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26 posts by 12 people · 28 Aug 2002 09:51 UTC - 29 Aug 2002 08:28 UTC

Skepticism over Racing Legends render on West Racing site

An update to the West Racing site showed attractive images for the long-awaited Racing Legends. Schooner and others dismissed them as 3D Studio Max renders that said little about the actual game, while Doug Ellison, David Powell and Mike defended the developers and argued the renders showed real game assets. The exchange reflected growing impatience over the lack of in-game shots or a demo.

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lg042-5 28 Aug 2002 09:51 UTC#100577
West-racing has been updated... The graphics look just gorgeous but I wonder if I could buy the video card to run the game. AL
"lg042-5" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aki6a6$5tg$[email hidden]... > West-racing has been updated... > The graphics look just gorgeous but I wonder if I could buy the video card > to run the game. > AL > > I think it is just a case of good quality and well lit textures rather than alot of gfx card killing polygons. Looks lovely anyway, showoffs :P All the best, Ash http://www.siroccoracing.com
What's to say this isn't just a drawing? Don't mean to be negative but nothing about that tells you much, it could be in game still or a scene that would look great and run at 2 fps. "lg042-5" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aki6a6$5tg$[email hidden]... > West-racing has been updated... > The graphics look just gorgeous but I wonder if I could buy the video card > to run the game. > AL > >
"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ZV1b9.28130$[email hidden]... > What's to say this isn't just a drawing? > Don't mean to be negative but nothing about that tells you much, it couldbe > in game still or a scene that would look great and run at 2 fps. It's a 3d max render. No secret there. Doug
Yup, so means little as far as game play goes. "Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:akiask$1i9pe9$[email hidden]... > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ZV1b9.28130$[email hidden]... > > What's to say this isn't just a drawing? > > Don't mean to be negative but nothing about that tells you much, itcould
Quoted text (8 lines)> be > > in game still or a scene that would look great and run at 2 fps. > > It's a 3d max render. No secret there. > > Doug > >
Mike 28 Aug 2002 12:59 UTC↳ reply to Schooner#100590
Negative negative negative, they get pestered day in and out to update the web site with news, and when they do always someone ready to shoot them down. Blimey if I was them I would say sod it.
"Mike" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FO3b9.4378$[email hidden]... > Negative negative negative, they get pestered day in and out to update the > web site with news, and when they do always someone ready to shoot them > down. Blimey if I was them I would say sod it. If I were them - I would have given up a long time ago. According the webcam - the cat's now on the case :O DOug
In article <FO3b9.4378$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Negative negative negative, they get pestered day in and out to update the > web site with news, and when they do always someone ready to shoot them > down. Blimey if I was them I would say sod it. At this point, would anybody really care? And I think that the point here is, what good does it do us to see 3D renderings? They are not representative of what the game will look like if it is ever released so who cares? -- ________________________ Todd Walker http://twalker.d2g.com ________________________
Exactly. Are they designing the box the game comes in or the game itself. I think everyone would be more interested in seeing an actual in game shot of something that an artist concept of what it might look like in the prefect world. It's not being negative, its being realistic. "Todd Walker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <FO3b9.4378$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > Negative negative negative, they get pestered day in and out to updatethe
Quoted text (14 lines)> > web site with news, and when they do always someone ready to shoot them > > down. Blimey if I was them I would say sod it. > > At this point, would anybody really care? > > And I think that the point here is, what good does it do us to see 3D > renderings? They are not representative of what the game will look like > if it is ever released so who cares? > > -- > ________________________ > Todd Walker > http://twalker.d2g.com > ________________________
its representative as there there the objects they will use you fool.... Todd Walker <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <FO3b9.4378$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > Negative negative negative, they get pestered day in and out to updatethe
