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AMD surging in consumer PC market

Chath

AMD surging in consumer PC market

by Chath » Sun, 14 Feb 1999 04:00:00

AMD surging in consumer PC market  

Though Advanced Micro Devices isn't bowling over Wall Street, it is doing the equivalent to
archrival Intel at retail stores across the country. In a scenario that would have seemed
unbelievable only a year ago, AMD has swept the shelves at many retail PC stores across the
country. This success comes despite less-than-encouraging earnings reports from the
Sunnyvale, California-based chip manufacturer. And these systems aren't coming from second
tier vendors. Consumer PCs on shelves today from the top three retail suppliers--Compaq, IBM,
and Hewlett-Packard--seem to be nearly all based around AMD chips. Sunday paper inserts are
awash in AMD green.

"We make more money on the AMD systems," said one representative at a CompUSA store in
suburban Philadelphia. "It's all AMDthat's what they send us," quipped a sales person. Intel,
of course, isn't standing still. On January 4, the company released new Celeron processors
and pledged that it would win back retail market share. Price cuts on chips have flown from
Intel since, and even faster Celerons are on the way next month. The company has also
dedicated millions to a marketing effort around Celeron.

AMD's rise can be seen at CompUSA, the largest PC retailer, where desktop PCs using Intel
processors are completely absent in some lines. The store sells consumer systems from all
three of the major consumer PC makers. At some stores surveyed on the West and East Coasts,
CompUSA had no Compaq systems on the sales floor using Intel processors. All models, with
exception of one or two that come with a Cyrix chip, were based on the AMD K6-2 processor. An
OfficeMax store on the East Coast had no Intel systems.

In a large downtown CompUSA store in New York, the makeup of consumer models from IBM is
similar: AMD K6-2 across the board. An IBM spokesperson confirmed that most of its consumer
systems use AMD chips but said this could change anytime. IBM evaluates the components it
will use in consumer PCs month to month, he said. "Megahertz sells," said Mike Feibus, a
principal at market researcher Mercury Research. The megahertz rating is the principal
benchmark that consumers use to distinguish models. At any given price point in the low end,
AMD sells more megahertz, Feibus said. "This was Intel's wake-up callnow you see fast and
furious price declines and speed bumps [increases] from Intel trying to correct this."

HP is also keen on using the K6. HP systems that appear at CompUSA, and stores such as
Circuit City and Microcenter, are also mostly AMD, though there are one or two Intel models.
A CompUSA store south of San Francisco carried no Intel-based systems from Compaq or IBM,
though there were two HP models with Intel Pentium II chips. However, a sales person did say
that new Pentium III systems from one or all of these vendors are expected in the coming
weeks. On the 26th, Intel will introduce the Pentium III processor and high-end consumer
systems Compaq, IBM, and Hewlett-Packard are expected. Moreover, Intel dominates business and
corporate systems including notebooks, desktops, and servers. But this may be changing
slowly. "AMD is using its beachhead in U.S. retail to push into other spaces that have
historically been Intel-only market segmentsareas such as notebooks, direct, and possibly
even the corporate channel," Feibus said.

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Mr. E

AMD surging in consumer PC market

by Mr. E » Mon, 15 Feb 1999 04:00:00

Yes AMD is surging but there is a shortage of supply of chips at the *
discounters * where volume sales take place. www.buycomp.com  and
www.necx.com have a combined 40,000 K6-2 350mhz's on back order with a 2 to
4 week delay for delivery to them. What is happening is that AMD is
supplying the box makers and resellers with the processors first before
sending a volume supply to the discounters. Maybe this is a tactic to keep
the chip prices from falling further or perhaps AMD has production yield
problems. I dunno, all I know is that if I have to wait much longer, I am
going to reverse course and move to the Intel BX motherboards with the new
Celeron. I do not stand alone in this thought. (BTW, I am looking for the
retail boxed version of the AMD processors and will only buy when discounted
at the above websites. I don't trust the OEM versions of the chip. Too many
problems with proper shipping of OEM versions of chips.)
AES

AMD surging in consumer PC market

by AES » Mon, 15 Feb 1999 04:00:00

Checkout pricing at www.abservice.net

>Yes AMD is surging but there is a shortage of supply of chips at the *
>discounters * where volume sales take place. www.buycomp.com  and
>www.necx.com have a combined 40,000 K6-2 350mhz's on back order with a 2 to
>4 week delay for delivery to them. What is happening is that AMD is
>supplying the box makers and resellers with the processors first before
>sending a volume supply to the discounters. Maybe this is a tactic to keep
>the chip prices from falling further or perhaps AMD has production yield
>problems. I dunno, all I know is that if I have to wait much longer, I am
>going to reverse course and move to the Intel BX motherboards with the new
>Celeron. I do not stand alone in this thought. (BTW, I am looking for the
>retail boxed version of the AMD processors and will only buy when
discounted
>at the above websites. I don't trust the OEM versions of the chip. Too many
>problems with proper shipping of OEM versions of chips.)

Mr. E

AMD surging in consumer PC market

by Mr. E » Mon, 15 Feb 1999 04:00:00

Sorry, no way. They are just another supplier of OEM chips with a 15 day
warranty. (And they are overpriced at that.!)

Good luck.


