rec.autos.simulators

The most disgusting thing about it is not that it happened (teams do
have to look long term for the championship), it was that Rubens had
been denied the win when he had done such a spectacular qualifying
job.  MS has such a huge lead in the championship that to fix the
result *was* rotten.

Didn't McLaren have an unwritten rule in the Coulthard/Hakkinnen days
that the one with the fastest qual time would be given the win if it
was close in a 1-2 situation?  Still dirty, but much better than what
we saw on Sunday.

So yes - *I'm* still going to watch F1, so I can cheer on Rubens and
hope anyone but MS wins the championship.
And I'll still drive a Ferrari in GPL ;).

Kendt

   I believe the Coulthard/Hakkinen rule was whomever got the the first turn
first would get the win.  thats why at Australia, DC pulled over because
even tho MH had beaten him to the first turn, a pit snafu had put him
behind.
  And that was decided by the drivers, between the drivers with no input
from the team.  It was for their own protection so they didn't wreck each
other dicing...That was their choice.
dave henrie

Fact is, EVERYONE realized on some level that this could easily happen.  Or,
at least everyone who is familiar with F1 (which everyone here seems to be).
It was a crappy end to a race.  MS deserved the boos.  Ferrari will have
their hands slapped by the WSC (more so for messing with the post race
proceedures, probably, but I digress).  And it will leave a bitter taste in
a lot of people's mouths - maybe it will even change how you view F1.  But I
really doubt that many people will actually stop watching.

Just my $.02 worth.

-Mark

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I'll carry on driving the Ferrari in GPL, as it's from a better (in
some ways) era... as for the Vodafone (why can no-one spell this? It's
*not* spelt with a ph!) thing - actually, yes. I'm about to buy a new
phone - it was going to be a Vodafone, and it now won't be.

I'll watch it if it happens to be on when I'm in the room. But I'll be
more likely to turn off when I get bored, and less likely to make a
special effort to watch. And there's no chance of me buying
Bernievision - if it's paying or nothing, I'll go to Castle Combe :-)

--
"After all, a mere thousand yards... such a harmless little knoll,
really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

The GPL Scrapyard: Back again! http://www.btinternet.com/~gplscrapyard

Vodafone? Whot Da Hell is a Vodafone? Are they Ferrari Red? Protest by not
using yur Vodafone? = Less people running around without a cell phone glued
to their head? As Martha Stewart would say "Now that would be a good thing"
:-))))))))

--
1907 - Daytona Beach Florida

Glenn H. Curtiss rode a V8 powered motorcycle
to a 136.30 mph record in the measured mile.

The Chicago Daily News headline reads:
"Fastest Mile On Earth, Bullets Are The Only Rivals Of Glenn Curtiss"

Villeneuve/Scheckter, Villeneuve/Pironi, Coulthard/Hakkinen, etc.  The
only top team I can think of since the late 70's that hasn't had team
orders was McLaren in the late 80's, and that was only because there
was no way either Prost or Senna would've followed them.  If you look
elsewhere, you don't see anyone criticizing Dale Earnhardt, Jr for
sitting behind Michael Waltrip instead of working with another car for
the win and vice versa, as has happened at least 3 times in the past 2
years.

F1 is a team sport, and if the best interests of the team are to let
the #1 driver pass the #2 driver I don't see what the big deal is.
Instead of complaining about Ferrari padding Schumacher's points,
maybe Williams and Mclaren should try finishing in front of him once
in awhile.

Jason

  That in itself, speaks volumes of the state of F1 "racing."  <G>

-John

Nice post. It actually occurred in the beloved 60,'s and 50's too. It's
occurred 1,000 of times in every series that has teammates which is why all
this ranting is a f**ken joke. One teammates will hold back, sacrificing
their chance at the win, and block so the other can pull away and win a
race, or simply not challenge their teammate (as Waltrip has done). Teams
will intentionally***up the pit stops to switch drivers. Teammates don't
race each other with the same intensity or tactics they race another
competitor. Sometimes one teammate will simply slow down and/or pretend to
***up to let the other by. All the above is NO different than what RB and
MS did, except that it looks less obvious.
--
David G Fisher

There is a major difference between Dale Jr, or Sr for that matter,
following one of his cars to the finish line and pulling over to let one of
this cars pass him for the win.  Do you think Dale Sr would have pulled over
at the 500 if Mikey had been on his ass instead of in front of him?  Not a
chance in hell.  

--
Dave Casey
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--

Fester

"The Ferrari is a tainted vehicle and Formula 1 is no longer a sport. If
  they had instructed me to do the same I would have told them to stuff
  it."     -- Stirling Moss

-John

Eh?? Vodafone are a major sponsor of Ferrari, and seeing as how the
team is clearly a public company and little else these days, the only
thing it'll take any notice of is sponsor pressure. All right, it's a
very long shot, but it makes me feel better :-)

--
"After all, a mere thousand yards... such a harmless little knoll,
really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

The GPL Scrapyard: Back again! http://www.btinternet.com/~gplscrapyard

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Agreed, Fangio's team-mates were hardly chosen for their blistering
speed. But in those days we didn't get the team bosses telling everyone
how they were in the entertainment business.

If the teams want to say "right, this is the way it is: winning is more
important than anything else, no matter how we achieve it", then fine.
Just don't expect me to turn on the telly for it.

--
"After all, a mere thousand yards... such a harmless little knoll,
really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

The GPL Scrapyard: Back again! http://www.btinternet.com/~gplscrapyard

Well, some of us like to cheer and boo when we watch our favourite
motorsport, others, I suppose just sit there and say "well there was
another race, wonder how that paint is getting along drying."  I think this
whole thing will blow over, but I've no shame in saying I think it stinks,
and I was all but swearing at the TV when it happened.  Emotional response
isn't a bad thing, last I checked, and a few posts on the internet is
hardly people going overboard or anything like that.

Team sports, hmm nobody told Jason Plato and Yvan Muller about team work in
last year's BTCC championship ;o)  Then again, even outside of teams the
same dodgy politics surface. In last year, or the year previous BTCC, Matt
Neal in the privateer Team Dynamics Nissan was told to move over from 6th
to let the factory team nissan driver through to score the points.

I can see just such a situation in F1 with (for example, not pointing
fingers) Ferrari and Sauber, even more so if Bernie's suggestion to have
2nd tier teams buy full cars from the major teams came into play. I can't
see that being viable until the manufacturer's championship is replaced by
a team championship...

cheers
John