Quoted text (14 lines)> > web site with news, and when they do always someone ready to shoot them > > down. Blimey if I was them I would say sod it. > > At this point, would anybody really care? > > And I think that the point here is, what good does it do us to see 3D > renderings? They are not representative of what the game will look like > if it is ever released so who cares? > > -- > ________________________ > Todd Walker > http://twalker.d2g.com > ________________________
I suspect you might or you wouldnt be posting :) "Todd Walker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <FO3b9.4378$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > Negative negative negative, they get pestered day in and out to updatethe
Quoted text (14 lines)> > web site with news, and when they do always someone ready to shoot them > > down. Blimey if I was them I would say sod it. > > At this point, would anybody really care? > > And I think that the point here is, what good does it do us to see 3D > renderings? They are not representative of what the game will look like > if it is ever released so who cares? > > -- > ________________________ > Todd Walker > http://twalker.d2g.com > ________________________
Yes it's concept art, nothing more. It's how that translates to the gaming engine that will be the key. "David Powell clara.co.uk>" <DavidPowell@<nospam> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (9 lines)> its representative as there there the objects they will use you fool.... > > Todd Walker <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <FO3b9.4378$[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] says... > > > Negative negative negative, they get pestered day in and out to update > the > > > web site with news, and when they do always someone ready to shoot
them
Quoted text (15 lines)> > > down. Blimey if I was them I would say sod it. > > > > At this point, would anybody really care? > > > > And I think that the point here is, what good does it do us to see 3D > > renderings? They are not representative of what the game will look like > > if it is ever released so who cares? > > > > -- > > ________________________ > > Todd Walker > > http://twalker.d2g.com > > ________________________ > >
so ironic, infact the greatest example of irony consistantly used in newsgroups is the I dont care (yet im posting).... here is a class example.... <Warren_B> look Powell, i dont care what you think, so go to hell... idiots like you should be locked away great isnt it :) Mike <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:nH4b9.4645$[email hidden]...
Quoted text (9 lines)> I suspect you might or you wouldnt be posting :) > > "Todd Walker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <FO3b9.4378$[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] says... > > > Negative negative negative, they get pestered day in and out to update > the > > > web site with news, and when they do always someone ready to shoot
them
Quoted text (15 lines)> > > down. Blimey if I was them I would say sod it. > > > > At this point, would anybody really care? > > > > And I think that the point here is, what good does it do us to see 3D > > renderings? They are not representative of what the game will look like > > if it is ever released so who cares? > > > > -- > > ________________________ > > Todd Walker > > http://twalker.d2g.com > > ________________________ > >
Mike 28 Aug 2002 14:08 UTC↳ reply to Schooner#100607
Yep, probably right, they have it all looking nice in MAX then pass through an exporter to make the textures look naff, change all the objects and generally mess it up. "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MJ4b9.28245$[email hidden]...
Quoted text (12 lines)> Yes it's concept art, nothing more. > It's how that translates to the gaming engine that will be the key. > > "David Powell clara.co.uk>" <DavidPowell@<nospam> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > its representative as there there the objects they will use you fool.... > > > > Todd Walker <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > In article <FO3b9.4378$[email hidden]>, > > > [email hidden] says... > > > > Negative negative negative, they get pestered day in and out to
update
Quoted text (9 lines)> > the > > > > web site with news, and when they do always someone ready to shoot > them > > > > down. Blimey if I was them I would say sod it. > > > > > > At this point, would anybody really care? > > > > > > And I think that the point here is, what good does it do us to see 3D > > > renderings? They are not representative of what the game will look
like
Quoted text (11 lines)> > > if it is ever released so who cares? > > > > > > -- > > > ________________________ > > > Todd Walker > > > http://twalker.d2g.com > > > ________________________ > > > > > >
As DP's so kindly informed you <g>, 3DSMax is where the objects for the game get created before being imported. Plus, it does offer a glimpse of their aesthetic sense and the "look & feel" they want the game to have. Solid value in that, even without a 150FPS readout in the corner of the screen. Besides, have you seen ANY other simracing game screens that looked remotely as good? Some real talent there; good on ya, guys - go to it... SB "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:yg4b9.28223$[email hidden]...
