Is this why my current best lap time (Q tyre) in Australia is:
1:10.387 (James Shaughnessy BHP:750 AIG:12 Ace,S,T 13-Apr-96)
when someone else got 1:07.672 with same setup
I can improve (1 second, 2 tops) but by THAT much?
What's the story?!
>>I read in a FaQ that v1.03 is FASTER than v1.05 !
You are using Traction Control and although it is more
difficult to drive without it, it can affect your laptimess
positively if you use it to power-slide around the curves
and drive real rough.
That might explain a few tenths, the rest is practice I'm afraid. :-)
Most probably you are right in this. Driving without steering help ( i.e. with
a wheel ) is most difficult of all because the car tends to break away
very easily. ( Unfortunately the non-linear steering method of F1GP
is still very twitchy to drive with. GP2 should fix this problem though
because you can adjust the rate of non-linearity. )
The car is especially unstable when using a big difference between front
and rear wing ( which most steering help-setups have ).
BTW : I don't know exactly _which_ replays you mean but if
you mean the ones on my page, they are only intended to
give a hint at how to drive to achieve that-and-that effect.
1:14.9 isn't the real world record time ( yet :-) since these
replays were done with reloading. The momentary pole
in the NHOF is 1:15.1.
BTW2: At http://mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at/~markus/
you should find some replays and perfs from a
NO-STEERING ASSISTANCE driver to compare with.
I think he is in the 1:16s at Monza ( or even 1:15.9 ).....
Regards.
IV
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: >I read in a FaQ that v1.03 is FASTER than v1.05 !
: >Is this why my current best lap time (Q tyre) in Australia is:
: >1:10.387 (James Shaughnessy BHP:750 AIG:12 Ace,S,T 13-Apr-96)
: >when someone else got 1:07.672 with same setup
: >I can improve (1 second, 2 tops) but by THAT much?
: >What's the story?!
: I'm curious to know myself. I'm working on my time at Monza, I'm using
: v1.05, a 90Meg petium(frame rate of 25) a ECC wheel/pedal system, no traction
: or steering help, with the world record time setup. My best so far is
: 1:20.958, and although theres room for improvment, I can't see ever getting
: down to the 1:14.xxx world record time. Watching the world record replays
: of the esses after the pit straight, I'm pretty sure that the car is going
: thru in a way thats impossible to duplicate using my gear and setup.
Yes, that's my view of things as well. I'm using a CH pro depal and CH
yoke set up. Like you I know I've got some improvments to make, but I
really cannot see me emulating these record laps. Someone told me that
these people generally use the keyboard with steering help. I don't know
how true that is. I get the same problem with ICR1, but there I'm much closer
to the record times (about 3 secs adrift on average). But again, it seems
that very few of the record holders use a wheel. Personally, and I don't
mean to be derogatory, in the interests of realism I think if you can't
do it with the steering wheel, with traction and steering help turned off,
then it ain't what I would call kosher. But I could be just jealous ;-).
Alan
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I have to make a small correction here.
The pages above are his secondary account and may be
a bit outdated.
The newer pages are at :
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/markuss/f1gpmain.htm
It features replays of a 1:15.9 lap in Monza and
replays for Imola too.
( You may have to edit the URL by hand if you want to
download the perfs but that will be fixed soon AFAIK )
Regards.
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Watching the world record replays
It's OK to be jealous :)
But I think it's a little over the top to say that those times aren't "kosher".
Just how many people do you think use a steering-wheel?? It's still a pretty
unusual control device; only the *real* freaks (not badly meant) have one. At
the time the game was released, there probably didn't even exist such devices!
From that point of view, keyboard-control(which the record holder uses indeed as
far as I know) is even more kosher than a steering-wheel.
Greets,
Jo
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: Watching the world record replays
: >: of the esses after the pit straight, I'm pretty sure that the car is going
: >: thru in a way thats impossible to duplicate using my gear and setup.
: >Yes, that's my view of things as well. I'm using a CH pro depal and CH
: >yoke set up. Like you I know I've got some improvments to make, but I
: >really cannot see me emulating these record laps. Someone told me that
: >these people generally use the keyboard with steering help. I don't know
: >how true that is. I get the same problem with ICR1, but there I'm much closer
: >to the record times (about 3 secs adrift on average). But again, it seems
: >that very few of the record holders use a wheel. Personally, and I don't
: >mean to be derogatory, in the interests of realism I think if you can't
: >do it with the steering wheel, with traction and steering help turned off,
: >then it ain't what I would call kosher. But I could be just jealous ;-).
