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by **Haqsa** » Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:11:50

I noticed that when I set my "current" configuration to a certain setup,
leave and then later come back in, the fuel setting does not come back,
i.e. it always loads the suspension settings correctly, but starts me
off with a full tank of fuel. If I load the setup again it does come
back. This has got to be a bug. You can't change a fuel setting
without storing it in a new setup, but you don't get the fuel setting
back when you next use the setup? The really stupid part is that I
could swear that this was also a bug in N4.

by **Dave Henri** » Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:19:37

It may not be a bug but a feature...don't all Winston Cup cars have to
start with a full tank? This takes away the F1 game of "how long til he
stops" but also makes sure all the teams have to run equally at the start.
dave henrie
anyone with a clearer explanation?

by **Haqsa** » Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:32:56

I don't know if that was there intent or not, but it makes no sense. If
I have to start with a full tank every time, then why would they even
store the fuel level in the setup? And they clearly do, because I can
switch to a setup in the middle of a test session and the fuel level
will come with it correctly. Plus if I change my starting fuel level it
demands that I save a new setup. And anyway, surely it's legal to use
less than a full tank for practice, qualifying, and test sessions? I
still think it's a bug.

> It may not be a bug but a feature...don't all Winston Cup cars have
to
> start with a full tank? This takes away the F1 game of "how long til
he
> stops" but also makes sure all the teams have to run equally at the
start.
> dave henrie
> anyone with a clearer explanation?

> > I noticed that when I set my "current" configuration to a certain
setup,
> > leave and then later come back in, the fuel setting does not come
back,
> > i.e. it always loads the suspension settings correctly, but starts
me
> > off with a full tank of fuel. If I load the setup again it does
come
> > back. This has got to be a bug. You can't change a fuel setting
> > without storing it in a new setup, but you don't get the fuel
setting
> > back when you next use the setup? The really stupid part is that I
> > could swear that this was also a bug in N4.

by rb » Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:31:08

yr right dave.

for qualifying and beginning of the race. 22gal filled.

adjusting the tank fill only works for practice and testing.... now, if you
could just start running with s***and tires heated up to test yr setup
then....... somebody may have a way...

rob

by **Scott Sanfor** » Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:40:38

Yes this was the intent, if you want to practice with less than a full tank
AFTER you have started that is fine, but NASCAR rules state that all cars
must start EVERY session with a full tank.

Scott

> I don't know if that was there intent or not, but it makes no sense. If
> I have to start with a full tank every time, then why would they even
> store the fuel level in the setup? And they clearly do, because I can
> switch to a setup in the middle of a test session and the fuel level
> will come with it correctly. Plus if I change my starting fuel level it
> demands that I save a new setup. And anyway, surely it's legal to use
> less than a full tank for practice, qualifying, and test sessions? I
> still think it's a bug.

> > It may not be a bug but a feature...don't all Winston Cup cars have
> to
> > start with a full tank? This takes away the F1 game of "how long til
> he
> > stops" but also makes sure all the teams have to run equally at the
> start.
> > dave henrie
> > anyone with a clearer explanation?

> > > I noticed that when I set my "current" configuration to a certain
> setup,
> > > leave and then later come back in, the fuel setting does not come
> back,
> > > i.e. it always loads the suspension settings correctly, but starts
> me
> > > off with a full tank of fuel. If I load the setup again it does
> come
> > > back. This has got to be a bug. You can't change a fuel setting
> > > without storing it in a new setup, but you don't get the fuel
> setting
> > > back when you next use the setup? The really stupid part is that I
> > > could swear that this was also a bug in N4.

by **Uncle Feste** » Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:46:35

> And anyway, surely it's legal to use
> less than a full tank for practice, qualifying, and test sessions?

Wrong answer.

--

Fester

"Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no
brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?"
from alt.linux.mandrake NG

by **John Pancoas** » Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:49:37

It is a Nascar rule; full tank required for qual. It's part of the total
weight equation.

-John

-

> I don't know if that was there intent or not, but it makes no sense. If
> I have to start with a full tank every time, then why would they even
> store the fuel level in the setup? And they clearly do, because I can
> switch to a setup in the middle of a test session and the fuel level
> will come with it correctly. Plus if I change my starting fuel level it
> demands that I save a new setup. And anyway, surely it's legal to use
> less than a full tank for practice, qualifying, and test sessions? I
> still think it's a bug.

> > It may not be a bug but a feature...don't all Winston Cup cars have
> to
> > start with a full tank? This takes away the F1 game of "how long til
> he
> > stops" but also makes sure all the teams have to run equally at the
> start.
> > dave henrie
> > anyone with a clearer explanation?

