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by **Sigmu** » Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Many of the flaws of GP3 have been well documented but here's another
that i haven't seen anyone mention yet.

If you get into a crash and lose your front or rear wing (or both) you
can still fly around the track without losing much time at all, in
fact if you do lose a wing during a race it's better to just stay out
and keep racing until your next scheduled stop rather than pitting and
wasting time fixing the lost wing!

The missing wings have so little effect on your downforce that it's
ridiculous, at Imola in practice i did 15 laps with the fastest being
lap at around a 1:28:00 when i accidentaly ran into the rear of a
slower car at turn #1, i lost my front wing, however i stayed out and
kept practicing and 3 laps later i did a 1:27:00 lap, so i got a full
second faster with no front wing! that's just plain bad physics, talk
about a total lack of realism. I will admit the game is somewhat fun,
bad graphics and all, but it's way too easy, it's feels far more like
an arcade racer than a true sim, even with all driving aids turned
off, it's just not challenging and not realistic at all.

BTW, to those defending GP3 by saying that those of us who complain
about the realism have no idea what we're talking about because we've
never driven an F1 car, read the following interview with John Cooke,
he's a man who has 30 years experience racing in Formula cars and he
talked about GP3's lack of a realism while being interviewed about
WSC, read the comments from "jc" at the bottom of the page i'm linking
to and for that matter the whole interview from page 1, it's about WSC
but they talk about GP3 quite a bit as well througout the interview:
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

by **Dave** » Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Hmmm,I wonder if there was an open bar at E3. 8^)
This is a businessman speaking with business interest.
Keep repeating that FFB sucks,I'll keep enjoying my Force RS with
gated shifter.
When was the last time JC drove a '98 spec F1 car?Ever?
Real F1 drivers heap praise on certain sims they're involved
with,doesn't mean much though.Remember it's about $$$$$$$.

Dave

(waiting for my copy of GP3 to arrive in the US)

by **Bendit** » Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:00:00

>Real F1 drivers heap praise on certain sims they're involved
>with,doesn't mean much though.Remember it's about $$$$$$$.

Also, it depends on their knowledge of computers and their expectation
of what computers can do. If they've never seen a racing sim on a computer,
and then they try one for the first time, they're apt to be blinded by the
novelty of the experience. But it can go either way. They may have
unreasonably high expectations of what a computer can do, and, for example,
detest the lack of feedback that even the best racing sim can provide (e.g.
"seat-of-the-pants" feedback). I prefer to rely on the experiences of
racing-car drivers who actively and routinely play a variety of racing sim
games, such as Juan Montoya, whose favourite sims are GPL and GP2.

Bendito;

by **Mike Cai** » Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Arr there you are. You are still at it, you gave up on our discussion on
this and moved here.
Oh my god they laughed at a funny comment from a F2 driver, they must hate
the game.

> >BTW, to those defending GP3 by saying that those of us who complain
> >about the realism have no idea what we're talking about because we've
> >never driven an F1 car, read the following interview with John Cooke,
> >he's a man who has 30 years experience racing in Formula cars and he
> >talked about GP3's lack of a realism while being interviewed about
> >WSC, read the comments from "jc" at the bottom of the page i'm linking
> >to and for that matter the whole interview from page 1, it's about WSC
> >but they talk about GP3 quite a bit as well througout the interview:

>http://www.simracingnews.com/newscenter/e3/articles/westracing/page5....

> I read it.

> Did you think it was cool that they laughed at GP3?

> I didn't.

> Also, did you notice that he had trouble even driving GP3
> in a 'straight line'? You don't have that problem do you?
> I mean, you are turning good laps at Imola, and he can't even
> drive it in a straight line. Pretty pathetic, I'd say..

> Maybe they were stoned.

by **RCFU** » Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:00:00

I don't think that John Cooke ever drove a F1 car with grove tires. Most
drivers complain that the car feels numb, that it's hard to drive on the edge,
also that there very little feedback from the tires.. Have him drive a current
F1 car and then we will see.

Thanks

Steven

by **Greg Cisk** » Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Well it really only proves that a F2 driver (or any real driver
for that matter) may have little meaningful input as far as PC
driving games go. I tried explaining that to John Wallace some
time ago, but I think my point was not believed.

Until we can feel the real G forces, the point is moot. So he
laughed... Big deal. Allot of people are laughing at GP3 and
it does not mean any more or less.

--

by **Bern** » Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:00:00

This guy is one of the owners of HyperStimulator. He turns in very fast lap
times in gpl, go to their site and check out the championship. The
qualifying times He and the other participants put up were comparable with
hotlap records of the time. So yes he does know about PC driving games.

> > Mike, have you any idea why the 'champion' F2 driver couldn't
> > drive GP3 in a 'straight line'? In all honesty it is a little odd,
> > don't you think? Seems to me a sim should be given a -chance-
> > before dissing it. Particularly by those who haven't created
> > one. Just my 2 cents.

> Well it really only proves that a F2 driver (or any real driver
> for that matter) may have little meaningful input as far as PC
> driving games go. I tried explaining that to John Wallace some
> time ago, but I think my point was not believed.

> Until we can feel the real G forces, the point is moot. So he
> laughed... Big deal. Allot of people are laughing at GP3 and
> it does not mean any more or less.

