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by **Dave Coo** » Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:45:29

I'm ruining the entertainment I used to get out of racing simulations by
worrying so much about speed. Of course speed is very important in any racing
title, but I like to enjoy every bit of reality that I can get as well. For me
there is a serious tradeoff. Reality includes using my RS Shifter and clutch,
as well as driving from the***pit view. Before I heard the fast guys were
driving from the "bonnet view" back in Rally Trophy I never even considered it.

What sucks is that I try hard to go fast with my shifter from the***pit view,
but in the back of my mind I'm always battling with the thought that I could be
going faster if I used the paddles and changed my view. It's almost not fun any
more because of this. I want to go fast, but I want reality. I'm not so fast
even without all the stuff :P

What do you suggest?

- Dave Cook

by **Haqsa** » Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:54:25

Stop being ***about it and just have fun. Errr, that came out a
little harsher than I meant it. :o) But really, I get a bit frustrated
at how seriously some simmers take the reality thing. The fact is these
are all GAMES, and frankly none of them are all that good a simulation
of reality, and frankly most serious simmers don't even know the
difference anyway. Relax, play the games, and enjoy.

by **karkraz** » Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:18:48

Why can't you do both? Not at the same time of course. I like using
the clutch+shifter more but sometimes I'll just use the paddle
shifters if I'm lazy and wanna give my left foot a break. My friend
who races online will use paddle shifters but for offline play he uses
shifter+clutch. If he used a clutch and shifter for competitive
racing, he'd get wasted big time.

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by **Tony Rickar** » Sat, 21 Dec 2002 18:01:51

> What sucks is that I try hard to go fast with my shifter from the***pit
view,
> but in the back of my mind I'm always battling with the thought that I could
be
> going faster if I used the paddles and changed my view. It's almost not fun
any
> more because of this. I want to go fast, but I want reality. I'm not so fast
> even without all the stuff :P

> What do you suggest?

Once you (and I) come to terms with the fact you will not be the fastest on-line
racer regardless of kit, then you can either try to find a suitable level in an
online league - it is usually reasonably easy to determine the level by
comparing lap times. Or find a single player experience you enjoy and tweak the
AI to your level with your realistic setup installed

If it wasn't for the internet you wouldn't worry so much about the extra speed!

I was blissfully unaware that I wasn't the best at F1GP :) (I later discovered
there were tweaks to make the AI faster at Ace level!)

Cheers

Tony

by **MadDAW** » Sun, 22 Dec 2002 01:14:12

Do what you enjoy and tell the rest to get lost. I get so tired of this
reality crap. As I have said before if anyone is a true reality nut they
should be wearing a driving suit, helmet and have the heat cranked up over
100 degrees. Of course that is silly but it would be closer to reality than
sitting there playing in a T-shirt and shorts with the A/C on. I'm not to do
it and I don't expect anyone else to, but if they want to preach reality to
me they dam well better be doing that and more.

So if you want to use your shifter and pedals do it. If you want to hot lap
and compare lap times go kite cam and paddels. As long as you are enjoying
yourself who cares. This type of ***has pretty much killed online racing
for me. I don't need the grief. I'd much rather loose clean to a roof
rider, than get wrecked by someone using the***pit view.

MadDAWG

by **Leo Landma** » Sun, 22 Dec 2002 09:52:14

What's the problem? Maybe you would be quicker using a joystick and a
helicopter view, but would you enjoy it? No? Then don't. Try to win a race
your way, and let the 'cheaters' run their own race...

Bye,
Leo

by **Jan Verschuere** » Sun, 22 Dec 2002 10:10:01

Hehehe... I used to think I was pretty good at this stuff too, back then.
Even so, either the AI in F1GP were too slow or the player car was too fast.

Jan.
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by **Dave Coo** » Sun, 22 Dec 2002 10:12:03

> > Of course speed is very important in any racing
> > title, but I like to enjoy every bit of reality that I can get as well.