>Checkout pricing at www.abservice.net

>>Yes AMD is surging but there is a shortage of supply of chips at the *
>>discounters * where volume sales take place. www.buycomp.com  and
>>www.necx.com have a combined 40,000 K6-2 350mhz's on back order with a 2
to
>>4 week delay for delivery to them. What is happening is that AMD is
>>supplying the box makers and resellers with the processors first before
>>sending a volume supply to the discounters. Maybe this is a tactic to keep
>>the chip prices from falling further or perhaps AMD has production yield
>>problems. I dunno, all I know is that if I have to wait much longer, I am
>>going to reverse course and move to the Intel BX motherboards with the new
>>Celeron. I do not stand alone in this thought. (BTW, I am looking for the
>>retail boxed version of the AMD processors and will only buy when
>discounted
>>at the above websites. I don't trust the OEM versions of the chip. Too
many
>>problems with proper shipping of OEM versions of chips.)

Darren Garris

AMD surging in consumer PC market

by Darren Garris » Fri, 19 Feb 1999 04:00:00



Yet you will deal with Buy.com?  Check dejanews to see how very low
the general opinion of this company is.

Steven Wis

AMD surging in consumer PC market

by Steven Wis » Fri, 19 Feb 1999 04:00:00

I just purchased a CPU from Buy.com.

They said they had it in stock so I ordered it with two day delivery
so I could put a machine together by the weekend.  The second  day
came and I got an email telling me that it is backordered and will be
2 to 4 weeks before it comes in and if I want to cancel the order that
I should call them. Well that day was Friday, I got the email late
Friday and called them on Mon.  Well they said that they would cancel
the order and refund my credit card since they had already charged me
the day of my order even though it was not in stock and would
aparently not be sent for 2 to 4 weeks.  Well after canceling the
order and my ordering it from somewhere else, I recieved the order
afterall.  Now it looks like it will cost me half the cost of the  CPU
to return it since it is not damaged.

No I don't want to do anymore business with BUY.COM

Steve Wiser





>>Yes AMD is surging but there is a shortage of supply of chips at the *
>>discounters * where volume sales take place. www.buycomp.com  and
>>www.necx.com have a combined 40,000 K6-2 350mhz's on back order with a 2 to
>>4 week delay for delivery to them. What is happening is that AMD is
>>supplying the box makers and resellers with the processors first before
>>sending a volume supply to the discounters. Maybe this is a tactic to keep
>>the chip prices from falling further or perhaps AMD has production yield
>>problems. I dunno, all I know is that if I have to wait much longer, I am
>>going to reverse course and move to the Intel BX motherboards with the new
>>Celeron. I do not stand alone in this thought. (BTW, I am looking for the
>>retail boxed version of the AMD processors and will only buy when discounted
>>at the above websites. I don't trust the OEM versions of the chip. Too many
>>problems with proper shipping of OEM versions of chips.)

>Yet you will deal with Buy.com?  Check dejanews to see how very low
>the general opinion of this company is.

Jorge Har

AMD surging in consumer PC market

by Jorge Har » Fri, 19 Feb 1999 04:00:00

Isn't there a regulation that forbids them to charge you before they ship?,
I don't use credit card, but I read it somewhere (Minotaur Technologies I
think), if there is, I guess you could report them, i don't know where
though
Jack

AMD surging in consumer PC market

by Jack » Sat, 20 Feb 1999 04:00:00

Just curious, Steve,...was it a Celeron 300A? I, and perhaps a few thousand
other people, have one on backorder there.
Tom

AMD surging in consumer PC market

by Tom » Sat, 20 Feb 1999 04:00:00

According to US law if you receive a product via mail or other delivery
service, that you did not order, you are under no obligation to return that
product or pay for it!
Drake Christens

AMD surging in consumer PC market

by Drake Christens » Sun, 21 Feb 1999 04:00:00


says...
IANAL, but I remember reading somewhere once that they're allowed to
charge when you order, but if they don't ship within 30 days then they
either must credit your card or at least offer to (can't remember which.)
Larr

AMD surging in consumer PC market

by Larr » Tue, 23 Feb 1999 04:00:00

It looks like Buy.com drop-ships directly out of their distributers
(Ingram Micro) warehouses.  This immensely complicates things like
cancelled orders, returns, damaged goods, etc...

It will be interesting to see how well the buying public puts up with
the inevitable problems this distribution method entails...

-Larry


> I just purchased a CPU from Buy.com.

> They said they had it in stock so I ordered it with two day delivery
> so I could put a machine together by the weekend.  The second  day
> came and I got an email telling me that it is backordered and will be
> 2 to 4 weeks before it comes in and if I want to cancel the order that
> I should call them. Well that day was Friday, I got the email late
> Friday and called them on Mon.  Well they said that they would cancel
> the order and refund my credit card since they had already charged me
> the day of my order even though it was not in stock and would
> aparently not be sent for 2 to 4 weeks.  Well after canceling the
> order and my ordering it from somewhere else, I recieved the order
> afterall.  Now it looks like it will cost me half the cost of the  CPU
> to return it since it is not damaged.

> No I don't want to do anymore business with BUY.COM

Larr

AMD surging in consumer PC market

by Larr » Tue, 23 Feb 1999 04:00:00

I question whether we will actually ever see any more of these.

Intel is scared to hell about this processor for the obvious reasons.  I
bet that if it does ship again, it's double-clock-locked.

Watch...

-Larry


> Just curious, Steve,...was it a Celeron 300A? I, and perhaps a few thousand
> other people, have one on backorder there.


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