> > > I noticed that when I set my "current" configuration to a certain
> setup,
> > > leave and then later come back in, the fuel setting does not come
> back,
> > > i.e. it always loads the suspension settings correctly, but starts
> me
> > > off with a full tank of fuel. If I load the setup again it does
> come
> > > back. This has got to be a bug. You can't change a fuel setting
> > > without storing it in a new setup, but you don't get the fuel
> setting
> > > back when you next use the setup? The really stupid part is that I
> > > could swear that this was also a bug in N4.

by **Dave Henri** » Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:50:25

Many drivers work on setups with less than a full tank. When you hear of
a car that is better on "long runs" that is what they mean, the team has
worked on the setup to work better as the fuel burns off. But to prevent
users from starting half full, they have the requirement that all tanks be
topped off at the start each session.
dave henrie

by **John Pancoas** » Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:55:06

Exactly, thanks.

-John

> Yes this was the intent, if you want to practice with less than a full
tank
> AFTER you have started that is fine, but NASCAR rules state that all cars
> must start EVERY session with a full tank.

> Scott

> > I don't know if that was there intent or not, but it makes no sense. If
> > I have to start with a full tank every time, then why would they even
> > store the fuel level in the setup? And they clearly do, because I can
> > switch to a setup in the middle of a test session and the fuel level
> > will come with it correctly. Plus if I change my starting fuel level it
> > demands that I save a new setup. And anyway, surely it's legal to use
> > less than a full tank for practice, qualifying, and test sessions? I
> > still think it's a bug.

> > > It may not be a bug but a feature...don't all Winston Cup cars have
> > to
> > > start with a full tank? This takes away the F1 game of "how long til
> > he
> > > stops" but also makes sure all the teams have to run equally at the
> > start.
> > > dave henrie
> > > anyone with a clearer explanation?

> > > > I noticed that when I set my "current" configuration to a certain
> > setup,
> > > > leave and then later come back in, the fuel setting does not come
> > back,
> > > > i.e. it always loads the suspension settings correctly, but starts
> > me
> > > > off with a full tank of fuel. If I load the setup again it does
> > come
> > > > back. This has got to be a bug. You can't change a fuel setting
> > > > without storing it in a new setup, but you don't get the fuel
> > setting
> > > > back when you next use the setup? The really stupid part is that I
> > > > could swear that this was also a bug in N4.

by **Ryan** » Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:58:29

Practice - don't think so, but not sure
Qualifying - no way
Testing - absolutely

It's a NASCAR rule that the car must be full of fuel for qualifying and at
the beginning of the race. I'm not too sure about the rules during
practice. So N4 and NR2002 allow you to test with whatever fuel setting you
like, but as soon as you go to qualify or race it makes you run 22 gallons.

Ryan

by **Haqsa** » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 00:46:57

Okay no problem for practice, qualifying, and racing, but why would I
need to start a test session with a full tank? A test session is
presumably a private session that has no bearing on any race, therefore
I should be able to load up whatever fuel setting I want.

And again, why does it force me to save a setup if I change the fuel
level? If it is a requirement to start every session with a full tank,
there is no point in saving this setting at all.

It may be an intentional feature, but it is not very well implemented
IMO.

> Yes this was the intent, if you want to practice with less than a full
tank
> AFTER you have started that is fine, but NASCAR rules state that all
cars
> must start EVERY session with a full tank.

> Scott

> > I don't know if that was there intent or not, but it makes no sense.
If
> > I have to start with a full tank every time, then why would they
even
> > store the fuel level in the setup? And they clearly do, because I
can
> > switch to a setup in the middle of a test session and the fuel level
> > will come with it correctly. Plus if I change my starting fuel
level it
> > demands that I save a new setup. And anyway, surely it's legal to
use
> > less than a full tank for practice, qualifying, and test sessions?
I
> > still think it's a bug.

> > > It may not be a bug but a feature...don't all Winston Cup cars
have
> > to
> > > start with a full tank? This takes away the F1 game of "how long
til
> > he
> > > stops" but also makes sure all the teams have to run equally at
the
> > start.
> > > dave henrie
> > > anyone with a clearer explanation?

> > > > I noticed that when I set my "current" configuration to a
certain
> > setup,
> > > > leave and then later come back in, the fuel setting does not
come
> > back,
> > > > i.e. it always loads the suspension settings correctly, but
starts
> > me
> > > > off with a full tank of fuel. If I load the setup again it does
> > come
> > > > back. This has got to be a bug. You can't change a fuel
setting
> > > > without storing it in a new setup, but you don't get the fuel
> > setting
> > > > back when you next use the setup? The really stupid part is
that I
> > > > could swear that this was also a bug in N4.

by **SimRace** » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 01:09:09

Correct, and if you want to test how your car is going to push at the end of
a 'long' run, you have to go out in practice and get the fuel level down to
where you want it by burning out the gas, then pit and take tires but no
fuel....

by **Scott Sanfor** » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 01:45:21

In game testing is nothing but a one car practice session so the rule still
applies, now should you be required to save the setup after making a fuel
change? Probably not, the only thing this does is let the hotlappers save
the one and to gallon setups they make for running hotlaps and really serve
no other useful purpose.

