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daytona and Indy read please

Casey Cunningha

daytona and Indy read please

by Casey Cunningha » Thu, 22 May 1997 04:00:00

Hers what i think.  Why convert tracks.  If The licensing people at
daytona and Indianapolis were smart they would give the license to
Papyrus.  Do you realize how much money the tracks would make off of the
sales of this Track Pack.  It would be phenomonal since the demand for
them is so great. Thats just some food for thought for the people at
Indy and Daytona.

Jeff Hedge

daytona and Indy read please

by Jeff Hedge » Fri, 23 May 1997 04:00:00


> Hers what i think.  Why convert tracks.  If The licensing people at
> daytona and Indianapolis were smart they would give the license to
> Papyrus.  Do you realize how much money the tracks would make off of the
> sales of this Track Pack.  It would be phenomonal since the demand for
> them is so great. Thats just some food for thought for the people at
> Indy and Daytona.

I agree with you.........I would like to see them create the oval track
from Brazil...It's Emo's track....It looked like a nice track to
drive....and shouldn't be an licensing problems....eh!

Jeff.

Vince19

daytona and Indy read please

by Vince19 » Tue, 27 May 1997 04:00:00

Let me put this short and to the point.  Sega put up a lot more money than
sierra.  That's why we don't have Daytona.  Simple, end of story.

Vince

Jn1414

daytona and Indy read please

by Jn1414 » Wed, 28 May 1997 04:00:00

(Vince1980) Date: 26 May 1997 08:38:58 GMT Message-ID:

Let me put this short and to the point.  Sega put up a lot more money than
sierra.  That's why we don't have Daytona.  Simple, end of story.

Vince <

Well then by all means somebody should use/create the necessary utlities
to make this track.  And once again I point out that there is NOTHING
anybody could do about it if the author chose to remain anonymous.

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Jim Sokolof

daytona and Indy read please

by Jim Sokolof » Wed, 28 May 1997 04:00:00



> (Vince1980) Date: 26 May 1997 08:38:58 GMT Message-ID:

> Let me put this short and to the point.  Sega put up a lot more money than
> sierra.  That's why we don't have Daytona.  Simple, end of story.

> Vince <

> Well then by all means somebody should use/create the necessary utlities
> to make this track.  And once again I point out that there is NOTHING
> anybody could do about it if the author chose to remain anonymous.

Just as one could do any number of illegal things so long as you
remained anonymous. (The problem is that if you don't remain anonymous
(read: you get caught), you're done for.)

---Jim

Chuck Kaylo

daytona and Indy read please

by Chuck Kaylo » Sat, 31 May 1997 04:00:00




> > (Vince1980) Date: 26 May 1997 08:38:58 GMT Message-ID:

> > Let me put this short and to the point.  Sega put up a lot more money than
> > sierra.  That's why we don't have Daytona.  Simple, end of story.

> > Vince <

> > Well then by all means somebody should use/create the necessary utlities
> > to make this track.  And once again I point out that there is NOTHING
> > anybody could do about it if the author chose to remain anonymous.

> Just as one could do any number of illegal things so long as you
> remained anonymous. (The problem is that if you don't remain anonymous
> (read: you get caught), you're done for.)

> ---Jim

If someone does make a Daytona track, make the turns 1 degree less than
the real track, then your not copying Daytona, since were at it, don't
call it Daytona, call it Beach Speedway.  People are going way over
board with this copyright stuff, its illegal to copy music on to a tape
to give your friend, but we have all done it.  Same idea, different
subject.
Jim Sokolof

daytona and Indy read please

by Jim Sokolof » Tue, 03 Jun 1997 04:00:00


> If someone does make a Daytona track, make the turns 1 degree less than
> the real track, then your not copying Daytona, since were at it, don't
> call it Daytona, call it Beach Speedway.  People are going way over
> board with this copyright stuff, its illegal to copy music on to a tape
> to give your friend, but we have all done it.  Same idea, different
> subject.

Bzzt.
The big difference is that copying music onto a cassette tape to give to
a friend is LEGAL. The ruling is that that constitutes "fair use" of the
copyrighted material.

---Jim

Michael E. Carve

daytona and Indy read please

by Michael E. Carve » Wed, 04 Jun 1997 04:00:00


: Bzzt.
: The big difference is that copying music onto a cassette tape to give to
: a friend is LEGAL. The ruling is that that constitutes "fair use" of the
: copyrighted material.

Jim, it's been awhile since I've checked on this, but I am not quite
sure that this is totally true.  While it may be okay to copy portions
of an album or CD to pass onto a friend as a "gift", I still think it is
a violation of copyright laws to make a complete copy.  Especially when
the "intent" is to avoid purchasing another copy.  It might fall into
the "fair use" catagory if 1 copy is made, but you violate the "fair
use" when you start making multiple copies.  At least this is how it
works for libraries, schools, churches, etc. when it comes to
photocopying from magazines or other printed materials.

