rec.autos.simulators

by **Ruud van Ga** » Sat, 15 Jun 2002 04:17:41

Hi there,

The latest GPLex (well, we're at 1.4 something) can convert the entire
Nurburgring from GPL to sections.

Here's a shot from Racer:

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Notes:
- Thanks to MH for converting & uploading this picture
- Sorry about that Ferrari P4, it's one of the uglier cars by now
- The black lines is just the groove un-alpha'd
- The low FPS rate is just because the ENTIRE high LOD Ring
is painted EVERY frame. So considering that, it's not bad. ;-)

Working on getting trackside objects out of the file as well.

Nice stuff. :)

And ofcourse this would mean a conversion for F12K2 could be done as
well.

Ruud van Gaal
Free car sim: http://www.racesimcentral.net/
Pencil art : http://www.racesimcentral.net/

by **J. Todd Wass** » Sat, 15 Jun 2002 07:11:13

BRAVO !!!

Todd Wasson
---
Performance Simulations
Drag Racing and Top Speed Prediction
Software
http://PerformanceSimulations.Com

My little car sim screenshots:
http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm

by **jason moy** » Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:07:19

Ruud, you are my hero. Between Racer and this I think everyone owes
you an incredible amount of gratitude.

Jason

by **Ruud van Ga** » Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:30:48

Thanks, Jason (& Todd). :)
You're welcome. Hope this also has some options for F12K* users, as I
know there are enough people who can't stand Racer's single player
action. :)

Ruud van Gaal
Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/
Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

by **Andreas Nystr?** » Sun, 16 Jun 2002 01:10:14

lol. there are many that cant stand F12k2 multiplayer either, so there is
one of everyone :)

The only drawback with your program is that it takes away sparetime ;)
I sat last night to try to improve Rouen, but it seems that the vrml<->vrl
converter i have
is screwing up the texturing. Guess i have find another converter :)

> >Ruud, you are my hero. Between Racer and this I think everyone owes
> >you an incredible amount of gratitude.

> Thanks, Jason (& Todd). :)
> You're welcome. Hope this also has some options for F12K* users, as I
> know there are enough people who can't stand Racer's single player
> action. :)

> Ruud van Gaal
> Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/
> Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

by **Ruud van Ga** » Sun, 16 Jun 2002 02:19:52

Hm, guess I'll have to fix that MP bug then. :) Not that it really
does anything remotely to workable multiplayer then.

Hehe, what do you think it does to MY time? ;-)

What's wrong with the texturing?
I've heard someone say GPLex 1.2 gave reversed texture coordinates,
but v1.3 and v1.4 reversed some coordinates of the track (always nice
to avoid those mirrors; oh, damn, GPLmirror, lol, not much of a
problem anymore, might be a nice option).
So in the end, reverse upon reverse may have ended up right again! :)
Hard to see with grass.

Or it might be rotated; I had to rotate some of another track's
texture. After all, I have to convert from GPL's XYZ to X,Z,-Y, so
there's some rotation going on.

In other words, probably not VRL2VRML's fault, I guess. Would be quite
hard.

Ruud van Gaal
Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/
Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

by **Ian Bel** » Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:09:00

Yes it does Ruud, and thanks a bunch for the tool. About 50% there for
F1-2002. Asphalt and grass and kerbing is all in with textures. Just adding
trees bit by bit now. Maybe a few weeks to completion and GT V3 if it keeps
going as smoothly as it has up to now (famous last words).

Thanks again

Ian

> >lol. there are many that cant stand F12k2 multiplayer either, so there is
> >one of everyone :)

> Hm, guess I'll have to fix that MP bug then. :) Not that it really
> does anything remotely to workable multiplayer then.

> >The only drawback with your program is that it takes away sparetime ;)

> Hehe, what do you think it does to MY time? ;-)

> >I sat last night to try to improve Rouen, but it seems that the
vrml<->vrl
> >converter i have
> >is screwing up the texturing. Guess i have find another converter :)

> What's wrong with the texturing?
> I've heard someone say GPLex 1.2 gave reversed texture coordinates,
> but v1.3 and v1.4 reversed some coordinates of the track (always nice
> to avoid those mirrors; oh, damn, GPLmirror, lol, not much of a
> problem anymore, might be a nice option).
> So in the end, reverse upon reverse may have ended up right again! :)
> Hard to see with grass.

> Or it might be rotated; I had to rotate some of another track's
> texture. After all, I have to convert from GPL's XYZ to X,Z,-Y, so
> there's some rotation going on.

> In other words, probably not VRL2VRML's fault, I guess. Would be quite
> hard.