: >Alan
: >--
: It's OK to be jealous :)
: But I think it's a little over the top to say that those times aren't "kosher".
: Just how many people do you think use a steering-wheel?? It's still a pretty
: unusual control device; only the *real* freaks (not badly meant) have one. At
: the time the game was released, there probably didn't even exist such devices!
: From that point of view, keyboard-control(which the record holder uses indeed as
: far as I know) is even more kosher than a steering-wheel.
: Greets,
: Jo
Point taken, though my original comments were meant to be light hearted. What
is interesting is that my best lap times in F1GP are pretty close the REAL
lap times. It would appear that the pedal/wheel control devices really
does enhance the realism of the simulator (same with ICR1). I really do admire
the dedication and tenacity of these record holders - it must have taken
hours upon hours to perfect the setup and get the right line. But I don't
think that you can emulate these times with a wheel/pedal setup - the simulation
is harder (but more fun) with this setup.
Alan
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Jim
There's info about this in the FAQ - 1.03 gave more grip than 1.05,
which is why the laptimes are faster at some tracks. The clock isn't
in step with reality in either 1.03 or 1.05, but this doesn't directly
affect laptimes as reported by the game.
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What sort of controls is he using ? Keyboard? I can not turn off
steering help when using the keyboard - is this normal ?
Joe
Erm, what do we take to be "real times" hear? F1GP is simulating the 1990(?)
season, with different cars, and different track layouts. Do you mean real
1990 time? (just wondering :)
Anyway, I've been an avid keyboard steerer on F1GP, but recently bought a T2.
Have to say that I'm not that keen - and still often use the keys. The wheel
actually feels very clumsy compared to the very precise control the keys
offer. The T2 is good for ICR2/NASCAR (where you *NEED* analogue throttle
and steering), but for F1GP (which, to be fair, is a *bit* more "gamey" to
play [and none the worse for that]), I find the keys produce faster laps.
*AND* actually feel more natural. I *REALLY* hope F1GP2 plays like F1GP,
because I find ICR2/NASCAR just a bit *TOO* realistic for fun playing. e
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>: Watching the world record replays
>: >: of the esses after the pit straight, I'm pretty sure that the car is going
>: >: thru in a way thats impossible to duplicate using my gear and setup.
>: >Yes, that's my view of things as well. I'm using a CH pro depal and CH
>: >yoke set up. Like you I know I've got some improvments to make, but I
>: >really cannot see me emulating these record laps. Someone told me that
>: >these people generally use the keyboard with steering help. I don't know
>: >how true that is. I get the same problem with ICR1, but there I'm much closer
>: >to the record times (about 3 secs adrift on average). But again, it seems
>: >that very few of the record holders use a wheel. Personally, and I don't
>: >mean to be derogatory, in the interests of realism I think if you can't
>: >do it with the steering wheel, with traction and steering help turned off,
>: >then it ain't what I would call kosher. But I could be just jealous ;-).
>: >Alan
>: >--
>: It's OK to be jealous :)
>: But I think it's a little over the top to say that those times aren't
>"kosher".
>: Just how many people do you think use a steering-wheel?? It's still a pretty
>: unusual control device; only the *real* freaks (not badly meant) have one. At
>: the time the game was released, there probably didn't even exist such devices!
>: From that point of view, keyboard-control(which the record holder uses indeed
>as
>: far as I know) is even more kosher than a steering-wheel.
>: Greets,
>: Jo
>Point taken, though my original comments were meant to be light hearted. What
>is interesting is that my best lap times in F1GP are pretty close the REAL
>lap times. It would appear that the pedal/wheel control devices really
>does enhance the realism of the simulator (same with ICR1). I really do admire
>the dedication and tenacity of these record holders - it must have taken
>hours upon hours to perfect the setup and get the right line. But I don't
>think that you can emulate these times with a wheel/pedal setup - the simulation
>is harder (but more fun) with this setup.
>Alan
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Yes, that is normal. You can only turn off the steering help if
you are using an analogous steering device such
as a steering wheel or a joystick.
However, using a joystick without steering help will result
in an _extremely_ twitchy car. ( even if you use non-linear steering. )
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