Does anyone know this groups charter? I was trying to help some
fellow SIM drivers by telling them about a GREAT deal on web hosting.
Now I'm in trouble....I did NOT know this went agents this groups
charter...I've been accused of SMAMMING... No I got some guy playing GOD
with my livelihood. IF MY POSTING OFFENDED ANYONE OR BOTHERED ANYONE
I"M TRULY SORRY! If just wish someone (GOD) told me a was doing wrong
before he handed down the punishment.
Brian Pokorny
Oooooo...SMAMMING....shame on you!
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God created whiskey to keep
the Irish from ruling the world.
Anonymous
>Brian Pokorny
The below fellow is cheesed off because I turned his spam in to his
upstream providers and probably got his hand slapped - deservedly so.
I've killed three spammers' accounts in the last week alone and I only
consider that 'a good start'.
obSimRacing: If you're not yet in a league on NROS, do it. Pick-up races
are fun, but after a while you've got to get into a group of people you
get to know and trust and become your pals and all.... slow drivers are
just as welcome as fast drivers, provided everyone knows how to use his
head and keep out of the way of the fast guys.
BTW 26% at C***te at night is a long race when yer as slow as me.
> >Does anyone know this groups charter? I was trying to help some
> >fellow SIM drivers by telling them about a GREAT deal on web hosting.
> >Now I'm in trouble....I did NOT know this went agents this groups
> >charter...I've been accused of SMAMMING... No I got some guy playing GOD
> >with my livelihood. IF MY POSTING OFFENDED ANYONE OR BOTHERED ANYONE
> >I"M TRULY SORRY! If just wish someone (GOD) told me a was doing wrong
> >before he handed down the punishment.
> >Brian Pokorny
On Tue, 09 Dec 1997 18:50:50 -0500 WWA <NOSPAM_pokor...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
% Does anyone know this groups charter? I was trying to help some
% fellow SIM drivers by telling them about a GREAT deal on web hosting.
% Now I'm in trouble....I did NOT know this went agents this groups
% charter...I've been accused of SMAMMING... No I got some guy playing GOD
% with my livelihood. IF MY POSTING OFFENDED ANYONE OR BOTHERED ANYONE
% I"M TRULY SORRY! If just wish someone (GOD) told me a was doing wrong
% before he handed down the punishment.
Here is the FAQ for r.a.s. which includes the charter. If the post you
are referring to is the one I am thinking of, it was a marginal call as
to whether or not it was "spamming". It was "targeted" to the right
newsgroup and the content did pertain to auto.simulators. I think many
people are real touchy about spam due to the massive abuse by wholesale
spammers. They therefore jump on anything that "smells" of spam.
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of handling of the vehicle, would not be appropriate in this newsgroup,
whilst discussion of Microprose's Formula 1 Grand Prix and Papyrus's
IndyCar Racing would be appropriate. (From the original charter of
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[Editor: While the original charter states that "Arcade racing
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2.1 Known FAQ's for Simulations discussed in rec.autos.simulators.
o Grand Prix 1 / World Circuit FAQ is available at:
http://www.gamesdomain.co.uk/dgymer/f1gp/faq/
o Grand Prix 2 FAQ is available at:
http://www.mal.com/~dgymer/gp2/faq/
o IndyCar Racing 2 FAQ is available at:
http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver/icr2faq.htm
ftp://ftp.teleport.com/users/mcarver/AutoSim/icr2faq.txt
o NASCAR Racing 2 FAQ is available at:
http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/Features/N2FAQ.txt
2.2 Contacting Auto Simulator vendors.
o Electronic Arts
http://www.ea.com
o Europress
http://www.europress.co.uk
o Extreme Competition Controls
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/extreme
o K2 Interactive (Verbal Commander)
http://www.k2i.com/
o Microprose
http://www.microprose.com
o Microsoft
http://www.microsoft.com/games/
o Papyrus/Sierra On-Line
http://www.sierra.com/
o Psygnosis
http://www.psygnosis.com/
o Thomas Enterprises
http://www.ia.net/~thomas
o ThrustMaster
http://www.thrustmaster.com
o Virgin Interactive Entertainment
http://www.vie.com
o Virtual Vehicles from Interactive I/O
http://www.interactiveio.com
o Visiware
http://www.visiware.com
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**************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.
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The charter of the group is irrelevant, SPAM is generally not
appreciated anywhere. The person that is "playing GOD" is
merely exercising his/her right to complain to your ISP about
your sub-optimal behaviour. If SPAMMING is your livelihood
you might want to consider another profession; you aren't
going to find too many people that are appreciative of your
line of work. The fact that you include a NOSPAM spoiler in
your address makes me think that you realize just how truly
undesireable this sort of nonsense really is, and yet you do
it anyway.
And no, I am not the person playing "GOD" with your "livelihood",
but I applaud their efforts.
Marcus
|> Does anyone know this groups charter? I was trying to help some
|> fellow SIM drivers by telling them about a GREAT deal on web hosting.
|> Now I'm in trouble....I did NOT know this went agents this groups
|> charter...I've been accused of SMAMMING... No I got some guy playing GOD
|> with my livelihood. IF MY POSTING OFFENDED ANYONE OR BOTHERED ANYONE
|> I"M TRULY SORRY! If just wish someone (GOD) told me a was doing wrong
|> before he handed down the punishment.
|>
|> Brian Pokorny
|>
|>
|>
% The below fellow is cheesed off because I turned his spam in to his
% upstream providers and probably got his hand slapped - deservedly so.
% I've killed three spammers' accounts in the last week alone and I only
% consider that 'a good start'.
I applaud you in your efforts to rid us of the spam hordes [this is not
meant to be sarcastic]. However, in your zeal, you have persecuted
someone who has not quite crossed the "official" threshold of Spamming.
I will admit, he is bordering on Spamming, but according to the
following from the net.abuse newsgroup it ain't quite spam yet....
From Net Abuse FAQ http://www.***nothing.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq.html
The term "spam," as used on this newsgroup, means "the same article
(or essentially the same article) posted an unacceptably high
number of times to one or more newsgroups." CONTENT IS IRRELEVANT.
'Spam' doesn't mean "ads." It doesn't mean "abuse." It doesn't mean
"posts whose content I object to." Spam is a funky name for a
phenomenon that can be measured pretty objectively: did that post
appear X times?
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**************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.
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