> Ruud van Gaal
> Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/
> Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

by **Ruud van Ga** » Sun, 16 Jun 2002 22:00:29

On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 01:09:00 +0100, "Ian Bell"

>Yes it does Ruud, and thanks a bunch for the tool. About 50% there for
>F1-2002. Asphalt and grass and kerbing is all in with textures. Just adding
>trees bit by bit now. Maybe a few weeks to completion and GT V3 if it keeps
>going as smoothly as it has up to now (famous last words).

Ian, I've got a GPLex v1.5 here that exports trackside objects as
well. It's just that it doesn't handle similar objects.
So if you have a tree that is used in 10 places, you only get 1 tree
(the last seen probably). What I have to do in Racer at least is to be
able to reuse models (as for the Ring, a lot of trees are probably
reused very heavily).
Don't exactly know how this works in SCGT; it seems from the tracks
I've seen that similar trees would still be exported as 2 different
models (just with different locations).
I could do an export modification so that it creates 2 tree models for
the same tree (just a different position); let me know if you need
this. Otherwise, I'm going the Racer way and re-use models where
possible, with just a translation/rotation added.

Still some issues with texture coordinates, or perhaps the MIP->TGA
batch conversion, but those are the things even I could take for
granted and do by hand (crowds standing upside down sometimes for
example).

Ruud van Gaal
Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/
Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

by **Ruud van Ga** » Sun, 16 Jun 2002 22:03:38

On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 01:09:00 +0100, "Ian Bell"

>Yes it does Ruud, and thanks a bunch for the tool.

PS GPLex v1.5 is downloadble by now from my site. Downloads -> Beta ->
GPLex.

Ruud van Gaal
Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/
Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

by **Ian Bel** » Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:18:01

Thanks Ruud, yes, I noticed this and was manually working my way round
adding an extrusion for tree walls (with a few stragetically placed 3D trees
too). Grabbing the latest version now. I was over the moon just to get
track,kerbs,grass etc in :-)

Thanks again

Ian
www.simbin.com

> On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 01:09:00 +0100, "Ian Bell"

> >Yes it does Ruud, and thanks a bunch for the tool.

> PS GPLex v1.5 is downloadble by now from my site. Downloads -> Beta ->
> GPLex.

> Ruud van Gaal
> Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/
> Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

by **Magnus** » Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:34:45

This is IMO the biggest thing in the sim racing community in a long
time!!! At least since the release of FIA GT V3 :-) !! I'm _SO_
grateful to anyone involved in conveting the Ring!!!!!

/Magnus T

- - - GP Track Database - - - http://magnust.d2g.com - - -

> Thanks Ruud, yes, I noticed this and was manually working my way round
> adding an extrusion for tree walls (with a few stragetically placed 3D trees
> too). Grabbing the latest version now. I was over the moon just to get
> track,kerbs,grass etc in :-)

> Thanks again

> Ian
> www.simbin.com

> > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 01:09:00 +0100, "Ian Bell"

> > >Yes it does Ruud, and thanks a bunch for the tool.

> > PS GPLex v1.5 is downloadble by now from my site. Downloads -> Beta ->
> > GPLex.

> > Ruud van Gaal
> > Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/
> > Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

by **Ruud van Ga** » Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:13:33

On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 15:18:01 +0100, "Ian Bell"

>Thanks Ruud, yes, I noticed this and was manually working my way round
>adding an extrusion for tree walls (with a few stragetically placed 3D trees
>too). Grabbing the latest version now. I was over the moon just to get
>track,kerbs,grass etc in :-)

I might create the indexed version of GPLex tonight, if I get the
chance. A couple of real-work deadlines (and the fact that it's about
30 degrees here) isn't helping though.

That version will also unpack the .dat file for you (not that that was
anything cunning). :)

Ruud van Gaal
Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/
Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

by **Uwe Schuerkam** » Wed, 19 Jun 2002 20:18:24

that's great news! Does this mean I can do all my track
converting natively under Linux then?

Cheers & don't move too much. We have 33C, rising, it's hell!
;-)

uwe

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by **Ruud van Ga** » Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:05:40

On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:18:24 +0200, Uwe Schuerkamp

>> That version will also unpack the .dat file for you (not that that was
>> anything cunning). :)

>that's great news! Does this mean I can do all my track
>converting natively under Linux then?

Yep, that was the idea. :) I also intend to do a 1-click button which
goes from a .dat file all the way to exporting everything it can.
You still then need to do a little bit of trackwork (a camera,
timelines etc).

We've been promised rain tonight here fortunately! ;-)
Must dance some more to make sure it really gets here, lol.

Ruud van Gaal
Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/
Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

by **Uwe Schuerkam** » Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:22:15

Ruud, you are my hero. Great stuff, and even better news for
Racer.

Uwe

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