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DMV OVERCHARGES GOVT. ABUSES CONSPIRACY

dmvr

DMV OVERCHARGES GOVT. ABUSES CONSPIRACY

by dmvr » Wed, 26 Apr 1995 04:00:00

THIS IS INSTALLMENT # 2 OF THE CALIF. DMV OVERCHARGES, WITH
            DETAILED INFORMATION ON THOSE OVERCHARGES.

                    PUBLIC CHEATED OUT OF MILLIONS  

                   BY DEPARTMENT OF MOTOR VEHICLES  

                  DELIBERATE OVERCHARGES AND ERRORS  

                       COST THE PUBLIC MILLIONS  

          A LOCAL FIRM, DMV VEHICLE REGISTRATION AND FILING  
          SERVICE, OBTAINED PROOF THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF MOTOR  
          VEHICLES OVERCHARGES THE PUBLIC ON VEHICLE TRANSACTIONS.  

            REFUNDS MAY BE POSSIBLE- READ THE 1ST INSTALLMENT

          THE RESULTING LOSS TO THE PUBLIC IS IN THE MILLIONS OF  
          DOLLARS.  

          TYPES OF DMV OVERCHARGES, FOLLOWED BY REFERENCES TO  
          ACTUAL CASE FILES DOCUMENTING THE OVERCHARGES IS SET  
          FORTH BELOW:  

A.               ILLEGALLY RAISING THE VEHICLE VALUE.  

          THIS IS AN INTENTIONAL ACT, which directly violates state  
          law and published DMV guidelines.  As one DMV employee  
          exclaimed, when questioned about his having re-valued a  
          vehicle (we call iT BLUE-BOOKING) said "I know its wrong,  
          but they (office management) tell us to do it.".  
          Quite obviously the "unpublished" policy differs from the  
          published one.  

          This cheats the public out of money, EACH AND EVERY YEAR  
          THEY OWN THEIR VEHICLE.  

          The vehicle value is very important in determining the  
          annual registration fees for a vehicle.  The higher the  
          value, the higher the registration fees will be.  When  
          the DMV raises the value, from the stated value, as they  
          do in many cases, this illegally causes the public to pay  
          more to register and/or renew, in subsequent years, their  
          registrations.  THIS, INTENTIONALLY, CHEATS THE PUBLIC  
          OUT OF MONIEY.  

          Both the law in the State of California (Revenue &  
          Taxation Code Sec. 10753) and the DMV "MANUAL OF  
          REGISTRATION PROCEDURES" (Sec. 35.000 and suppliment  
          VRP 91-8), which is the "Bible" of the DMV, mandate that  
          the DMV determine the "vehicle value", in most cases,  
          based upon the price that the customer stated that they  
          paid for the vehicle, or, in some cases, what the  
          customer stated the vehicle was worth.  

          THE DMV HAS NO RIGHT, LEGAL OR OTHERWISE, TO REVALUE  
          VEHICLES.  THEY DO SO ARBITRARILY, AT THE WHIMS OF  
          TECHNICIANS AND MANAGEMENT. AND ONLY WHEN IT HURTS  
          (CHEATS) THE PUBLIC BY MAKING THEM PAY MORE FEES, AND  
          SOMETIMES PENALTIES, TO THE DMV.  

          WE HAVE NEVER SEEN, NOR HEARD ABOUT, ONE INSTANCE WHERE  
          THE DMV REVALUED A VEHICLE TO A LOWER VALUE.  THIS WOULD  
          SAVE THE CUSTOMER FEES AND THE DMV WOULD NEVER DO THAT,  
          EVEN THOUGH MANY PEOPLE PAY MORE FOR A CAR THAN IT IS  
          WORTH.  

   Example:   If a party purchased a car for $3,000 the vehicle  
          license fee should be $62, and it would cost approx.  
          $106, plus any applicable sales/use tax, to register the  
          car.  

             If the DMV jumped the value to $6,000, the license fee  
          would be $122, and it would cost approx. $166, plus any  
          applicable sales/use tax, to register the car.  

             This would cheat the owner out of $60 initially and.  
          over the first six years the owner would pay approx. $270  
          in illegal additional charges.  THE OVERCHARGES WOULD  
          CONTINUE INDEFINITELY, UNTIL THE VEHICLE WAS SOLD.  

   NOTE:   This works proportionately.  If you pay $5,000 for a  
           car, and the DMV values it at $15,000, you would pay  
           over $200 in additional, illegal, charges the first year  
           and approx. $900 in overcharges over the first six  
           years.  

