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Short E3 Update

Don Chapma

Short E3 Update

by Don Chapma » Sat, 30 May 1998 04:00:00

So far, things are looking slim(at least in number) for pure racing sims
being shown at E3. There are plenty of Need for Speed/POD/MotoRacer type
arcade racers, but the only true sims I've seen so far have been Nascar 3
and Grand Prix Legends. Nascar 3 seems to be in alpha, but it does have the
true 3D***pit and Legends physics model, which is cool. The new***pit
really gives a more immersive feel when driving, and of course your view
shifts and changes as you drive down on the apron, or scrape the wall. Very
similar to the feel you get from the***pit view in SODA. Nascar 3 will
have Rendition and 3DFX specific ports and force feedback, but I think that
has been common knowledge for awhile.

I tried out both Microsoft and Thrustmaster's force feedback steering
controllers. Microsoft's feels a little cheap, and the force feedback felt
more like the Nintendo 64 rumble pak just vibrating. It did not feel like it
was giving me specific feedback based on how I was driving. However, this
could have been a function of the game that was being demoed, Need for Speed
III.
Thrustmaster's Nascar Force GT seemed a little better. That was demoed with
Andretti Racing. They said it would be available for Christmas and would
retail for around $180, but I think that is what they told me last year.
Thrustmaster also has 3 other products coming:
1)Nascar Sprint - economy model (retail $69.99) with paddles for
accelerator/brake
2)Nascar Super Sport - not sure where this one falls, the by line said
"Uncompromising Performance" and features a stainless steel wheel shaft
3)Nascar Pro Digital - digital/USB version of the Nascar Pro

By far the coolest thing I have seen so far is the Nascar Silicon Motor
Speedway that was setup at the 3DFX booth. This is the Nascar simulation
that started at Mall of America last summer. They had a 2 car setup - mini
Nascar's on hydraulics. About 180 degree wrap around screen with fully
functioning Nascar gear shift and clutch. The track was C***te and we
raced about 4 laps. After the race you receive a printout of your finish
position and detailed timing for each lap, including turn 2 and 4 exit
speeds, top speeds, etc. It felt very simlar to Nascar 2, but the guy I
talked to said it was a propritary engine written specifically for them(not
by Papyrus). It was definitley running on 3DFX boards. They have just opened
up another one in Chicago, and there are plans for Dallas and LA this year.
I need one of these at my house! On the more affordable***pit front, I
checked out a $200***pit kit that seemed sturdy, flexible, and looked
pretty sleek. I'm sure you could probably build one of these on your own if
you were mechanically inclined, but I'm not. Check them out at
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Oh yeah, I got to meet Christian Fittipaldi at the Psygnosis Newman-Haas
Racing booth. He signed an autograph for my wife(he is her favorite driver).
They were showing the Playstation and PC versions of the game, which seemed
like a cross between EA's Andretti Racing and Psygnosis F1 Racing - there
were some licensed cars and tracks, and some "fantasy". So not really a good
thing "sim" wise. In fact, this is the only upcoming CART or IRL Indycar
game of any kind being shown for the PC. So it looks like I will still be
playing Indycar II(CART Racing) for a little while longer. Good thing we
have great sites like
The Sim Project keeping that game alive.

Anyway, tomorrow I am going to try to check out GT Interactive's Trans AM
Racing, and get more info on Nascar 3, Grand Prix Legends, and the rumored
Gran Turismo PC conversion.

Don Chapman

DPHI

Short E3 Update

by DPHI » Sat, 30 May 1998 04:00:00

>Anyway, tomorrow I am going to try to check out GT Interactive's Trans AM<BR>
>Racing, and get more info on Nascar 3, Grand Prix Legends, and the
>rumored<BR>
>Gran Turismo PC conversion.<BR>
><BR>
>Don Chapman<BR>

><BR>
><BR>
></HTML>

Don,

Thanks for the report, looking forward to more!