Scott

> Okay no problem for practice, qualifying, and racing, but why would I
> need to start a test session with a full tank? A test session is
> presumably a private session that has no bearing on any race, therefore
> I should be able to load up whatever fuel setting I want.

> And again, why does it force me to save a setup if I change the fuel
> level? If it is a requirement to start every session with a full tank,
> there is no point in saving this setting at all.

> It may be an intentional feature, but it is not very well implemented
> IMO.

> > Yes this was the intent, if you want to practice with less than a full
> tank
> > AFTER you have started that is fine, but NASCAR rules state that all
> cars
> > must start EVERY session with a full tank.

> > Scott

> > > I don't know if that was there intent or not, but it makes no sense.
> If
> > > I have to start with a full tank every time, then why would they
> even
> > > store the fuel level in the setup? And they clearly do, because I
> can
> > > switch to a setup in the middle of a test session and the fuel level
> > > will come with it correctly. Plus if I change my starting fuel
> level it
> > > demands that I save a new setup. And anyway, surely it's legal to
> use
> > > less than a full tank for practice, qualifying, and test sessions?
> I
> > > still think it's a bug.

> > > > It may not be a bug but a feature...don't all Winston Cup cars
> have
> > > to
> > > > start with a full tank? This takes away the F1 game of "how long
> til
> > > he
> > > > stops" but also makes sure all the teams have to run equally at
> the
> > > start.
> > > > dave henrie
> > > > anyone with a clearer explanation?

> > > > > I noticed that when I set my "current" configuration to a
> certain
> > > setup,
> > > > > leave and then later come back in, the fuel setting does not
> come
> > > back,
> > > > > i.e. it always loads the suspension settings correctly, but
> starts
> > > me
> > > > > off with a full tank of fuel. If I load the setup again it does
> > > come
> > > > > back. This has got to be a bug. You can't change a fuel
> setting
> > > > > without storing it in a new setup, but you don't get the fuel
> > > setting
> > > > > back when you next use the setup? The really stupid part is
> that I
> > > > > could swear that this was also a bug in N4.

by **Todd Sorense** » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 06:35:45

BECAUSE IT'S THE LAW!!!!!!!

> Okay no problem for practice, qualifying, and racing, but why would I
> need to start a test session with a full tank? A test session is
> presumably a private session that has no bearing on any race, therefore
> I should be able to load up whatever fuel setting I want.

> And again, why does it force me to save a setup if I change the fuel
> level? If it is a requirement to start every session with a full tank,
> there is no point in saving this setting at all.

> It may be an intentional feature, but it is not very well implemented
> IMO.

> > Yes this was the intent, if you want to practice with less than a full
> tank
> > AFTER you have started that is fine, but NASCAR rules state that all
> cars
> > must start EVERY session with a full tank.

> > Scott

> > > I don't know if that was there intent or not, but it makes no sense.
> If
> > > I have to start with a full tank every time, then why would they
> even
> > > store the fuel level in the setup? And they clearly do, because I
> can
> > > switch to a setup in the middle of a test session and the fuel level
> > > will come with it correctly. Plus if I change my starting fuel
> level it
> > > demands that I save a new setup. And anyway, surely it's legal to
> use
> > > less than a full tank for practice, qualifying, and test sessions?
> I
> > > still think it's a bug.

> > > > It may not be a bug but a feature...don't all Winston Cup cars
> have
> > > to
> > > > start with a full tank? This takes away the F1 game of "how long
> til
> > > he
> > > > stops" but also makes sure all the teams have to run equally at
> the
> > > start.
> > > > dave henrie
> > > > anyone with a clearer explanation?

> > > > > I noticed that when I set my "current" configuration to a
> certain
> > > setup,
> > > > > leave and then later come back in, the fuel setting does not
> come
> > > back,
> > > > > i.e. it always loads the suspension settings correctly, but
> starts
> > > me
> > > > > off with a full tank of fuel. If I load the setup again it does
> > > come
> > > > > back. This has got to be a bug. You can't change a fuel
> setting
> > > > > without storing it in a new setup, but you don't get the fuel
> > > setting
> > > > > back when you next use the setup? The really stupid part is
> that I
> > > > > could swear that this was also a bug in N4.

by **Andre Warrin** » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:23:32

Thanks Dredd :)

Andre

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