IMPORTANT:  PRIOR TO AUGUST, 1991 THIS ILLEGAL JUMPING OF VEHICLE  
          VALUES APPLIED TO: REVIVED JUNK VEHICLES, VEHICLES THAT  
          HAD DROPPED FROM THE RECORD, OR NEVER HAD BEEN  
          REGISTERED, AND OUT OF STATE VEHICLES.  AFTER THAT DATE  
          THE IMPROPER RAISING OF THE VEHICLE VALUE IS DONE, IN  
          ADDITION TO THE FOREGOING CASES, ON ANY TRANSFER WHICH  
          THE TECHNICIAN, WITH THE BLESSING OF HIGHER AUTHORITIES,  
          FEELS THE VALUE OF THE VEHICLE MIGHT NORMALLY BE HIGHER  
          THAN THAT REPRESENTED BY THE CUSTOMER, OR EVEN EVIDENCED  
          BY THE BILL OF SALE.  

          The technician, manager, etc. would then look in one of  
          the car pricing guides, usually the Kelly Blue Book of  
          values, and take the low (wholesale) and high (retail)  
          prices, average them, and then use that value (only as  
          long as it is higher) to figure the vehicle license fee.  

          THIS IS IMPROPER, AND QUITE ILLEGAL, AS A READING OF THE  
          ABOVE CITED VEHICLE CODE AND REGISTRATION MANUAL SECTIONS  
          WILL EVIDENCE.  

          THIS IS APPARENTLY DONE AT EVERY DMV OFFICE THROUGHOUT  
          THE STATE, POSSIBLY HUNDREDS OF TIMES PER DAY.  MOST OF  
          THE TIME THE PUBLIC DOES NOT EVEN KNOW THEY ARE BEING  
          RIPPED OFF.  WHERE IS DAVID HOROWITZ WHEN YOU NEED HIM?  

B.        ERRONEOUSLY CHARGING USE TAX ON "VALUE", RATHER THAN THE  
          PROPER FIGURE OF THE SALES PRICE.  

          This is a one time charge, which is collected at the time  
          of registration.  

EXAMPLE:  100   (Scott):           Mr. Scott purchased an old,  
          1972, motorcycle, in extremely poor condition, for $7.00.  
          He did a good deal of repair work in fixing up the bike.  
          Being fair, he estimated the value at $500 at the time of  
          registration. The tax (at the 8.25% L.A. rate) would have  
          been $1.00.  The technician attempted to charge $41,  
          which would have cheated the customer out of $40.  

C.        INTENTIONALLY AT TIMES, AND ERRONEOUSLY AT TIMES,  
          CHARGING USE TAX WHEN IT IS NOT LEGALLY DUE TO THE DMV.  
          THIS HAPPENS WHEN THE CUSTOMER HAS ALREADY PAID SALES TAX  
          ON THE VEHICLE PURCHASE, OR WHEN NO TAX IS DUE AT THE  
          TIME.  

          When a party buys a "junked" or "salvaged" vehicle from a  
          licensed dismantler they must pay sales tax at that time.  
          This is also true when a car is purchased from a licensed  
          dealer, dismantler, and/or manufacturer, and many  
          auctions, and when a vehicle is constructed from parts;  
          thus no "use tax" is to be collected by the DMV when the  
          car is registered.  Reference registration manual section  
          28.100.  

          Title only" and "transfer only" registrations (two types  
          of taking title in DMV parlance- the vehicles are not  
          actually registered for use) are exempt from the payment  
          of use tax.  Reference the  "Manual of Registration  
          Procedures", sections 28.200 j & k.  

          There are also other exemptions, such as transfers  
          between certain family members.  

          The DMV intentionally charges the customer the tax in  
          some of the above situations, as is examples C 1 and C 2,  
          or through error.  Additionally, it is not the DMV policy  
          to inquire, nor inform the public, when they are doing a  
          transfer, of the exemptions between certain parties, thus  
          the public is being bilked out of a lot of money, without  
          even knowing it.  

C1        #1001 (Barrios):         The customer purchased a  
          "junked" car from a salvage dealer.  As is the case, the  
          sales tax was paid to the dealer, which is the law  The  
          customer had a receipt showing that the tax had been  
          paid.  The dealer subsequently went out of business.  The  
          DMV forced the customer to pay the tax again, stating  
          that they, the DMV, may never get the tax from the  
          dismantler.  

          THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LAW.  THE DMV "EXTORTED"  
          THE TAX FROM THE CUSTOMER, EVEN THOUGH THIS WAS ILLEGAL  
          AND AGAINST THEIR OWN STATED POLICY.  THIS CHEATED THE  
          CUSTOMER OUT OF $132.  Reference section 28.100, wherein  
          it is clearly stated that no use tax is due if the  
          vehicle was purchased from a licensed dismantler.  

D.        DMV INTENTIONALLY AND ILLEGALLY CHARGES FEES AND  
          PENALTIES ON NO RECORD, REVIVED JUNK, COLLECTOR CARS,  
          ETC.  THESE FEES, AND COMPUTED PENALTIES, ARE CHARGED  
          FROM THE DATE OF PURCHASE, RATHER THAN THE DATE THE FEES  
          LEGALLY BECAME (BECOME) DUE, WHICH IS THE "DATE OF FIRST  
          OPERATION".  

          Registration manual sections 1.331, 1.332, 2.180, and  
          2.556 (10.) clearly establish that the fees are due from  
          the" date of first operation.".  

          THIS IS ANOTHER INSTANCE WHERE THE DMV INTENTIONALLY,  
          ILLEGALLY, CHEATS THE PUBLIC OUT OF THEIR MONEY.  NOT  
          ONLY DOES THIS HAVE THE EFFECT OF FORCEING THE PUBLIC,  
          ILLEGALLY, TO PAY MORE FEES AT THE TIME OF REGISTRATION,  
          THIS CAN DRASTICALLY SHORTEN THE NUMBER OF MONTHS THE  
          REGISTRATION COVERS, AND THE CUSTOMER CAN USE THE CAR,  
          BEFORE THE NEXT YEAR'S FEES ARE DUE.  

UPDATE:      CHARGING EXCESS PENALTIES FOR DELINQUENT REGISTRATION  

          This major area is done throughout the State and is done  
          often.   Major additional penalties are charged the  
          present, or subsequent owner, at the time the  
          registration is completed and the registration had  
          expired over one year previously and fees had been  
          previously paid.  This does not happen all of the time  
          but it happens a lot of the time and results in serious  
          overcharges for the public.  The dmv technician will  
          treat the transaction as a situation whereby  
          all of the fees and penalties are paid as of the date of  
          completion, AND CHARGE PENALTIES ACCORDINGLY.  The proper  
          way is to evidence each payment when made and charge only  
          the penalty due for each delinquency in accordance when  
          the fees were paid.  This results if a much lower total  
          penalty assessment and is the correct, legal, and honest  
          way it is supposed to be done.  

EXAMPLE:  1st year delinquency penalty(after 30 days) is 60%, plus  
the registration, which is due for each year;  2nd year is up to  
80%; and the 3rd year is a whopping, unconscionable, 160%.  If the  
3rd year delinquent fees (now @160% penalty) had been paid after  
they were first due, or even prior to the date of delinquency, but,  
for whatever reason the registration wasn't completed, the (now)  
third year delinquency would have either been 40% (the old first  
year delinquency penalty) or there would have been none.  By  
treating all of the money as having been paid currently the old  
(now 3rd year) fees would now bear a penalty of 160%.  This is  
likewise for the 2nd year.   THIS HAPPENS A LOT.  

          There are numerous instances of additional abuses of the  
          public by the DMV.  We have personally witnessed these  
          over the years, none of which should be permitted,  
          especially by a State agency which proclaims, on most  
          publications, to be  "A PUBLIC SERVICE AGENCY".  

                          FURTHER DEVELOPMENTS  

                        ADDITIONAL DMV ABUSES  

          FOREIGNER CHEATED OUT OF $807 BY DMV SUPERVISOR.  

          Patty Davis was the registration supervisor at the Culver  
          City DMV field office.  Tadayuki Sato was a visitor from  
          Japan.  

          Mr. Sato speaks almost no English.  Mr. Sato purchased a  
          1950 Harley Davidson motorcycle to take back to Japan  
          with him.  The motorcycle was currently registered.  Mr.  
          Sato was given the properly endorsed ownership  
          certificate.  The motorcycle remained at the sellers,  
          where it was to be trailered to the docks for shipment to  
          Japan.  

          Basically there is no sales tax due on a sale for export  
          if the vehicle is not used after the sale.  Not only is  
          this factor applicable in this case, Mr. Sato needed  
          nothing else to ship the motorcycle out of the country.  
          Having the title is sufficient.  Mr. Sato was told that  
          he needed a shipping document.  Since he did not speak  
          English, there was some communication problem and Mr.  
          Sato went to the C.C. DMV field office by mistake.  He  
          did not know what he was doing and, when asked for his  
          papers he told the technician that the motorcycle was  
          "for export" and gave the technician his title,  
          thinking he would get a shipping document.  The  
          technician charged Mr. Sato $807.  This was a transfer  
          fee of $9.00 and use tax of $798.00.  

