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Nas Thunder, Nas 2003 and ruminations..

Colin Harri

Nas Thunder, Nas 2003 and ruminations..

by Colin Harri » Thu, 14 Nov 2002 20:11:37

I've been reading some forums, and in here of course, about Nascar Thunder,
and apparently it's ok, but nowhere near the quality of N2002 (bearing in
mind that multiplayer is pretty much all I'm interested in).  With that in
mind, I'm really rather sad that Papy's only going to do one more nascar
sim - sure, I know that being the last one there'll be new tracks, mods, the
works and it may well have a really long shelf life, but the game itself
won't intrinsically change, rather in the same way that GPL (gawd bless it)
hasn't - it's grown, but not altered. Has anyone found out what Papy will be
moving on to, if it isn't console stuff? Seems such a shame to waste that
excellent multiplayer....I mean, from what I've read, (and if it's anything
like F1 2002) you can't get too many people connected in NT2k3, and where's
the fun in 5 guys on the track? Papy spoiled us.... Can anyone see a driving
sim out there on the horizon (LFS excepted) that will have such good mp
coding?
 Can't wait for N2003 - the Final Frontier, or whatever it's called!

Cheers, Colin

TDRacin

Nas Thunder, Nas 2003 and ruminations..

by TDRacin » Thu, 14 Nov 2002 20:17:08

New tracks?   Which ones?



Jason Moy

Nas Thunder, Nas 2003 and ruminations..

by Jason Moy » Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:44:30



I believe he's referring to the user community.  Since this is the
last NASCAR sim, if not the last Papy sim, it's pretty much a given
that it will be modified to an extent that previous versions weren't
since there's no chance for obsolescence.

As a counter-example, if there were a new GPL released every year, I
doubt we'd have so many addons for the original.  Anything the user
community created would be quickly surpassed by the real product.  

Jason

Nic

Nas Thunder, Nas 2003 and ruminations..

by Nic » Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:00:18

I was thinking about this, and I don't think for one minute Papy are
just going to throw that physics engine away in February and start
over on an arcade one. In an ideal world they would port their physics
code to a console (yes, consoles can handle it), and bring out
multi-platform sims of another racing series (maybe adding a proper
arcade mode to boost sales).

Then it wouldn't be very difficult to allow owners of NR2003 to import
the car and track data into Papy's new title. A paintshop and driver
name editor would allow the community to keep current info in the
game, so Papy would be releasing yearly simulators (maybe CART or
something), which allow the user to import and change NR2003 data, so
people will still stick with the unofficial Papy NASCAR sim, rather
than moving to the official EA one.

Imagine porting the GPL cars and tracks into the NR2002
physics/graphics engine, to see what I am getting at...

Just a thought.


> I've been reading some forums, and in here of course, about Nascar Thunder,
> and apparently it's ok, but nowhere near the quality of N2002 (bearing in
> mind that multiplayer is pretty much all I'm interested in).  With that in
> mind, I'm really rather sad that Papy's only going to do one more nascar
> sim - sure, I know that being the last one there'll be new tracks, mods, the
> works and it may well have a really long shelf life, but the game itself
> won't intrinsically change, rather in the same way that GPL (gawd bless it)
> hasn't - it's grown, but not altered. Has anyone found out what Papy will be
> moving on to, if it isn't console stuff? Seems such a shame to waste that
> excellent multiplayer....I mean, from what I've read, (and if it's anything
> like F1 2002) you can't get too many people connected in NT2k3, and where's
> the fun in 5 guys on the track? Papy spoiled us.... Can anyone see a driving
> sim out there on the horizon (LFS excepted) that will have such good mp
> coding?
>  Can't wait for N2003 - the Final Frontier, or whatever it's called!

> Cheers, Colin

Carl Ribbegaard

Nas Thunder, Nas 2003 and ruminations..

by Carl Ribbegaard » Fri, 15 Nov 2002 02:43:56

A very very good idea. :-)
TDRacin

Nas Thunder, Nas 2003 and ruminations..

by TDRacin » Fri, 15 Nov 2002 06:33:14

Ahhhh, understood.  I always wondered why NASCARx was never modified, while
GPL has been crazily modded, yet both are the same engine.

Thanks Jason




> >New tracks?   Which ones?

> I believe he's referring to the user community.  Since this is the
> last NASCAR sim, if not the last Papy sim, it's pretty much a given
> that it will be modified to an extent that previous versions weren't
> since there's no chance for obsolescence.

> As a counter-example, if there were a new GPL released every year, I
> doubt we'd have so many addons for the original.  Anything the user
> community created would be quickly surpassed by the real product.

> Jason

John DiFoo

Nas Thunder, Nas 2003 and ruminations..

by John DiFoo » Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:11:26


> I was thinking about this, and I don't think for one minute Papy are
> just going to throw that physics engine away in February and start
> over on an arcade one. In an ideal world they would port their physics
> code to a console (yes, consoles can handle it), and bring out
> multi-platform sims of another racing series (maybe adding a proper
> arcade mode to boost sales).

     Heck I'd settle for a game made for the >coin-op< market.
A Papyrus NASCAR sim for the arcades would rock (tho they
would probably have to dumb down the physics a >wee< bit
for the masses...).

    John DiFool

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Isotrip

Nas Thunder, Nas 2003 and ruminations..

by Isotrip » Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:44:33


I think that he is  referring to the fact that the MOD community will most
likely make Roadies (IE Laguna, Monza etc.), Shorties (IE: LaCrosse, Berlin,
etc.) and Fantasy tracks for NR2K3 (AKA Final Edition).

- Isotrip?


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