Quoted text (14 lines)> Exactly. > Are they designing the box the game comes in or the game itself. > I think everyone would be more interested in seeing an actual in game shot > of something that an artist concept of what it might look like in the > prefect world. > It's not being negative, its being realistic. > > "Todd Walker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <FO3b9.4378$[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] says... > > > Negative negative negative, they get pestered day in and out to update > the > > > web site with news, and when they do always someone ready to shoot
them
Quoted text (15 lines)> > > down. Blimey if I was them I would say sod it. > > > > At this point, would anybody really care? > > > > And I think that the point here is, what good does it do us to see 3D > > renderings? They are not representative of what the game will look like > > if it is ever released so who cares? > > > > -- > > ________________________ > > Todd Walker > > http://twalker.d2g.com > > ________________________ > >
no....they are trackside objects that will implanted into the game (same way everyone makes game GFX, just ATM with current hardware your cant push em around at full wack)....Im sure by the time Mr GF5 arrives and the joy of the 3000hzs CPU itll push images of that render about at full chat on 1024x1024pixel textures without batting an eyelid... Schooner <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MJ4b9.28245$[email hidden]...
Quoted text (12 lines)> Yes it's concept art, nothing more. > It's how that translates to the gaming engine that will be the key. > > "David Powell clara.co.uk>" <DavidPowell@<nospam> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > its representative as there there the objects they will use you fool.... > > > > Todd Walker <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > In article <FO3b9.4378$[email hidden]>, > > > [email hidden] says... > > > > Negative negative negative, they get pestered day in and out to
update
Quoted text (9 lines)> > the > > > > web site with news, and when they do always someone ready to shoot > them > > > > down. Blimey if I was them I would say sod it. > > > > > > At this point, would anybody really care? > > > > > > And I think that the point here is, what good does it do us to see 3D > > > renderings? They are not representative of what the game will look
like
Quoted text (11 lines)> > > if it is ever released so who cares? > > > > > > -- > > > ________________________ > > > Todd Walker > > > http://twalker.d2g.com > > > ________________________ > > > > > >
Yes I care how RL is going, but I don't care so much to see 3D Studio images that will not translate directly as shown. I'm interested in seeing real in game shots which to date there have not been any. Sorry for sounding negative but to date nothing has been shown proving what the game will be like. Any artist could replicate what they have shown, without even knowing anything about racing or sims in general, just take an old photo and create a similar image in 3D studio. "David Powell clara.co.uk>" <DavidPowell@<nospam> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > so ironic, infact the greatest example of irony consistantly used in > newsgroups is the I dont care (yet im posting).... > > here is a class example.... > > <Warren_B> look Powell, i dont care what you think, so go to hell...idiots
Quoted text (14 lines)> like you should be locked away > > great isnt it :) > > > Mike <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:nH4b9.4645$[email hidden]... > > I suspect you might or you wouldnt be posting :) > > > > "Todd Walker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > In article <FO3b9.4378$[email hidden]>, > > > [email hidden] says... > > > > Negative negative negative, they get pestered day in and out to
update
Quoted text (9 lines)> > the > > > > web site with news, and when they do always someone ready to shoot > them > > > > down. Blimey if I was them I would say sod it. > > > > > > At this point, would anybody really care? > > > > > > And I think that the point here is, what good does it do us to see 3D > > > renderings? They are not representative of what the game will look
like
Quoted text (11 lines)> > > if it is ever released so who cares? > > > > > > -- > > > ________________________ > > > Todd Walker > > > http://twalker.d2g.com > > > ________________________ > > > > > >
these chaps also forget the first image you get as you enter the west site (lotus49), is very much identical to what id expect to see ingame. Also should be noted, that you can remove body panels, open doors on cars etc, I think they still believe RL will look like a load of 2D bitmaps like GPL, a shocks afoot i think... Steve Blankenship <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WR4b9.245474$[email hidden]... > As DP's so kindly informed you <g>, 3DSMax is where the objects for thegame > get created before being imported. Plus, it does offer a glimpse of their > aesthetic sense and the "look & feel" they want the game to have. Solid > value in that, even without a 150FPS readout in the corner of the screen. > Besides, have you seen ANY other simracing game screens that lookedremotely
Quoted text (11 lines)> as good? > > Some real talent there; good on ya, guys - go to it... > > SB > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:yg4b9.28223$[email hidden]... > > Exactly. > > Are they designing the box the game comes in or the game itself. > > I think everyone would be more interested in seeing an actual in game
shot