Don Hodgdon

Marc J. Nelso

Short E3 Update

by Marc J. Nelso » Sat, 30 May 1998 04:00:00

Wow!  Mucho gracias for the report Don.  Looks like some neat items
are heading our way for x-mas!  =)

Looking forward to what you see tomorrow!

Cheers!

Marc


> So far, things are looking slim(at least in number) for pure racing sims
> being shown at E3. There are plenty of Need for Speed/POD/MotoRacer type
> arcade racers, but the only true sims I've seen so far have been Nascar 3
> and Grand Prix Legends. Nascar 3 seems to be in alpha, but it does have the
> true 3D***pit and Legends physics model, which is cool. The new***pit
> really gives a more immersive feel when driving, and of course your view
> shifts and changes as you drive down on the apron, or scrape the wall. Very
> similar to the feel you get from the***pit view in SODA. Nascar 3 will
> have Rendition and 3DFX specific ports and force feedback, but I think that
> has been common knowledge for awhile.

> I tried out both Microsoft and Thrustmaster's force feedback steering
> controllers. Microsoft's feels a little cheap, and the force feedback felt
> more like the Nintendo 64 rumble pak just vibrating. It did not feel like it
> was giving me specific feedback based on how I was driving. However, this
> could have been a function of the game that was being demoed, Need for Speed
> III.
> Thrustmaster's Nascar Force GT seemed a little better. That was demoed with
> Andretti Racing. They said it would be available for Christmas and would
> retail for around $180, but I think that is what they told me last year.
> Thrustmaster also has 3 other products coming:
> 1)Nascar Sprint - economy model (retail $69.99) with paddles for
> accelerator/brake
> 2)Nascar Super Sport - not sure where this one falls, the by line said
> "Uncompromising Performance" and features a stainless steel wheel shaft
> 3)Nascar Pro Digital - digital/USB version of the Nascar Pro

> By far the coolest thing I have seen so far is the Nascar Silicon Motor
> Speedway that was setup at the 3DFX booth. This is the Nascar simulation
> that started at Mall of America last summer. They had a 2 car setup - mini
> Nascar's on hydraulics. About 180 degree wrap around screen with fully
> functioning Nascar gear shift and clutch. The track was C***te and we
> raced about 4 laps. After the race you receive a printout of your finish
> position and detailed timing for each lap, including turn 2 and 4 exit
> speeds, top speeds, etc. It felt very simlar to Nascar 2, but the guy I
> talked to said it was a propritary engine written specifically for them(not
> by Papyrus). It was definitley running on 3DFX boards. They have just opened
> up another one in Chicago, and there are plans for Dallas and LA this year.
> I need one of these at my house! On the more affordable***pit front, I
> checked out a $200***pit kit that seemed sturdy, flexible, and looked
> pretty sleek. I'm sure you could probably build one of these on your own if
> you were mechanically inclined, but I'm not. Check them out at
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> Oh yeah, I got to meet Christian Fittipaldi at the Psygnosis Newman-Haas
> Racing booth. He signed an autograph for my wife(he is her favorite driver).
> They were showing the Playstation and PC versions of the game, which seemed
> like a cross between EA's Andretti Racing and Psygnosis F1 Racing - there
> were some licensed cars and tracks, and some "fantasy". So not really a good
> thing "sim" wise. In fact, this is the only upcoming CART or IRL Indycar
> game of any kind being shown for the PC. So it looks like I will still be
> playing Indycar II(CART Racing) for a little while longer. Good thing we
> have great sites like
> The Sim Project keeping that game alive.

> Anyway, tomorrow I am going to try to check out GT Interactive's Trans AM
> Racing, and get more info on Nascar 3, Grand Prix Legends, and the rumored
> Gran Turismo PC conversion.

