cc

Mitch_A wrote: > The circumstances that they created by not sticking the sticker ;) > > I agree 8 days for a gas leak is much worse in the "big scheme" but that > doesnt blunt the poor service from Viva either :) > > I hope you dont live near many smokers TR :)) I've had to turn down the sound in GTL - the backfires just got me too nervous :) Once you've got everything sorted we'll have to arrange an American muscle vs Brit GT session soon Mitch! Cheers Tony

Scott, I highly recommend the TrackIR. I couldn't imagine driving without it. For me, the key to getting used to it was to make my own setup. The stock setups moves your view too much with very little movements of your head. So I made a setup that was less sensitive and it feels great. > I don't have a TrackIR, but the new 4 Pro is tempting. Do you guys who > have them really like using them? Any tips and or warnings? > > Thanks in advance, > Scott

Ooops. Forgot I used the port for GTL ;) All should be ok soon. If you want to go in before the dns propagates go here http://70.231.184.151:81 "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in

[email hidden] (Scott B. Husted) wrote: > Any tips and or warnings? I struggled and gave up with a TIR1, but recently bought a 4 for 3d cockpit support in a flight sim. Maybe I'll get used to that with the improved (but far from perfect) TIR4, but I doubt I'll get used to it in racing sims. It's great to lean forward, back, and look around in GTL, but boy, does it screw up my cornering! I tend to look round the corner and forget to steer enough. Years of using visual feedback to tell me how the cornering is going are hard to overcome, and I doubt I'll try. I enjoy racing too much as it is, and don't race online enough to make the most of the ability to glance around intuitively. Andrew McP

You forget Mitch, according to the developers everyone drives with their thumbs now... -Larry "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:H_oJf.21719$[email hidden]...

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> Finally got it. The receptionist gave it to me over the phone. > > As for Tim, when I "take a break" from my job I generally make sure the > replacement can actually do my job ;) 6 days is not acceptable under > these circumstances. > > Now if they would just fix the widespread Momo issues I can actually race > this game on a regular basis :( > > Im still scratching my head as to why after all these months since initial > release its still an issue for so many. You would think controller issues > would take priority over everything else. Unless of course they do > something really stupid, like forgetting the key stickers <vbseg> > > Mitch > > > "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:43f30699$0$6966$[email hidden]... >> From what I've read I suspect Tim took a breather, he probably needed it >> ;-) >> >> Andi. >> >> > >