rec.autos.simulators

by **Richard E. Dep** » Tue, 05 Mar 1996 04:00:00

Binary posts do not belong in unmoderated discussion groups.

I run a program that searchs for, and issues advisory cancels for,
large binaries in the akr, biz, comp, misc, news, rec, and sci
hierachies.

I have issued 19 cancels for binary files (average size 98,408
characters - total size 1,869,755 characters) posted to 9 different
unmoderated discussion groups in the comp and rec hierarchies as
follows:
8 rec.autos.simulators
3 rec.arts.anime
2 rec.antiques.radio+phono
1 rec.roller-coaster
1 rec.music.makers.synth
1 rec.martial-arts
1 rec.audio.tubes
1 rec.arts.comics.marketplace
1 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips

This pointer is being posted to each affected group listed above.

If you want to see exactly which file was deleted from a particular
group, or the criteria that I used to select it, read the full report
in news.admin.net-abuse.announce. Look for AR195 as in the
subject of this pointer. The full report can also be found in
alt.nocem.misc and alt.retromod.

There has been a long-standing consensus among news administrators that
binaries belong in binaries newsgroups, and not elsewhere. There also
seems to be a consensus supporting the cancellation of large binaries in
discussion groups as long as appropriate protocols are followed.

In my opinion, the best way to distribute binary files is via ftp or
the web. With the ready availablity of ftpmail servers, even uucp
sites can retrieve binaries from ftp sites.

However, if you really must post a binary to Usenet, please post it to
an appropriate binaries newsgroup such as alt.binaries.misc. Then, if
you like, post something in the appropriate discussion group telling
people where to find the binary in the binaries group (a pointer to
the binary). This will permit news administrators and users to decide
for themselves whether to receive the binary files.

Please direct public feedback to news.admin.net-abuse.misc and private

Best wishes,
***
--

It's over, and can't be helped, and that's one consolation, as they
always say in Turkey, when they cut the wrong man's head off''
-- Charles***ens

by **Michael She** » Sat, 09 Mar 1996 04:00:00

>Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:05:40 GMT

>Keywords: ARMM

Who gives you the right to cancel postings. Show me the law that backs your
claim. I suggest we flame this guy as he has no right to come in here
and arbitrarily cancel postings. Maybe I'll follow him around on the
net and start cancelling his messages.

unmoderated discussion groups.

>I run a program that searchs for, and issues advisory cancels for,
>large binaries in the akr, biz, comp, misc, news, rec, and sci
>hierachies.
>I have issued 19 cancels for binary files (average size 98,408
>characters - total size 1,869,755 characters) posted to 9 different
>unmoderated discussion groups in the comp and rec hierarchies as
>follows:
> 8 rec.autos.simulators
> 3 rec.arts.anime
> 2 rec.antiques.radio+phono
> 1 rec.roller-coaster
> 1 rec.music.makers.synth
> 1 rec.martial-arts
> 1 rec.audio.tubes
> 1 rec.arts.comics.marketplace
> 1 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips
>This pointer is being posted to each affected group listed above.
>If you want to see exactly which file was deleted from a particular
>group, or the criteria that I used to select it, read the full report
>in news.admin.net-abuse.announce. Look for AR195 as in the
>subject of this pointer. The full report can also be found in
>alt.nocem.misc and alt.retromod.
>There has been a long-standing consensus among news administrators that
>binaries belong in binaries newsgroups, and not elsewhere. There also
>seems to be a consensus supporting the cancellation of large binaries in
>discussion groups as long as appropriate protocols are followed.
>In my opinion, the best way to distribute binary files is via ftp or
>the web. With the ready availablity of ftpmail servers, even uucp
>sites can retrieve binaries from ftp sites.
>However, if you really must post a binary to Usenet, please post it to
>an appropriate binaries newsgroup such as alt.binaries.misc. Then, if
>you like, post something in the appropriate discussion group telling
>people where to find the binary in the binaries group (a pointer to
>the binary). This will permit news administrators and users to decide
>for themselves whether to receive the binary files.
>Please direct public feedback to news.admin.net-abuse.misc and private

