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GP4 First impressions.

Richard Whitcomb

GP4 First impressions.

by Richard Whitcomb » Mon, 24 Jun 2002 03:10:24

My copy arrived today not monday so i can stop playing the downloaded one :)
These points are based on about 3 or 4 days play only.

First impressions,

The manual (or should i say leaflet!).  The previous 3 games have had thick
juicy manuals full of detail and data.  This one comes with a megre 30 page
thin effort that doesnt mention tracks, setup information or just about
anything other than how to drive around in arcade mode.

Its all very well saying "Use the GPaedia" but its a hell of a lot easier to
sit down and digest printed information than to scan through a small window
of text on a dodgy coloured background with irritating background music.
Lets have a return to real documentation with complex games !

A lot of the same problems as GP3.  I calibrate and play my FFB MS wheel and
cant then use the in game menus without unplugging it as the selection keeps
permanently scrolling (it works fine in the game).  Even the mouse wont work
as the selection keeps changing.  Its an identical problem to GP3.  It makes
altering car setup during practice sessions very fiddly.
Why isnt standard Direct Input utilised and an option to disable controller
in the menu ?

Black flags.

Very irritating and still hasnt implemented the simple stop/go and
drive-through penalties.  Slowing the car to 50mph for a while isnt valid
for a jump start.  Its not THAT hard to implement a stop-go within the 10
laps forecast.  As it stands simply cutting a corner even if it has no
effect on the time and/or position EVEN IN PRACTICE can result in a black
flag,  Example at monza, the first bend just putting 1 wheel on the green
paint on the inside of the kerb leads to a flag.  A lot more could have been
done to fix this black flag problem which has been here since the original
F1GP game.

Safety car isnt modelled either.

Launch control is nothing more than a turbo traction control at the start -
it doesnt help you start as soon as the lights go on, simply stops wheel
spin.  Again surely not a huge programming effort to cure.

Performance:

System is an XP2000+ with Geforce2 GTS card, 768mb ram.

Running in 1024 x 768, automatic settings results in about half detail being
selected.  Its fine in practice with higher but CPU occupancy in a race is
130-140% on non graphic intensive circuits.  Even with settings down to half
it still spikes to 120-130 at times during a race causing some odd
behaviour.  I think i may have to knock it to 800 x 600 eventually or risk
turning so much detail off im not going to get turn points etc.

Overall:

Looks like an upgrade to GP3 not a new game.  It seems most of the code has
just been ported, the teams updated (to last years only) and welded onto a
new graphics engine.  Not even known bugs have been addressed and new
features are at a minimum.

Having said that, the gripes aside its still a very good game and one im
likely to be playing for a long time.

Ed Solhei

GP4 First impressions.

by Ed Solhei » Mon, 24 Jun 2002 03:27:11

To me this sounds like just another faulty patch for GP2...
I cannot understand why you guys even bother to buy it...  Crammond has
clearly shown that he either dont care or is incapable of fixing the bugs in
his software.

It's carp - Period.

--
ed_



Tony Rickar

GP4 First impressions.

by Tony Rickar » Mon, 24 Jun 2002 04:43:42

"Ed Solheim" wrote

I think this should have been posted to rec.outdoors.fishing...

Tony

Richard Whitcomb

GP4 First impressions.

by Richard Whitcomb » Mon, 24 Jun 2002 05:01:04



The way i see it is that its an upgrade to GP3 (albeit a minor one).  Its
still the only decent F1 game out there.  I hate the EA series, they all
have an arcadey type feel to them.   It probably wasnt worth the 29 though,
10 for an upgrade to gp3 would have been fairer.  A big missed oppertunity
i think.

Wayne M. Greno

GP4 First impressions.

by Wayne M. Greno » Mon, 24 Jun 2002 05:38:15

The game is crap.  How to use the new technology since Gp2 has passed Geoff
by.  It is such a shame, I always considered him a "*** Legend" ; up
there in the same realm as Dave Krammer of Papyrus.   He should have stopped
there.

I used to play Gp2 for hours along with Indycar 2 and Nascar 2.  I always
considered that era a "golden age" of Racing simulations.  IMO all three
were landmark achievements when they were released.




> > To me this sounds like just another faulty patch for GP2...
> > I cannot understand why you guys even bother to buy it...  Crammond has
> > clearly shown that he either dont care or is incapable of fixing the
bugs
> in
> > his software.

> > It's carp - Period.

> > --

> The way i see it is that its an upgrade to GP3 (albeit a minor one).  Its
> still the only decent F1 game out there.  I hate the EA series, they all
> have an arcadey type feel to them.   It probably wasnt worth the 29
though,
> 10 for an upgrade to gp3 would have been fairer.  A big missed
oppertunity
> i think.

JTBur

GP4 First impressions.

by JTBur » Mon, 24 Jun 2002 06:18:20

LOL!!

Actually, calling the game "carp" may not be too far off the mark.  Carp are
kind of skuzzy fish, just is GP4 is kind of a skuzzy excuse for a race sim.

Todd


Scot

GP4 First impressions.

by Scot » Mon, 24 Jun 2002 08:01:17


> On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 18:10:24 +0000 (UTC), "Richard Whitcombe"

> >A lot of the same problems as GP3.  I calibrate and play my FFB MS wheel and
> >cant then use the in game menus without unplugging it as the selection keeps
> >permanently scrolling (it works fine in the game).  Even the mouse wont work
> >as the selection keeps changing.  Its an identical problem to GP3.  It makes
> >altering car setup during practice sessions very fiddly.
> >Why isnt standard Direct Input utilised and an option to disable controller
> >in the menu ?

> There was such an option in GP3. There isn't one in GP4 buried
> somewhere?

Workshop > Menu Setup > Disable Joystick Control In Menu (or something like that).
Frod

GP4 First impressions.

by Frod » Mon, 24 Jun 2002 08:03:59


I get much much better performance like that with my 1.2GHz CPU and
GF3Ti200. That performance loss is down to your graphics card I'm afraid.
Well, that and GC's programming. You're almost certainly maxing out your GF2
with that CPU so an upgrade should be in order even so though. :)

Apart from that, I agree with everything else you state. You took the words
right outta my mouth.

--
Frode

Ronald Stoeh

GP4 First impressions.

by Ronald Stoeh » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 00:27:26



snip
>>There was such an option in GP3. There isn't one in GP4 buried
>>somewhere?

> Workshop > Menu Setup > Disable Joystick Control In Menu (or something like that).

Oh boy, I missed that one. I still didn't get to read the "manual", well, it's a
couple of pages, even a misprint as the second half of it is in French instead
of German... quality control.

--
l8er
ronny

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