Also another issue, is that making copies to avoid purchasing the
material prevents proper royalties being paid to the "artists" when
dealing with music.

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AKH

daytona and Indy read please

by AKH » Fri, 06 Jun 1997 04:00:00



> > If someone does make a Daytona track, make the turns 1 degree less than
> > the real track, then your not copying Daytona, since were at it, don't
> > call it Daytona, call it Beach Speedway.  People are going way over
> > board with this copyright stuff, its illegal to copy music on to a tape
> > to give your friend, but we have all done it.  Same idea, different
> > subject.
> Bzzt.
> The big difference is that copying music onto a cassette tape to give to
> a friend is LEGAL. The ruling is that that constitutes "fair use" of the
> copyrighted material.

> ---Jim

I thought it was only 'legal' to copy music onto a cassette for your OWN
listening purposes(?). Not to 'give' to a friend. Along the same lines
as backing up your own software for 'archive' purposes.

...oh well, off topic thread anyway... ;o)

Alan
http://www.kiva.net/~akh/simshop.html

David Spark

daytona and Indy read please

by David Spark » Fri, 06 Jun 1997 04:00:00




>> > If someone does make a Daytona track, make the turns 1 degree less than
>> > the real track, then your not copying Daytona, since were at it, don't
>> > call it Daytona, call it Beach Speedway.  People are going way over
>> > board with this copyright stuff, its illegal to copy music on to a tape
>> > to give your friend, but we have all done it.  Same idea, different
>> > subject.
>> Bzzt.
>> The big difference is that copying music onto a cassette tape to give to
>> a friend is LEGAL. The ruling is that that constitutes "fair use" of the
>> copyrighted material.

>I thought it was only 'legal' to copy music onto a cassette for your OWN
>listening purposes(?). Not to 'give' to a friend. Along the same lines
>as backing up your own software for 'archive' purposes.

I wish I could remember the specifics on that case. But if I remember
correctly, the Supreme Court gave tacit approval for making copies of audio
for archival purposes, i.e. you make a copy of the LP on cassette, and then
put the LP away, using only the cassette for listening. I seem to recall
this was done in a rather underhanded way, by refusing to strike down an
appeals court ruling, as opposed to making a direct ruling. I'm also fairly
certain that it was not considered under the "fair use" statutes, which
they avoided altogether.

Wish I had a better recollection of that case, and also some of the "fair
use" doctrine as well.

Dave Sparks
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Rccraze1

daytona and Indy read please

by Rccraze1 » Mon, 09 Jun 1997 04:00:00

It is ilegall if you sell the recorded tape to a friend.

Steven

Key Lar

daytona and Indy read please

by Key Lar » Mon, 09 Jun 1997 04:00:00




>> If someone does make a Daytona track, make the turns 1 degree less than
>> the real track, then your not copying Daytona, since were at it, don't
>> call it Daytona, call it Beach Speedway.  People are going way over
>> board with this copyright stuff, its illegal to copy music on to a tape
>> to give your friend, but we have all done it.  Same idea, different
>> subject.
>Bzzt.
>The big difference is that copying music onto a cassette tape to give to
>a friend is LEGAL. The ruling is that that constitutes "fair use" of the
>copyrighted material.

>---Jim

Sorry to introduce myself in such a touchy area, but...

You can make a copy of your CD/LP/CASS for your own personal use and
call it fair usage. You can not subsequently give it to a friend or
sell it to someone.

The "fair use" ruling I believe you may be referring to might be in
regard to making a parody recording of a song (a la Weird Al), and
even then, it is "appropriate" to secure a mechanical license from the
publisher (via BMI/ASCAP) if you intend to market your parody.

Randy Norris aka "Key Largo".
Keyboardist in the "Max Gringo" band.
BMI songwriter.
Nascar2 rookie.
Running N2 on a WinBook XP5 notebook,
Thrustmaster ACM card, T2 Wheel & Pedals,
at a fairly dismal frame rate, but loving the experience!

Jim Sokolo

daytona and Indy read please

by Jim Sokolo » Mon, 09 Jun 1997 04:00:00


There's (almost) no question that making a copy of copyrighted
material for archival purposes (and then using *either* the copy or
the original) does fall under fair use. My recollection of the case is
that one was permitted to make "mix" tapes and give them (in VERY
small quantities) to friends without being in violation of copyright
law.

But, IANAL, and I haven't made a "mix" tape in many years, so I'm
probably safe... :-)

---Jim


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