> What's the problem? Maybe you would be quicker using a joystick and a
> helicopter view, but would you enjoy it? No? Then don't. Try to win a race
> your way, and let the 'cheaters' run their own race...

> Bye,
> Leo

I wouldn't call them cheaters, but I do agree that I should make a pact with
myself to have fun using everything that adds to the realism of the sim and just
accept that I'm not going to be lightning fast unless I invest a lot of time.

Another thing I'm gonna do is focus more on racing the AI and not so much on hot
lapping. I've found that hot lapping can be a very frustrating time, running
many imperfect laps - or being on the verge of the perfect lap only to have it
vanish on the last turn. Not fun at all. I admit it is very gratifying when
you finally nail one - but that's not racing! Dicing with the AI (or on-line)
from the***pit with my shifter and clutch - that's where I'll be focusing more
of my time, and having more fun in the process :)

- Dave

by **Tony Rickar** » Sun, 22 Dec 2002 10:49:52

Don't shatter the illusion, Jan. *I* was too fast :)

by **Mitch_** » Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:28:02

As far as Im concerned roof riding is just another driving aid like the auto
brake or the steering assist. If you use the driving aids you should be put
at a disadvantage instead of an advantage. Papy f*&^d up..

Mitch

> > > Of course speed is very important in any racing
> > > title, but I like to enjoy every bit of reality that I can get as
well.

> > What's the problem? Maybe you would be quicker using a joystick and a
> > helicopter view, but would you enjoy it? No? Then don't. Try to win a
race
> > your way, and let the 'cheaters' run their own race...

> > Bye,
> > Leo

> I wouldn't call them cheaters, but I do agree that I should make a pact
with
> myself to have fun using everything that adds to the realism of the sim
and just
> accept that I'm not going to be lightning fast unless I invest a lot of
time.

> Another thing I'm gonna do is focus more on racing the AI and not so much
on hot
> lapping. I've found that hot lapping can be a very frustrating time,
running
> many imperfect laps - or being on the verge of the perfect lap only to
have it
> vanish on the last turn. Not fun at all. I admit it is very gratifying
when
> you finally nail one - but that's not racing! Dicing with the AI (or
on-line)
> from the***pit with my shifter and clutch - that's where I'll be
focusing more
> of my time, and having more fun in the process :)

> - Dave

by **Eldre** » Sun, 22 Dec 2002 23:36:55

>As far as Im concerned roof riding is just another driving aid like the auto
>brake or the steering assist. If you use the driving aids you should be put
>at a disadvantage instead of an advantage. Papy f*&^d up..

How would they make it a disadvantage - slow your top speed?

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by **Mitch_** » Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:11:21

I guess *that* is the question E :) Maybe a little aero drag (or a lot
depending on crack size hehe) Madawg summed up my feelings pretty well in
another post. The *wondering* if it's fair takes away from the enjoyment.

Mitch

> >As far as Im concerned roof riding is just another driving aid like the
auto
> >brake or the steering assist. If you use the driving aids you should be
put
> >at a disadvantage instead of an advantage. Papy f*&^d up..

> How would they make it a disadvantage - slow your top speed?

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by **remove EATSPAM to repl** » Mon, 23 Dec 2002 16:43:55

> >As far as Im concerned roof riding is just another driving aid like
the auto
> >brake or the steering assist. If you use the driving aids you should
be put
> >at a disadvantage instead of an advantage. Papy f*&^d up..

> How would they make it a disadvantage - slow your top speed?

No, more like what MPS did way back then: add a "difficulty factor".
The more aides you turned on, the lower the difficulty factor. Full
difficulty
is 1.0 (realistic). Multiple your time/score by the difficulty factor to
get the
"real" score.

Race masters can preset "allowed difficulty factors" like "you must set
yourself to at least 0.75 to join race" or force specific options to be
set
or unset...

[Remember this system? It was in the ORIGINAL Silent Service]

--KC

by **Eldre** » Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:45:07

Yeah, I vaguely remember that... I think MPS did it with their other games
like Colonization as well...

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