Quoted text (9 lines)> > of something that an artist concept of what it might look like in the > > prefect world. > > It's not being negative, its being realistic. > > > > "Todd Walker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > In article <FO3b9.4378$[email hidden]>, > > > [email hidden] says... > > > > Negative negative negative, they get pestered day in and out to
update
Quoted text (9 lines)> > the > > > > web site with news, and when they do always someone ready to shoot > them > > > > down. Blimey if I was them I would say sod it. > > > > > > At this point, would anybody really care? > > > > > > And I think that the point here is, what good does it do us to see 3D > > > renderings? They are not representative of what the game will look
like
Quoted text (11 lines)> > > if it is ever released so who cares? > > > > > > -- > > > ________________________ > > > Todd Walker > > > http://twalker.d2g.com > > > ________________________ > > > > > >
It looks like a render to me, and well.. most companys release renders of their games, before the ingame shots looks good enough. But it gives you an impression of how it might look like "lg042-5" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aki6a6$5tg$[email hidden]... > West-racing has been updated... > The graphics look just gorgeous but I wonder if I could buy the video card > to run the game. > AL > >
"lg042-5" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aki6a6$5tg$[email hidden]... > West-racing has been updated... > The graphics look just gorgeous but I wonder if I could buy the video card > to run the game. > AL > > dont worry...by the time its gets out they give gf4s for free
Mike 28 Aug 2002 19:59 UTC↳ reply to KiDCoDEa#100494
You should go proffessional, that joke is so funny and original. "KiDCoDEa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1030554773.90349@spynews3... > > "lg042-5" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:aki6a6$5tg$[email hidden]... > > West-racing has been updated... > > The graphics look just gorgeous but I wonder if I could buy the videocard
Quoted text (8 lines)> > to run the game. > > AL > > > > > > dont worry...by the time its gets out they give gf4s for free > >
I say it's most likely a render, same with the opening page car shot. Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aki9t1$bn8$[email hidden]... > "lg042-5" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:aki6a6$5tg$[email hidden]... > > West-racing has been updated... > > The graphics look just gorgeous but I wonder if I could buy the videocard > > to run the game. > > AL > > > > > > I think it is just a case of good quality and well lit textures ratherthan
Quoted text (7 lines)> alot of gfx card killing polygons. Looks lovely anyway, showoffs :P > > All the best, > Ash > http://www.siroccoracing.com > >
All the first screenshots for CMR3 were just renders. I was amaaazed at first at the 'screenshots', then they released real screenshots and the car models looked a lot more like car models I'm used to seeing in games. Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com "Mike" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wP4b9.4693$[email hidden]... > Yep, probably right, they have it all looking nice in MAX then passthrough
Quoted text (11 lines)> an exporter to make the textures look naff, change all the objects and > generally mess it up. > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:MJ4b9.28245$[email hidden]... > > Yes it's concept art, nothing more. > > It's how that translates to the gaming engine that will be the key. > > > > "David Powell clara.co.uk>" <DavidPowell@<nospam> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > its representative as there there the objects they will use you
fool....
Quoted text (15 lines)> > > > > > Todd Walker <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > In article <FO3b9.4378$[email hidden]>, > > > > [email hidden] says... > > > > > Negative negative negative, they get pestered day in and out to > update > > > the > > > > > web site with news, and when they do always someone ready to shoot > > them > > > > > down. Blimey if I was them I would say sod it. > > > > > > > > At this point, would anybody really care? > > > > > > > > And I think that the point here is, what good does it do us to see
3D
Quoted text (15 lines)> > > > renderings? They are not representative of what the game will look > like > > > > if it is ever released so who cares? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ________________________ > > > > Todd Walker > > > > http://twalker.d2g.com > > > > ________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > >
>"lg042-5" <[email hidden]> wrote > The graphics look just gorgeous but I wonder if I could buy the video card > to run the game. <mumbles and remember the failed promises of "it will run great on a P3-500!!"> -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...
ymenard 29 Aug 2002 00:02 UTC↳ reply to Mike#100536
>"Mike" <[email hidden]> wrote > Yep, probably right, they have it all looking nice in MAX then passthrough > an exporter to make the textures look naff, change all the objects and > generally mess it up. Uhh Mike, that's what gaming developers have done for all those years. Really, they all do that, all the time. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...
"Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:UHab9.37997$[email hidden]... > I say it's most likely a render, same with the opening page car shot. > > Mike > http://mikebeauchamp.com > Yep, it is - but I think it shows the quality of the textures and models involved :) All the best, Ash

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