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by **Ian Bel** » Fri, 24 May 2002 23:35:53

GT mod V3 within 2 weeks.

All High-res cars
New physics
New AI
Pitcrews
New***pits
New Menus
Diablo added
All meshes updated
Multi emap system implemented

Check out the pics!

www.simbin.com

Cheers

Ian

by **Douglas Elliso** » Fri, 24 May 2002 23:41:33

Doug

by **Douglas Elliso** » Fri, 24 May 2002 23:45:27

Probably the single best sim mod ever - and imho - it's trashed by the
'quality' of the tracks.

Doug

by **Ian Bel** » Fri, 24 May 2002 23:55:02

Well, the next big push from the team (apart from the early 70's mod we're
considering) is to get a lot of new tracks out.
And thanks for the kind comments Doug. The other Doug has worked wonders
given the limitations of the 2001 engine and is hard at work with the 2002
version physics.

Ian

> > <starts looking for F12001 CD again>

> <crying at the state of the tracks>

> Probably the single best sim mod ever - and imho - it's trashed by the
> 'quality' of the tracks.

> Doug

by **Douglas Elliso** » Sat, 25 May 2002 00:02:30

Now THAT sounds more like it.

In a cunning move - they put a fundamentally flat track into the F12k2 demo
so we cant tell if they're still ***y awfull - but hopefully they'll ahve
thrown a few more polys into the track ( I mean, a meshsmooth in 3ds max
would do!!)

I must admit - I do like the 2k2 demo - so I'm looking forward to see what
you guys can do with it!!

Seing as we've heard NOTHING on the WSC front for a very long time, and TIR
& Race Driver both sound like they'll be fairly ***- a GT mod onto F12k2
is probably going to be the best sim that doesnt involve going round and
round and round and round in circles like N2k2

:D

Doug

by **SimRace** » Sat, 25 May 2002 00:38:28

> > Well, the next big push from the team (apart from the early 70's mod
we're
> > considering) is to get a lot of new tracks out.
> > And thanks for the kind comments Doug. The other Doug has worked wonders
> > given the limitations of the 2001 engine and is hard at work with the
2002
> > version physics.

> > Ian

> Now THAT sounds more like it.

> In a cunning move - they put a fundamentally flat track into the F12k2
demo
> so we cant tell if they're still ***y awfull - but hopefully they'll
ahve
> thrown a few more polys into the track ( I mean, a meshsmooth in 3ds max
> would do!!)

> I must admit - I do like the 2k2 demo - so I'm looking forward to see what
> you guys can do with it!!

> Seing as we've heard NOTHING on the WSC front for a very long time, and
TIR
> & Race Driver both sound like they'll be fairly ***- a GT mod onto F12k2
> is probably going to be the best sim that doesnt involve going round and
> round and round and round in circles like N2k2

> :D

> Doug

LOL! So all the F1 and GT tracks are open ended? I think that all racing is
going in circles personally...some circles just aren't oval shaped. About
the only way to NOT race in circles is to drag race.

by **Nick** » Sat, 25 May 2002 05:47:48

Or rally. I like the way F1 and GT tracks have lots of corners which seem to
be designed to stop overtaking :-)

--
Nick

"The overriding purpose of software is
to be useful, rather than correct."
John Carmack, id Software

by **SimRace** » Sat, 25 May 2002 06:00:59

> > LOL! So all the F1 and GT tracks are open ended? I think that all racing
> is
> > going in circles personally...some circles just aren't oval shaped.
About
> > the only way to NOT race in circles is to drag race.

> Or rally. I like the way F1 and GT tracks have lots of corners which seem
to
> be designed to stop overtaking :-)

Yup, forgot about segmented stage races like rally. And your other point is
a big reason a lot of US folks don't like F1, no passing. Kinds defeats the
purpose of holding the race IMO.

by **mach** » Sat, 25 May 2002 16:59:18

On Thu, 23 May 2002 21:00:59 GMT, "SimRacer"

>> > LOL! So all the F1 and GT tracks are open ended? I think that all racing
>> is
>> > going in circles personally...some circles just aren't oval shaped.
>About
>> > the only way to NOT race in circles is to drag race.

>> Or rally. I like the way F1 and GT tracks have lots of corners which seem
>to
>> be designed to stop overtaking :-)

>Yup, forgot about segmented stage races like rally. And your other point is
>a big reason a lot of US folks don't like F1, no passing. Kinds defeats the
>purpose of holding the race IMO.

It's not that there can't be any passing, is that a pilot has to be very good
to pass. Provides great moments when a pilot does pass in what seemed an
impossible situation.

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by **Andreas Nystro** » Sat, 25 May 2002 17:24:47

I recently read that modern Formula 1-cars dont use ackerman for steering.
Do F1 2001 do that?, if so, doesnt that apply to the GT-mod too?

by **Grant Reev** » Sat, 25 May 2002 22:21:16

Most race cars don't use ackerman. It's only intended for use at
low-ish speeds with tires that aren't slipping. A race car should
always be sliding at optimal slip angle around a corner, and thus
ackerman becomes somewhat unneccessary. I read that in a book once,
so I presume it's accurate :)

> I recently read that modern Formula 1-cars dont use ackerman for steering.
> Do F1 2001 do that?, if so, doesnt that apply to the GT-mod too?

by **Kendt Eklu** » Sun, 26 May 2002 07:07:07

Damn - I think you guys should change your name to STBDT - Simply The
Best Development Team :).

When is ISI/EA going to throw some cash your way? Your mod was the
reason I picked up F1-2001 in the first place. I'm sure you guys have
resulted in quite a few sales.

Thanks again to SBDT for all the fantastic work! I'm going back to
the website to drool some more :).

Kendt

PS - I'll put my vote in for the next mod being set in the early 70's
- I'm leaning ever so slightly towards a classic sportscar mod. I'm
still hoping that GPL2 might actually happen, even though I know it
won't - NR2003 is on the front burner, I'd bet :(.

> GT mod V3 within 2 weeks.

> All High-res cars
> New physics
> New AI
> Pitcrews
> New***pits
> New Menus
> Diablo added
> All meshes updated
> Multi emap system implemented

> Check out the pics!

> www.simbin.com

> Cheers

> Ian

by **Tim** » Sun, 26 May 2002 08:47:33

Or, just have your teammate pull over and let you pass ;-)

Tim Wortman
North American Simulation Series
www.nasscar.com

by **Nick** » Sat, 25 May 2002 18:17:25

The problem is with the coverage more than anything. Here is a stat I got
somewhere, in terms of passing in F1.

Excluding:
1) The first lap
2) Passing in the pitlane
3) Passing backmarkers

Also, the overtaking car must hold the position until the end of the lap or
it doesn't count.

There were 21 on-track overtaking manouveres for position in the infamous
Austrian Grand Prix. That doesn't count the MS/RB fiasco. Jacques Villeneuve
accounted for 10 all by himself, with his best drive since '97. Throw in the
first lap/first corner shenanigans and passing during pitstops, and you will
see F1 has quite a lot of overtaking, you just don't see any of it on ITV. I
had to watch the Austrian GP on ITV (because I am away from home), and I
spent the entire race wishing I was riding on-board with JV. I might have
even missed the rigging of the result then...

--
Nick

"The overriding purpose of software is
to be useful, rather than correct."
John Carmack, id Software

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