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by **Stuart Nicholso** » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 16:39:07

Over here down under in Oz we get the Cart series but no IRL. What the hell
is the difference anyway? Which way did the good ol Indycar boys go? Cart
(or as I prefer to call them "Crash Test Dummies")? I miss Papys Indycar but
it looks so old fashioned graphically now. Is there any new Indycar type
games in the pipeline? Judging by the lack of spectatators at the Cart races
is it a dying formula? Chicago this week was very poorly supported crowd
wise.

by **Matt Lanze** » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 21:24:37

CART = 900hp+ turbocharged cars on ovals, road courses, and street circuits
IRL = 650hp NA, rev-limited cars on ovals only, with the Indy 500 as their
"signature" event...
However, a few CART teams run the Indy 500 as a one-off and sweep all the top
positions, with the top IRL team car a lap down. ;)
In the states, CART's oval attendance sucks, but their road/street courses draw
very well (170,000+ at Toronto for the weekend)
IRL's oval attendance looks decent because they keep going into new markets and
catch the racefans' dollars with the curiosity factor
However, both series' TV ratings are in the toilet

There are patches for the game NASCAR heat to convert it to CART heat and IRL
heat respectively (however, being a NASCAR game its 95% ovals).
There is also a beta patch out now with the full version out soon? for F12000
and F1cs2000 that converts it to CART 2000, containing all new tracks and
such... Screenies look great!

Warlock!

Oh... Almost forgot...
CART!!!!
CART!!!!
CART!!!!
CART!!!!

;)

> Over here down under in Oz we get the Cart series but no IRL. What the hell
> is the difference anyway? Which way did the good ol Indycar boys go? Cart
> (or as I prefer to call them "Crash Test Dummies")? I miss Papys Indycar but
> it looks so old fashioned graphically now. Is there any new Indycar type
> games in the pipeline? Judging by the lack of spectatators at the Cart races
> is it a dying formula? Chicago this week was very poorly supported crowd
> wise.

by **Rafe McAulif** » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:08:39

No CART sim anywhere, or even in the pipelines, mores the pity.

If you want IRL, you can get it on Foxtel, but it's a *** show
really, no talent involved. Stick with CART on ch. 10 (or Optusvision
I believe), heaps better racing. Plus you get real tracks :D

The next few races should be heaps better than Chicago me thinks.

Rafe Mc

On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:39:07 +0800, "Stuart Nicholson"

>Over here down under in Oz we get the Cart series but no IRL. What the hell
>is the difference anyway? Which way did the good ol Indycar boys go? Cart
>(or as I prefer to call them "Crash Test Dummies")? I miss Papys Indycar but
>it looks so old fashioned graphically now. Is there any new Indycar type
>games in the pipeline? Judging by the lack of spectatators at the Cart races
>is it a dying formula? Chicago this week was very poorly supported crowd
>wise.

by **Dave Henri** » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:31:14

There are three patches now...one for Cart Heat...Looks Gorgeous...one for
F1cs2k...with several American tracks in the process of being converted for
it's use, and a patch for Nascar 3 which uses the original ICR2 graphics on
N3's program. The advantage of the last effort is you can run all of the
old ICR2 tracks. They are in the process of converting the original ICR2
body/paint schemes over to the Reynard body that was sculpted a year or so
ago...There are leagues starting up for both the Nascar Heat patch...when it
goes final and the ICR2/N3 patch.
http://cirrus.spaceports.com/~dtech/n3/ic4n3/ic4n3.htm
I went digging for the other links and can't find them right now...anyone
else have url's for Cart Heat and World Series 2001?(f1cs2k)
dave henrie

by **Bria** » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 02:39:54

The link to the Cart2k is

http://www.champweb.net/cart2x.htm

And the Cart Heat is

http://cartheat.bhmotorsports.com/

Brian

> There are three patches now...one for Cart Heat...Looks Gorgeous...one
for
> F1cs2k...with several American tracks in the process of being converted
for
> it's use, and a patch for Nascar 3 which uses the original ICR2 graphics
on
> N3's program. The advantage of the last effort is you can run all of the
> old ICR2 tracks. They are in the process of converting the original ICR2
> body/paint schemes over to the Reynard body that was sculpted a year or so
> ago...There are leagues starting up for both the Nascar Heat patch...when
it
> goes final and the ICR2/N3 patch.
> http://cirrus.spaceports.com/~dtech/n3/ic4n3/ic4n3.htm
> I went digging for the other links and can't find them right
now...anyone
> else have url's for Cart Heat and World Series 2001?(f1cs2k)
> dave henrie

> > Over here down under in Oz we get the Cart series but no IRL. What the
> hell
> > is the difference anyway? Which way did the good ol Indycar boys go?
Cart
> > (or as I prefer to call them "Crash Test Dummies")? I miss Papys Indycar
> but
> > it looks so old fashioned graphically now. Is there any new Indycar type
> > games in the pipeline? Judging by the lack of spectatators at the Cart
> races
> > is it a dying formula? Chicago this week was very poorly supported crowd
> > wise.

by **TRUSRS** » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 06:54:46

CART is the real Indycar/Champcar series

IRL is an amateur league/retirement league/training league

by **Fred Murt** » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 07:41:25

Oh?

Canceled Rio - lack of interest.
Canceled Texas - chicken/lack of testing
Canceled Portland half way - raining and Paul Tracy crashed
Indy 500 - Sarah Fisher (20 year old girl) out qualifies MA
Indy 500 - "Swept" field because no front running IRL car left due to
crashes. (no threat - easy win)

TMS - suing CART (who won't give the money back for the non-race)

And, if that wasn't enough, you obviously didn't see the IRL race at
Richmond. What a race on a 3/4 mile oval. No CART guys in sight. Might
get dizzy!