> Don Chapman


--
Marc J. Nelson
Sim Racing News - http://www.racesimcentral.net/

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ymenar

Short E3 Update

by ymenar » Sat, 30 May 1998 04:00:00

Don Chapman wrote

<snip snip snip>

Wow thanks !! If you read this... could you try to check out the release
date of Nascar3 and GP-Legends ?? GPL is near gold, I'm sure, but there is a
stupid newssite that said that Nascar3 was delayed until Spring 1999.

They don't seem to be a reliable source, since they tell a Playstation
version of Nascar3, who is not AFAIK in Papyrus's plans (many many reasons I
could tell).

Oh, remember... Spy photos of Nascar3 !!!!! P.L.E.A.S.E. ;-)

Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-)

Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
Member of the r.a.s. Ego-maniac club
Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking)
Excuse me for being provocative (I'm dumb speaking)

--"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

Ayrton McKafr

Short E3 Update

by Ayrton McKafr » Sat, 30 May 1998 04:00:00

DPHII escribi en mensaje

>>Anyway, tomorrow I am going to try to check out GT Interactive's Trans
AM<BR>
>>Racing, and get more info on Nascar 3, Grand Prix Legends, and the
>>rumored<BR>
>>Gran Turismo PC conversion.<BR>
>><BR>
>>Don Chapman<BR>

>><BR>
>><BR>
>></HTML>

>Don,

>Thanks for the report, looking forward to more!

>Don Hodgdon

me too ..

Ayrton McKafre

Yoshihiko Minam

Short E3 Update

by Yoshihiko Minam » Sun, 31 May 1998 04:00:00

Thanks Mr. Chapman, your valuable post is the fastest and really exciting!
I really want to see NASCAR3 3D-cockpit!  ... anyway, I read GrandPrixLegend
will out around 8 July, Could you confirm this anticipate date?

Really thanks. =)

Yoshihiko Minami

>Anyway, tomorrow I am going to try to check out GT Interactive's Trans AM
>Racing, and get more info on Nascar 3, Grand Prix Legends, and the rumored
>Gran Turismo PC conversion.

>Don Chapman


Edwin Solhei

Short E3 Update

by Edwin Solhei » Sun, 31 May 1998 04:00:00


>I really want to see NASCAR3 3D-cockpit!  ... anyway, I read
GrandPrixLegend
>will out around 8 July, Could you confirm this anticipate date?

AFAIK, GPL wont ship until August at the earliest...
I could be wrong tho....

Best,
Edwin Solheim
Check out The Paddock for some great GPL stuff...
(http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock)

Edwin Solhei

Short E3 Update

by Edwin Solhei » Sun, 31 May 1998 04:00:00


>I really want to see NASCAR3 3D-cockpit!  ... anyway, I read
GrandPrixLegend
>will out around 8 July, Could you confirm this anticipate date?

AFAIK, GPL wont ship until August at the earliest...
I could be wrong tho....

Best,
Edwin Solheim
Check out The Paddock for some great GPL stuff...
(http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock)

Sean778

Short E3 Update

by Sean778 » Mon, 01 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Thanks for the report, have you seen anything on *** Interactive's
Professional Sports Car Racing game?

-Sean O'

Yoshihiko Minam

Short E3 Update

by Yoshihiko Minam » Mon, 01 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Thanks kindly, I read that date at Japanese retailer's site.
Not only American retailers, but also Japanese ones are  hasty too. =)

Yoshihiko Minami

Johnie18

Short E3 Update

by Johnie18 » Tue, 02 Jun 1998 04:00:00

I work at Nascar Silicon Motor Speedway in Chicago, we have not yet opened.
Opening is anticipated to be some time the week of 6/1. The Grand Opening will
be 6/23 with Dale Earnhardt and Michael Watrip appearing.

NSMS is the closet simulation to real stock car racing Ive ever seen.  After a
race you come out sweating.  There are currently 2 tracks avail to race,
C***te and Richmond, with more slated to be released soon.  

They also offer leagues and a "Cup" series with a $1000 grand prize.  If anyone
gets up to the Chicago area, email me for details



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