rec.autos.simulators

by BP » Sun, 03 Mar 2002 23:29:21

I finally broke down and bought a PS2. I've been racing for years on
PCs, since Ferrari F1 on the Amiga, Revs, World Circuit, Grand Prix
Legends, etc.

Now, I have GT on the PS2. Yes, as a game it seems cool, but how the
hell does anyone drive the damn car with a gamepad??? Digital mode sucks
big time, but analog isn't much better. It's taken me longer to get in a
complete clean lap in a slow car in GT than at the top level in Grand
Prix Legends.

Am I missing something? Why are these games so popular on consoles when
driving with something other than a wheel (I use a TSW) is so difficult?

by **Kevin F. Gavit** » Mon, 04 Mar 2002 00:04:19

> I finally broke down and bought a PS2. I've been racing for years on
> PCs, since Ferrari F1 on the Amiga, Revs, World Circuit, Grand Prix
> Legends, etc.

> Now, I have GT on the PS2. Yes, as a game it seems cool, but how the
> hell does anyone drive the damn car with a gamepad??? Digital mode sucks
> big time, but analog isn't much better. It's taken me longer to get in a
> complete clean lap in a slow car in GT than at the top level in Grand
> Prix Legends.

> Am I missing something? Why are these games so popular on consoles when
> driving with something other than a wheel (I use a TSW) is so difficult?

Because the great unwashed masses don't know any better?

KFG

by **Chris H** » Mon, 04 Mar 2002 00:15:59

It takes time, especially with GT3. Pass all the license testing and then
small by running races in the Arcade mode and graduate to the Amateur races.
But, until you conquer the licenses, you'll not see everything the game has
to offer. And things get more difficult as you progress, because tire wear
and oil usage comes into play. Take a look at what classes of vehicles are
running the individual races before you enter.
--
Chris H.

by **Juan Vizos** » Mon, 04 Mar 2002 02:20:56

Time for a bit of a rant here..... gamepads suck for driving... and they
make your thumbs hurt!! Anyone remember Sensi soccer !! And yet the media
continue to promote them for driving with!
I have yet to see one mainstream tv 'pc game' programme which
EVER dealt with steering wheels and pedals and force feedback in any way....
oh sure, they'll have the wheel -- plugged in ---lying on the presenter's
table top and as it squirms all over the desk they'll mention the ff... but
no one spends the time to even set them up , let alone compare them! And no
one seems to remember feet! Part of the joy of getting 'in the zone' with a
good driving sim is the hand-feet-eye coordination thing..a bit like a
drummer using both hands and both feet to play different beats ... ( no def
leppard jokes here please ) ... well yes you would too if you had to .. but
we need to educate the masses so they have at least an informed choice!!!
jv

by **Todd Walke** » Mon, 04 Mar 2002 02:27:23

I have GT3 on the PS2 as well. I'll start by saying, the graphics are
gorgeous and the detail on the car models is astounding, but the gameplay
is nothing more than arcade. It isn't even close to being a sim and never
will be.

Having said that, it is a fun game. I use the analog sticks for sterring
and accelerating/braking. I use the left for steering and the right for
accel/brake. It's kinda like driving a remote controlled car. I use the
trigger buttons for shifting gears and controlling the views (all TWO of
them ;-) Try that setup and see if it is easier to get used to. It is
most definitely easier on the thumbs...

--
__________________________
Todd Walker
http://twalker.d2g.com
__________________________

by **Michael Sisso** » Mon, 04 Mar 2002 03:12:38

My cousin and I had a lap time competition a couple weekends ago with
GT1. I have never liked driving with the analogue PS pads, BUT, it is
certainly possible. He was kicking my ***for most of the night, until I
got used to the PS controller. Once that happened, the GPL training came
into play, and I trounced him.

Once you need not concentrate on the 'hows' of the sticks, it is just
another way to steer the car.

by **Milhous** » Mon, 04 Mar 2002 03:37:20

Replying to this as my newsserver has yet to show the original post (it does
this ALL the time)...

