rec.autos.simulators

I remember the first time I encountered a wet race in World Circuit.  "hmmm.. they've
dulled the colour palette down to simulate the low light conditions.  I'm impressed", I
thought as I sat on the grid.  Then the light went green and Alesi's car threw a huge
rooster tail up in my face.  Wow.  I almost reached for my glasses to wipe the
spray off.  

C'mon Papyrus.  You dropped the ball on this one (not to mention the invisible
pace car).

Stephen Ferguson

"There's a madness to my method"

Ya, but they picked the ball back up, & kicked everyone elses ***
with the h2h modem connection. I was completely wrong about my worries of
the framerate being poor for ICR h2h. Can U say "real time racing"?  Simply
awesome. 100% better than F1GP. Period...

Why is everyone complaining about the modem play on F1GP?  I've hooked two
486's together with a null modem cable and was able to get 25fps on each.  
I haven't tried a modem connection.  Was there a problem with this?  We
had a great time playing over the null modem cable and had no complaints.

Stephen Ferguson

Because... F1GP's modem play is VERY CPU intensive. I had a 386/16 with a
14400 modem. My friend had a 486/33 with a 14400 modem. I was getting very
acceptable framerates with my 386/16. Once we connected the framerate was
a slide show. The connection was 9600. In all probability, if I tried
F1GP modem play with my 486DX2 66mhz, I would not have this problem, if
my friend has similar equiptment. As for ICR modem play??? Totaly flawless.
Same framerate as the normal game. THe number of opponants did not effect
framerate either. When I tried F1GP there were only 2 cars. The framerate was
just horrible. My theory had been, that 2 fast CPU's were required at
9600 baud.

: Why is everyone complaining about the modem play on F1GP?  I've hooked two
: 486's together with a null modem cable and was able to get 25fps on each.  
: I haven't tried a modem connection.  Was there a problem with this?  We
: had a great time playing over the null modem cable and had no complaints.

That's pretty impressive seeing as the game was only designed to run at
15 FPS. :)

Jim

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You are correct for ICR. The origional poster was talking about F1GP
which will do 25fps. (check your included text.)

: >Why is everyone complaining about the modem play on F1GP?

: Because... F1GP's modem play is VERY CPU intensive. I had a 386/16 with a
: 14400 modem. My friend had a 486/33 with a 14400 modem. I was getting very
: acceptable framerates with my 386/16. Once we connected the framerate was
: a slide show. The connection was 9600. In all probability, if I tried
: F1GP modem play with my 486DX2 66mhz, I would not have this problem, if
: my friend has similar equiptment. As for ICR modem play??? Totaly flawless.
: Same framerate as the normal game.

One thing to note though, is that the ICR normal game is unplayable on
anything like a 386-16....so the question really should be, how
does ICR play h2h with a 386-25 and a 486-66..? Does it not slow the
486 player down at all?

RQ

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: That's pretty impressive seeing as the game was only designed to run at
: 15 FPS. :)

Then why does it let you set the fps rate to 25 fps?? Its definitely
smooth, and if you have the CPU horsepower, it will run that smooth at
100% CPU efficiency.

RQ

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        Funny, we had this problem at first attempt, but after really tweaking
the modem init strings, it ran smooth as silk.  It's been a while since playing
F1GP (I admit to being into ICR now, as well :) so I don't remember the
particulars about the settings, but when we stumbled on the right one she
clicked in beautifully.  Sorry, but I just didn't notice these problems being
discussed here, thought other people may want to hear the encouragement as
well.  I do remember it was a bit 'picky' about the strings... but what game
isn't that supports modem's? :)
        Agreed, ICR works just fine over the modem (with less tweaking and
modem manual leafing :).  "Plug-and-play"! :)
        I must also say the two machines were: <mine> 386-dx40 4 Meg
                                              <other> 486-dx33 8 Meg
.... for what it's worth, but the 386 should have held things up if it was
going to, I think.

ICR Question.......
        One question though, just what is the justification of not being
able to run a championship season under modem play?  Why single tracks?
Or have I missed something, which is entirely possible, outside of doc
look-ups and a early read at first, the manual is not my best "friend" when
it comes to games :)  Don't recall reading anything about this non-ability
anywhere though.  Of course at the time, the modem option didn't work so
I didn't spend a lot of time reading about it.....  Any clues?

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Guess I should have said each COMPUTER.  (each GAME may have been implied by my
ambiguous wording)

Stephen Ferguson

"There's a madness to my method"

Sure... There is no "save game" feature for ICR. A h2h season would in
all likely-hood not be done in 1 sitting. So... I think a "save game"
option would be required. Since they have *NO* plans for implimenting
a "save game" feature, I think we should be happy with the single
tracks. By far, ICR is the best h2h "real time" game I've played.

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Disclaimer: Nothing I say is anything other than my personal opinion.

--- yes, but correct me if I'm wrong an ENTIRE season doesn't have to
be finished in one sitting, that is "saved" after each race weekend is
finished.  Just the RACE would have to be finished in that sitting, you
could pick it up again the next day from loading it via the "Season
Menu-Continue Season" could you not?
--- Minor complaint, though, there must be some reason why it can't be done.
Besides that, agreed!  Best h2h real time game I've played!  (Kicks Doom
and is even marginally better than F1GP, which was also pretty 'snappy' :)

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