rec.autos.simulators

by **Drew** » Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:00:00

I have been trying for months to improve my times in GPL. I
bought a LWFF wheel, a soundblaster Live card, practiced ad
nauseum, but still could not break 1:30 at Monza, 1:07 at the
Glen, 1:24 at Mosport. And what's all this voodoo talk on the
newsgroup about trailbraking and steering with the pedals? All
smoke and mirrors?
Then I was having a fevered GPL dream while I napped on the
couch after 8 straight hours of Med School lectures. In my dream
it came to me: Carry your braking into the corner and apply the
throttle as you let off the brake! Holy Jumping Catfish! For a
year and a half I had been off the throttle, on the brake, off
the brake, on the throttle. No control whatsoever! I woke up
and fired up the game. A few warm up laps and I knew I was onto
something big. Within a few laps I ripped off a 1:29.7. Hey, I
know, no big deal, but it is the key to the future of racing
glory for this leadfoot.
I have seen the promised land, and they race fast there. I
will sleep well tonight. I just had to share my revelation. Now
I must go back and train.
-Drew

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by **john moor** » Wed, 12 Apr 2000 04:00:00

you feel the force young Luke....
as Jackie Stewart said, " only in my last year of racing did i learn how to
properly let off the brake"
that's trailbraking son, the key to goin fast
JM

> I have been trying for months to improve my times in GPL. I
> bought a LWFF wheel, a soundblaster Live card, practiced ad
> nauseum, but still could not break 1:30 at Monza, 1:07 at the
> Glen, 1:24 at Mosport. And what's all this voodoo talk on the
> newsgroup about trailbraking and steering with the pedals? All
> smoke and mirrors?
> Then I was having a fevered GPL dream while I napped on the
> couch after 8 straight hours of Med School lectures. In my dream
> it came to me: Carry your braking into the corner and apply the
> throttle as you let off the brake! Holy Jumping Catfish! For a
> year and a half I had been off the throttle, on the brake, off
> the brake, on the throttle. No control whatsoever! I woke up
> and fired up the game. A few warm up laps and I knew I was onto
> something big. Within a few laps I ripped off a 1:29.7. Hey, I
> know, no big deal, but it is the key to the future of racing
> glory for this leadfoot.
> I have seen the promised land, and they race fast there. I
> will sleep well tonight. I just had to share my revelation. Now
> I must go back and train.
> -Drew

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by **Tony StewartNo** » Wed, 12 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Never tried that before i might have to try it today. =)

by **Kevin Gavit** » Wed, 12 Apr 2000 04:00:00

The funny thing is that JYS is anti-trailbraking. He denies that he ever did
it. Balderdash.

I remembe when the Pi people were first experimenting with telemetry. They
went out tested their equipment at a GP, installing it in several cars and
using it to produce friction circle traces.

Someone persuaded JYS, (retired for years at this point), to take a few laps
in the current Tyrrell. He produced the closest thing to a perfect circle I,
or I believe anyone else, has ever seen.

Sorry Jackie, but you *can't do that* without trailbraking.

Telemetry also put paid to driver claims that they took certain corners
flat. They don't, not even on fast ovals. They brake.

Often times the driver is the least reliable source of just what it is he's
doing out there

Kevin F. Gavitt

by **Eldre** » Wed, 12 Apr 2000 04:00:00

> I have been trying for months to improve my times in GPL. I
>bought a LWFF wheel, a soundblaster Live card, practiced ad
>nauseum, but still could not break 1:30 at Monza, 1:07 at the
>Glen, 1:24 at Mosport. And what's all this voodoo talk on the
>newsgroup about trailbraking and steering with the pedals? All
>smoke and mirrors?
> Then I was having a fevered GPL dream while I napped on the
>couch after 8 straight hours of Med School lectures. In my dream
>it came to me: Carry your braking into the corner and apply the
>throttle as you let off the brake! Holy Jumping Catfish! For a
>year and a half I had been off the throttle, on the brake, off
>the brake, on the throttle. No control whatsoever! I woke up
>and fired up the game. A few warm up laps and I knew I was onto
>something big. Within a few laps I ripped off a 1:29.7. Hey, I
>know, no big deal, but it is the key to the future of racing
>glory for this leadfoot.
> I have seen the promised land, and they race fast there. I
>will sleep well tonight. I just had to share my revelation. Now
>I must go back and train.
>-Drew

So were you left-foot braking, but just not 'trailbraking'? Or were you
right-foot braking, and converted to left-foot?