Fred

> CART is the real Indycar/Champcar series

> IRL is an amateur league/retirement league/training league

by **ra300** » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 08:28:22

>Oh?

>Canceled Rio - lack of interest.

Lots of interest. Cancelled because of city politics. In a nutshell,
Emmo pissed off the friend of the mayor (or something along those
lines). Get your story straight instead of spouting drivel.

See below.

Timed race. And at least they race in the rain.

Several of the IRL drivers couldn't keep it off the walls. That
didn't just happen. It's called talent. The guys who swept the top-5
are in those rides because they are fast and THEY GET THE JOB DONE.

Have you ever seen Helio Castro-Neves crash like Scott Sharp? In fact
I can't recall the last time Helio crashed in a race!

Why should CART give money back for a postponed race? There was never
an official cancellation.

Round and round they go. You can keep your artificial racing. And
your 4-mile slipstream (tm) (tm of the IRL)

And just to finish off-- there's 10 laps left in an IRL race. But a
hot dog wrapper has appeared in turn 4. Better wave the yellow!
BAHAHAHAHAHA

by **Eldre** » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:20:53

>Indy 500 - "Swept" field because no front running IRL car left due to
>crashes. (no threat - easy win)

Not to be picky(well, a little<g>), but the CART drivers were on the same track
with all the accidents as the IRL drivers were... Maybe they were just better
at avoidance? ;-)

Ok, the CART cars are basically TOO FAST to run safely at a track like that. I
don't see that as being a selling point for the IRL as being 'better', because
they're slower.

Just to be clear, I like watching both series. I just don't agree with these
particular arguments...

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by **Matt Lanze** » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 21:31:57

You know damn well it doesn't really work that way!
They only throw the yellow for debris when Sam Hornish is about to lap the
field at 10% of the total race distance, or when he's about to lap Al
Unser, Jr.,

"I've already tried that Derrick! I've adjusted the sway bars and put the
weight jackers all the way to the rear and it's still all over the track...
I just don't know what to do! Wah-ha wahhhhhh.... *sniff*" - Sarah
Fisher during the last IRL race, bringing her car into the pits BEFORE she
wrecked this time, on, I'm guessing, about lap 25.

Warlock!

by **R. Ricard** » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 23:03:59

Last year:
One lead change for the Mexican GP (and that was during pit stops) - how exciting!

Next year:

IRL at Michigan 500
IRL at Nazareth

Guess CART would rather race in Germany (furthering their image as F1 wannabees).

And if the CART non-race wasn't canceled at TMS, how come I got my refund in the
mail from TMS?

R

by **Schlom** » Fri, 03 Aug 2001 00:10:00

Personally I dont see how people compare theses two series. The type of racing
is vastly different. CART is mainly a road racing series with a few ovals
thrown in for color. IRL is just ovals. And the Indy 500 was NOT a proof of
*** by CART drivers over IRL drivers. Even in their own series you had
two of the top teams plus Michael (whos run Indy MANY times before). And as to
the tons of crashes...I seem to remember 1992 looking something like a
demolition derby, and those were CART teams.

I guess I'm just sick of the whole CART vs IRL fued. Its been played out by
the media and really, in essence, doesnt exist anymore among the teams or
drivers. Both series went their own direction and formed their own identity.
I didnt hear people complaining when F5000 was in existance back in the 70s,
essentially forming a second open wheel series in America. I'm for one glad we
have 2 distinctly different open wheel series in America (granted CART is more
international). So basically what I'm saying is, drop the fued and start
watching the races.

Chris
"Its something unpredictible but in the end is right, I hope you had the time
of your life."-Greenday

by **Matt Lanze** » Fri, 03 Aug 2001 03:48:13

> Personally I dont see how people compare theses two series. The type of racing
> is vastly different. CART is mainly a road racing series with a few ovals
> thrown in for color. IRL is just ovals. And the Indy 500 was NOT a proof of
> *** by CART drivers over IRL drivers.

Why? Sure there was a bit of luck, but since there is no such thing as luck, it
came down to preparedness. The CART teams hired the best mechanics, strategists,
managers, drivers... I think it showed. For the most part with unfamiliar
equipment. Mike was clueless until Hornish (a step above the IRL competition, I
think) gave mike his setup. Then he outperformed Sam. Not necessarily w/ raw speed,
but Mike was definitely driving within his means, where Sam obviously drove on the
razor's edge. Sam ended up a lap down, Mike didn't.

Everything else you stated I agree with wholeheartedly... Just like a racefan I
know often says, "Just drop the flag!"

Warlock!

by **Matt Lanze** » Fri, 03 Aug 2001 03:34:36

> Last year:
> One lead change for the Mexican GP (and that was during pit stops) - how exciting!

Ever watched an F1 race??? (I'm not complaining... I love 'em!)

IRL will undoubtedly put on a better show at Naz with the wings they have... Not at
Mich, tho. And the IRL race will not be a 500 miler.
I expect more people to be at the tracks for the IRL races than at the CART races this
year because CART's promotional dep't. is non-existant. One of the things the IRL does
better than CART... PROMOTE!

F1 wannabees on an oval in Germany?!? How does an oval race make them F1 wannabees???

You got your money back from TMS. They are trying to do what's right to the fans,
which in turn makes CART look like the bad guy in this situation (which, essentially
they are). CART would still like to race there in some way or another, but Gossage has
pretty much turned his back on CART. Until he talks to them, and until a rescheduled
race comes about (unlikely) or a cancellation is announced, it is officially
postponed.

by **ymenar** » Fri, 03 Aug 2001 05:51:56

> Fred

Go back to rasi.

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