          Mr. Sato paid the money because he was worried.  He was a  
          foreign visitor in a government agency and was  
          intimitated, so he paid the amount requested.  After Mr.  
          Sato left the counter he immediately used the public  
          phone in the field office and called the person he  
          purchased the motorcycle from, a Mr. Stephen Alamango.  

          Mr. Alamongo immediately called the field office and  
          talked to supervisor Davis, explaining the whole thing.  
          Mr.  Alamongo explained that there were no taxes due, as  
          the motorcycle was being held for export and that Mr.  
          Sato did not need to do anything at the DMV, that he went  
          there by accident.  Mr. Alamongo requested that Ms. Davis  
          cancel the transaction and refund Mr. Sato's money.  Ms.  
          Davis had the authority to do so, but she refused.  

          Ms. Davis informed Mr. Alamongo that the technician did  
          not understand Mr. Sato when he talked about exporting  
          the motorcycle.  Mr. Alamongo asked, "if you didn't  
          understand him then why did you take his money in the  
          first place?". Ms. Davis had no response.  This happens  
          to be the way the DMV, and Ms. Davis in particluar,  
          handles things, BUT IS THIS THE WAY WE WISH TO TREAT  
          VISITORS TO OUR STATE?   Just for the record, this is  
          also the way they (the DMV) treats residents.  

               CHARGING NEW OWNERS FOR PARKING TICKETS  

                    RECEIVED BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER  

          We have experienced many instances where, at the time the  
          vehicle is being registered (transferred) to the new  
          owner, the DMV technician will attempt, improperly, to  
          charge a new buyer for outstanding tickets, which were  
          received when the vehicle was owned by the previous  
          owner.  This is improper and, when pointed out to the  
          technician, the record is corrected and the erroneously  
          charged monies are taken off.  Unfortunately many members  
          of the public do not know the law and are sadly  
          overcharged.  

          Until recently we had never seen the DMV, and this comes  
          directly from Sacramento DMV headquarters, attempt to  
          charge a new owner, on his registration renewal notice,  
          for the parking tickets acquired by the old owner.  

          In this case Mr. Diaz purchased his car on December 11,  
          1992.  This date is clearly stated on the "CERTIFICATE OF  
          TITLE".  The dates of the tickets are from September 30,  
          1992, which is clearly prior to Mr. Diaz purchasing the  
          car.  DMV has no legal right to attempt to collect  
          tickets from a new owner for outstanding violations from  
          a previous owner.

        The foregoing information has been provided, courtesy of:

          DMV VEHICLE REGISTRATION AND FILING SERVICE.

THE FIRM REPRESENTS THE PUBLIC AND BUSINESSES IN ALL OF THEIR REGISTRATION
NEEDS.  THIS COVERS THE INITIAL TRANSFER AND REGISTRATION OF ALL TYPES OF
MOTOR VEHICLES AND TRAILERS, AND ALSO INCLUDES BOAT REGISTRATIONS; THE
RENEWAL OF THE YEARLY STICKERS; THE REPLACEMENT OF LOST OR STOLEN TAGS,
PLATES, TITLES, ETC.; AND OBTAINING CUSTOM, NAME, LICENSE PLATES.  THE
FIRM SPECIALIZES IN THE REGISTRATION OF OUT OF STATE VEHICLES, CLASSIC AND
HISTORIC CARS AND CAN ASSIST YOU WITH THE REGISTRATION OF JUNKED,
SALVAGED, LIEN SOLD VEHICLES, AND/OR VEHICLES THAT HAVE DROPPED FROM THE
DMV COMPUTER.  HUNDREDS OF $$$$ CAN BE SAVED IN MANY INSTANCES IN THE
REGISTRATION OF THESE TYPES OF VEHICLES.  ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS KNOW THE
LAW AND HOW TO APPLY IT.  EVEN IF YOU HAVE LOST ALL OF YOUR PAPERS, OR
NEVER RECEIVED THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE, THE FIRM CAN HELP YOU REGISTER
YOUR VEHICLE.  E-MAIL THEM OR DROP THEM A LINE.

E-MAIL TO:  dm...@leonardo.net or use direct mail to:

DMV REGISTRATION SERVICE; P.O. BOX 66373; L.A., CALIF. 90066-0373


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