> --

by **Peter Ive** » Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:00:00

writes

I see no-one in this thread has bothered to address this other statement
about the damage to the front wing not having any kind of detrimental
affect on the driving. What say you guys?
--
Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington)
Remove ALL_STRESS before replying

No person's opinions can be said to be
more correct than another's, because each is
the sole judge of his or her own experience.

by **N..** » Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:00:00

On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 18:29:21 +0100, Peter Ives

I'll have to test it to see for myself. But, if it's true then it
doesn't bode well from my perspective. In F1200 you can feel the
difference when you lose a wing.
--
Nos

by **Tony Rickar** » Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:00:00

My own experience - I lost a front plate on one side of the front wing and
was noticeably struggling for front end grip.

> On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 18:29:21 +0100, Peter Ives

> >I see no-one in this thread has bothered to address this other statement
> >about the damage to the front wing not having any kind of detrimental
> >affect on the driving. What say you guys?

> I'll have to test it to see for myself. But, if it's true then it
> doesn't bode well from my perspective. In F1200 you can feel the
> difference when you lose a wing.
> --
> Nos

by **N..** » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00

On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 18:56:59 GMT, "Tony Rickard"

In GP3 or F12K.
--
Nos

by **Mike Cai** » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Sorry rrevved, me again :O) My take on this is, they were at E3, so I dont
think he had any chance to set the controllers up to suit his style, so any
comments made or stories told were relating to the current time and place.
Perhaps it is unfortunate that the interview appeared as GP3 came out.

> >Arr there you are. You are still at it, you gave up on our discussion on
> >this and moved here.
> >Oh my god they laughed at a funny comment from a F2 driver, they must
hate
> >the game.

> Mike, have you any idea why the 'champion' F2 driver couldn't
> drive GP3 in a 'straight line'? In all honesty it is a little odd,
> don't you think? Seems to me a sim should be given a -chance-
> before dissing it. Particularly by those who haven't created
> one. Just my 2 cents.

> >> >BTW, to those defending GP3 by saying that those of us who complain
> >> >about the realism have no idea what we're talking about because we've
> >> >never driven an F1 car, read the following interview with John Cooke,
> >> >he's a man who has 30 years experience racing in Formula cars and he
> >> >talked about GP3's lack of a realism while being interviewed about
> >> >WSC, read the comments from "jc" at the bottom of the page i'm linking
> >> >to and for that matter the whole interview from page 1, it's about WSC
> >> >but they talk about GP3 quite a bit as well througout the interview:

>>http://www.simracingnews.com/newscenter/e3/articles/westracing/page5....

> >> I read it.

> >> Did you think it was cool that they laughed at GP3?

> >> I didn't.

> >> Also, did you notice that he had trouble even driving GP3
> >> in a 'straight line'? You don't have that problem do you?
> >> I mean, you are turning good laps at Imola, and he can't even
> >> drive it in a straight line. Pretty pathetic, I'd say..

> >> Maybe they were stoned.

by **Peter Hoope** » Fri, 04 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Can only speak of my own experience so far (and I am pretty good at losing
front wings so I know what I am talking about here ;O).. I lost the front
wing after going into the back of Schumacher at the 3rd chicane of the last
lap whilst taking part in a race at Hockenheim the other day and as I was
pushing to get on the podium I decided to try to take the following right
hander into the stadium section in exactly the same way as I had been doing
with the wing intact. I realised that this was a BIG MISTAKE after plowing
strraight across the grass and into the wall due to the lack of grip the
car now had. The lack of a front wing certainly made one hell of a
difference as far as I am concerned....

PH

by **Chris Bloo** » Sun, 06 Aug 2000 04:00:00

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Might I suggest that you should have been trying a bit harder when you did
have your front wing?

Chris

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by **Lorne Glustei** » Sun, 06 Aug 2000 04:00:00

I just noticed something a little strange....but I havent had the time
to test it out fully (by going back in the game and doing it again).
Ok... I find when I lose a front OR rear wing the car becomes noticably
harder to drive (as it should be), but I just had a race at Monaco (Ace)
where I lost both front AND rear wings (dont ask ..lol)... and I was able
to get lap times that were FAR better than I can get with a front OR rear
wing loss... and they actually were not that far off my normal times when
my car is in perfect condition. I know the car becomes more "balanced"
with both wings lost (as opposed to one wing lost) and Monaco does
have a lot of slow corners where a car in perfect condition would not be
getting much downforce...but I was still somewhat shocked by how well
the car performed with no wings... I`ll need to check this out again. . .

Lorne
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> --

> > Many of the flaws of GP3 have been well documented but here's another
> > that i haven't seen anyone mention yet.

> > If you get into a crash and lose your front or rear wing (or both) you
> > can still fly around the track without losing much time at all, in
> > fact if you do lose a wing during a race it's better to just stay out
> > and keep racing until your next scheduled stop rather than pitting and
> > wasting time fixing the lost wing!

> > The missing wings have so little effect on your downforce that it's
> > ridiculous, at Imola in practice i did 15 laps with the fastest being
> > lap at around a 1:28:00 when i accidentaly ran into the rear of a
> > slower car at turn #1, i lost my front wing, however i stayed out and
> > kept practicing and 3 laps later i did a 1:27:00 lap, so i got a full
> > second faster with no front wing! that's just plain bad physics, talk
> > about a total lack of realism. I will admit the game is somewhat fun,
> > bad graphics and all, but it's way too easy, it's feels far more like
> > an arcade racer than a true sim, even with all driving aids turned
> > off, it's just not challenging and not realistic at all.

> Might I suggest that you should have been trying a bit harder when you did
> have your front wing?

> Chris

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