> It takes time, especially with GT3. Pass all the license testing and then
> small by running races in the Arcade mode and graduate to the Amateur
races.
> But, until you conquer the licenses, you'll not see everything the game
has
> to offer. And things get more difficult as you progress, because tire
wear
> and oil usage comes into play. Take a look at what classes of vehicles
are
> running the individual races before you enter.
> --
> Chris H.

> > I finally broke down and bought a PS2. I've been racing for years on
> > PCs, since Ferrari F1 on the Amiga, Revs, World Circuit, Grand Prix
> > Legends, etc.

> > Now, I have GT on the PS2. Yes, as a game it seems cool, but how the
> > hell does anyone drive the damn car with a gamepad??? Digital mode
sucks
> > big time, but analog isn't much better. It's taken me longer to get in
a
> > complete clean lap in a slow car in GT than at the top level in Grand
> > Prix Legends.

> > Am I missing something? Why are these games so popular on consoles when
> > driving with something other than a wheel (I use a TSW) is so difficult?

Go on eBay and pick up any of the rather cheap Logitech Formula Force
wheels...or if there's an original blue wheel (without the buttons all over
it) go for that too. Plug it into the USB. Enjoy GT3 the way it was meant
to be enjoyed.

I'm with you. I can't drive it hardly at all with the sticks / pads. But
give me a Logi FF wheel any day and it's awesome... (I've got two Logi FF
wheels, the original blue one I got new and the red one I snagged cheaply on
eBay.)

Milhouse

by **Chris H** » Mon, 04 Mar 2002 04:01:57

The game can go way beyond the "arcade" you're talking about. You should
check out some of the online sites and get involved in a few of the races.
The House of GT is one of the more friendly competition sites -
http://www.themaille.com/hgt/ - and there are constant discussions regarding
settings, wheels, etc. You haven't really "enjoyed" GT3 until you've done a
24-hour enduro or worked as a team with an Internet friend on settings,
driving lines, etc. 8-)
--
Chris H.

> > I finally broke down and bought a PS2. I've been racing for years on
> > PCs, since Ferrari F1 on the Amiga, Revs, World Circuit, Grand Prix
> > Legends, etc.

> > Now, I have GT on the PS2. Yes, as a game it seems cool, but how the
> > hell does anyone drive the damn car with a gamepad??? Digital mode
sucks
> > big time, but analog isn't much better. It's taken me longer to get in
a
> > complete clean lap in a slow car in GT than at the top level in Grand
> > Prix Legends.

> > Am I missing something? Why are these games so popular on consoles when
> > driving with something other than a wheel (I use a TSW) is so difficult?

> I have GT3 on the PS2 as well. I'll start by saying, the graphics are
> gorgeous and the detail on the car models is astounding, but the gameplay
> is nothing more than arcade. It isn't even close to being a sim and never
> will be.

> Having said that, it is a fun game. I use the analog sticks for sterring
> and accelerating/braking. I use the left for steering and the right for
> accel/brake. It's kinda like driving a remote controlled car. I use the
> trigger buttons for shifting gears and controlling the views (all TWO of
> them ;-) Try that setup and see if it is easier to get used to. It is
> most definitely easier on the thumbs...

> --
> __________________________
> Todd Walker
> http://twalker.d2g.com
> __________________________

by **lane** » Mon, 04 Mar 2002 05:10:21

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by **Haines** » Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:37:32

I unplug my LWFF from my pc and plug it into my ps2.

by **Olly Greenfiel** » Mon, 04 Mar 2002 20:06:14

With a logitech FF wheel this game is definitely a top notch sim, better
than all but a handful of PC sims with respect to physics modeling . The
A.I. and damage modeling are pathetic, but the feel of the individual cars
is excellent, and the replays are graphically superior to anything ever on a
PC . I love just hotlapping and watching myself in replays without the
stupid A.I. cars getting in the way, replays look so real. The game is
awesome and deep.
I can eventually run similar laptimes even with the analog joystick
controller, but the sense of immersion is far greater with a wheel with FF.
However, if you are committed to prefering PC racers, then nothing will make
you see the exemplary qualities of GT3.

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