Eldred
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by **Drew** » Wed, 12 Apr 2000 04:00:00

I was left foot braking just not trail braking. When I first
started playing, I spun every time a continued braking into a
corner. So I just would brake in a straight line as I
approached the corner but released as I entered the corner.
Naturally, the front end would go light and I would have
minimal control through the corner. Now I have a better wheel
and more control.
-Drew

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by **nospam_davemur..** » Thu, 13 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Hi Drew

Just out of interest, do modern F1 require this sort of control as
well?

If it does then I guess I have to throw away my joystick and go with
wheel setup.

Dave

On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:12:18 -0700, Drew

> I have been trying for months to improve my times in GPL. I
>bought a LWFF wheel, a soundblaster Live card, practiced ad
>nauseum, but still could not break 1:30 at Monza, 1:07 at the
>Glen, 1:24 at Mosport. And what's all this voodoo talk on the
>newsgroup about trailbraking and steering with the pedals? All
>smoke and mirrors?
> Then I was having a fevered GPL dream while I napped on the
>couch after 8 straight hours of Med School lectures. In my dream
>it came to me: Carry your braking into the corner and apply the
>throttle as you let off the brake! Holy Jumping Catfish! For a
>year and a half I had been off the throttle, on the brake, off
>the brake, on the throttle. No control whatsoever! I woke up
>and fired up the game. A few warm up laps and I knew I was onto
>something big. Within a few laps I ripped off a 1:29.7. Hey, I
>know, no big deal, but it is the key to the future of racing
>glory for this leadfoot.
> I have seen the promised land, and they race fast there. I
>will sleep well tonight. I just had to share my revelation. Now
>I must go back and train.
>-Drew

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by **Eldre** » Thu, 13 Apr 2000 04:00:00

>I was left foot braking just not trail braking. When I first
>started playing, I spun every time a continued braking into a
>corner. So I just would brake in a straight line as I
>approached the corner but released as I entered the corner.
>Naturally, the front end would go light and I would have
>minimal control through the corner. Now I have a better wheel
>and more control.
>-Drew

Ok. I still haven't figured it out yet. Although I finally got my TSW to work
in split-axis mode, I haven't tried left-foot braking again. My left foot
isn't coordinated enough...

Eldred
--
Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999
Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc

Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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by **Bob Thurma** » Thu, 13 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Same test done several years earlier with a Lotus 72 and Ronnie
Peterson resulted in his going well outside the traction circle. Although
they tried they were never able to explain how it was possible or
what Ronnie was doing!

buzard

> > you feel the force young Luke....
> > as Jackie Stewart said, " only in my last year of racing did i learn how
> to
> > properly let off the brake"
> > that's trailbraking son, the key to goin fast
> > JM

> The funny thing is that JYS is anti-trailbraking. He denies that he ever
did
> it. Balderdash.

> I remembe when the Pi people were first experimenting with telemetry. They
> went out tested their equipment at a GP, installing it in several cars and
> using it to produce friction circle traces.

> Someone persuaded JYS, (retired for years at this point), to take a few
laps
> in the current Tyrrell. He produced the closest thing to a perfect circle
I,
> or I believe anyone else, has ever seen.

> Sorry Jackie, but you *can't do that* without trailbraking.

> Telemetry also put paid to driver claims that they took certain corners
> flat. They don't, not even on fast ovals. They brake.

> Often times the driver is the least reliable source of just what it is
he's
> doing out there

> Kevin F. Gavitt

by **Leo Landma** » Thu, 13 Apr 2000 04:00:00

> Just out of interest, do modern F1 require this sort of control as
> well?

Very much so. The smoking inside front wheel is a telltale.

--
Bye,
Leo

by **Rick Boy** » Thu, 13 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Eldred,

Your first few attempts will probably be a frustrating mess, but force
yourself to brake with your left foot. After a couple of days it will feel
natural and after 4 or 5 days you will definately be faster.

Rick

> >I was left foot braking just not trail braking. When I first
> >started playing, I spun every time a continued braking into a
> >corner. So I just would brake in a straight line as I
> >approached the corner but released as I entered the corner.
> >Naturally, the front end would go light and I would have
> >minimal control through the corner. Now I have a better wheel
> >and more control.
> >-Drew

> Ok. I still haven't figured it out yet. Although I finally got my TSW to
work
> in split-axis mode, I haven't tried left-foot braking again. My left foot
> isn't coordinated enough...

> Eldred
> --
> Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999
> Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc

> Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats
you
> with experience...
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by **Eldre** » Thu, 13 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Ok - I'm holding you to that...<g>

Eldred
--
Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999
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with experience...
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by **David Ewin** » Thu, 13 Apr 2000 04:00:00

> > Just out of interest, do modern F1 require this sort of control as
> > well?

> Very much so. The smoking inside front wheel is a telltale.

It depends on the driver. Michael Schumacher is famous for this (coming
from a kart background helped). But Damon Hill, for example, never could
get the hang of left foot braking

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