>Best wishes,
>Dick
>--

>It's over, and can't be helped, and that's one consolation, as they
> always say in Turkey, when they cut the wrong man's head off''
> -- Charles***ens

by **Michael She** » Mon, 11 Mar 1996 04:00:00

>Date: 9 Mar 1996 22:41:13 GMT

>: Who gives you the right to cancel postings. Show me the law that backs your
>: claim. I suggest we flame this guy as he has no right to come in here
>: and arbitrarily cancel postings. Maybe I'll follow him around on the
>: net and start cancelling his messages.
>The same powers that give thoughtless people the right to post binaries
>in discussion groups. The net is maintained by consensus and general
>consideration. Guidelines were created which tried to make life easier
>for all users. One of these guidelines deal with the approriate
>hierarchy and newsgroup for postings of discussions and binaries.
>What confuses me is the attitude that one has the right to post what one
>wants in any group. Why would anyone insist on posting binaries in a
>discussion group when they know this is not cosidered proper? I suppose
>the same personality would find it quite appropriate to shit at a
>restuarant table instead of taking the time to use the commonly agreed
>upon facilities (you know a public restroom).
>No one is keeping you from being who you are. . . Your true personality
>is blatantly posted for all to see.
>What purpose is served by posting binaries to discussion groups instead
>of an appropriate alt.binaries group?

Before you start telling me what I am or aren't you should know that I am not
the poster of binaries to non binary groups. I am someone who does not have
access to the binary group in question (internet Provider doesn't provide the
group). From what I've seen there are many that don't get that group as well.

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>--
>**************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
> Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

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by **joj** » Tue, 12 Mar 1996 04:00:00

Perhaps the binary is directly related to the topic of discussion.

>: Who gives you the right to cancel postings. Show me the law that backs
your
>: claim. I suggest we flame this guy as he has no right to come in here
>: and arbitrarily cancel postings. Maybe I'll follow him around on the
>: net and start cancelling his messages.

>The same powers that give thoughtless people the right to post binaries
>in discussion groups. The net is maintained by consensus and general
>consideration. Guidelines were created which tried to make life easier
>for all users. One of these guidelines deal with the approriate
>hierarchy and newsgroup for postings of discussions and binaries.

>What confuses me is the attitude that one has the right to post what one
>wants in any group. Why would anyone insist on posting binaries in a
>discussion group when they know this is not cosidered proper? I suppose
>the same personality would find it quite appropriate to shit at a
>restuarant table instead of taking the time to use the commonly agreed
>upon facilities (you know a public restroom).

>No one is keeping you from being who you are. . . Your true personality
>is blatantly posted for all to see.

>What purpose is served by posting binaries to discussion groups instead
>of an appropriate alt.binaries group?

>--
>**************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
> Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- <

]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

by **joj** » Tue, 12 Mar 1996 04:00:00

So while were cancelling, why don't we cancel all spam for sale posts
that are not related to ibm chips? They take up a lot more space than
binaries because they are more frequent.

says...

>>Who gives you the right to cancel postings. Show me the law that backs
your
>>claim. I suggest we flame this guy as he has no right to come in here
>>and arbitrarily cancel postings. Maybe I'll follow him around on the
>>net and start cancelling his messages.

>Sorry, I happen to agree with him. Binaries DO NOT BELONG HERE. So
long
>as he is basing his cancels on binary files posted in non-binary
>newsgroups, I have no problem. If he's choosing WHICH binaries get
>canceled, I'd have a problem, but as long as they are all affected...

>--

Canada!)
>An Arctic Animation WWW Site ->

http://www.infomatch.com/~dgriff/main.htm

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by **Matt Franc** » Tue, 12 Mar 1996 04:00:00

>Perhaps the binary is directly related to the topic of discussion.

So, put it in a binaries group and just post a pointer here; not
really that much more complicated, and generally saves even more
bandwidth by avoiding no-binaries-here-thankyou flamewars...

-Arinan

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by **David Griffit** » Tue, 12 Mar 1996 04:00:00

>Who gives you the right to cancel postings. Show me the law that backs your
>claim. I suggest we flame this guy as he has no right to come in here
>and arbitrarily cancel postings. Maybe I'll follow him around on the
>net and start cancelling his messages.

Sorry, I happen to agree with him. Binaries DO NOT BELONG HERE. So long
as he is basing his cancels on binary files posted in non-binary
newsgroups, I have no problem. If he's choosing WHICH binaries get
canceled, I'd have a problem, but as long as they are all affected...

--

An Arctic Animation WWW Site -> http://www.infomatch.com/~dgriff/main.htm
VJAC/LW3D/City Hunter! - Technical Director, Mendelson Films Ltd.

by **coaster** » Tue, 12 Mar 1996 04:00:00

THANK YOU!!!!! well spoken and to the point!!! If enough people would
forward these spams to the posters' postmaster, I am sure these posts
would end ..

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