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Steering Wheel

Bruce Gelbar

Steering Wheel

by Bruce Gelbar » Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:34:05

I'm looking for an inexpensive(read cheap)steering wheel. Anyone have
experience with the Saitex or the Logitech
Wingman Formular Gp or the Thrustmaster Nascar Charger. Any insight is
appreciated.
Careful with that axe, Nic

Steering Wheel

by Careful with that axe, Nic » Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:53:11

The wheel I have is the Thrustmaster NASCAR Digital Pro 2.  I like it a
lot in SCGT and F1CS, but in N4 I find it too sensitive, but I think thats
becuase I'm not use to that physics engine yet.  Anyways, I got it for
about 65 bucks at a COMP USA.

Nick


> I'm looking for an inexpensive(read cheap)steering wheel. Anyone have
> experience with the Saitex or the Logitech
> Wingman Formular Gp or the Thrustmaster Nascar Charger. Any insight is
> appreciated.

Disgruntled Go

Steering Wheel

by Disgruntled Go » Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:51:47



I love my Logitech

DG

Txl

Steering Wheel

by Txl » Fri, 16 Feb 2001 19:40:04

saitek is REALLY crap....



Dog-Le

Steering Wheel

by Dog-Le » Sat, 17 Feb 2001 02:39:57

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You know, I think it's because it's a digital wheel.  Digital is not always
better.

Analog wheels have an infinite number of 'values' they provide.  Digital
wheels have a discreet number of values, and a resolution as well.

I have always preferred the feel of an Analog wheel, but it's hard to beat
the totally maintenance-free reliability of the MS FFW.

All little problems aside, I still say the TM Nascar Pro was probably the
best meer-mortal-affordable wheel that was ever made.  You just had to stock
up on pots :)

BTW...  On the Digital 2, is TM still using that absolutely stupid
single-screw attachment point on the steering wheel like they did with the
TM Pro ?  Any brain-dead engineer knows that you never secure circular items
with a single point of attachment because the two parts with rock back and
forth.  The***becomes a pivot point.  At minimum, a tri-screw setup is
needed for proper, centered, non-rocking anchoring...

-Larry



> The wheel I have is the Thrustmaster NASCAR Digital Pro 2.  I like it a
> lot in SCGT and F1CS, but in N4 I find it too sensitive, but I think thats
> becuase I'm not use to that physics engine yet.  Anyways, I got it for
> about 65 bucks at a COMP USA.

> Nick


> > I'm looking for an inexpensive(read cheap)steering wheel. Anyone have
> > experience with the Saitex or the Logitech
> > Wingman Formular Gp or the Thrustmaster Nascar Charger. Any insight is
> > appreciated.

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Sjoerd de Roes

Steering Wheel

by Sjoerd de Roes » Sat, 17 Feb 2001 03:31:25


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>You know, I think it's because it's a digital wheel.  Digital is not always
>better.

>Analog wheels have an infinite number of 'values' they provide.  Digital
>wheels have a discreet number of values, and a resolution as well.

Yes. Although this shouldn't be a problem. They just have to make sure the
resolution on the digital wheels is high enough.

Yes. That also about the only good thing about that wheel.

Agreed! I had to clean the pots sometime but that was a damn fine wheel. I
still use the pedals with my new ferrari FF wheel.

Tony Jeste

Steering Wheel

by Tony Jeste » Sat, 17 Feb 2001 07:46:48

So THAT'S why that stupid***is always getting loose!  Humph, I always
wondered about that.  I mounted a phillips***driver on a chain next to
my computer so I can retighten it every few minutes.

-Tony-


>BTW...  On the Digital 2, is TM still using that absolutely stupid
>single-screw attachment point on the steering wheel like they did with the
>TM Pro ?  Any brain-dead engineer knows that you never secure circular
items
>with a single point of attachment because the two parts with rock back and
>forth.  The***becomes a pivot point.  At minimum, a tri-screw setup is
>needed for proper, centered, non-rocking anchoring...

rdrace

Steering Wheel

by rdrace » Sat, 17 Feb 2001 17:54:28

Look on Ebay for a T2 there great if u dont want force feed back and u
usually can get one on there for around 30 dollars
Rd


Saturn S. Padu

Steering Wheel

by Saturn S. Padu » Sun, 18 Feb 2001 07:04:55



Ugh, a used T2? Why not give him a gamepad to race with instead?

The old TM wheels (T1,T2,GP) and even the first generation gameport
Nascar wheels weren't exactly reliable. These were high maintenace
controllers whose parts needed repetitive placement (pots and springs)
I had a T2 and changed the pots twice before giving up the ghost, then
I picked up a cheap GP and usedmy old T1 pedals with it. It barely
lasted a year. I mean, these first wheels explain all too well why
companies like ECCI and TSW got started.

The time and effort needed to upkeep a T2 isn't worth the money you'll
save.

rdrace

Steering Wheel

by rdrace » Sun, 18 Feb 2001 16:08:40

You must be a beast on your wheel then lol
I've had mine for 2yrs use it almost every day and i've yet to replace the
pots in it
only had to replace the wheel cable thing
and they threw 2 of those and 3 pots for free!!!
now thats support
I have the LWFF and while i love this wheel the support on it sucks !!

Rd
p.s for all those guys who orderd a LWFF from justdeals.com and didnt get
the usb part of it u can order it from logitech for 1$ thats right 1$
that and the power pack are the only thing they sell replacements for





> >Look on Ebay for a T2 there great if u dont want force feed back and u
> >usually can get one on there for around 30 dollars
> >Rd

> Ugh, a used T2? Why not give him a gamepad to race with instead?

> The old TM wheels (T1,T2,GP) and even the first generation gameport
> Nascar wheels weren't exactly reliable. These were high maintenace
> controllers whose parts needed repetitive placement (pots and springs)
> I had a T2 and changed the pots twice before giving up the ghost, then
> I picked up a cheap GP and usedmy old T1 pedals with it. It barely
> lasted a year. I mean, these first wheels explain all too well why
> companies like ECCI and TSW got started.

> The time and effort needed to upkeep a T2 isn't worth the money you'll
> save.

Saturn S. Padu

Steering Wheel

by Saturn S. Padu » Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:01:26



<<<stares at his O.J. glove size extra large hands>>>>>>>

Perhaps I'm being a bit heavy-handed (smack!) in my criticism of the
early TM wheels...but I remember user websites with info on how to
take these suckers apart and perform the replacements yourself. I
don't think I'm the only one with unfond memories of this wheel.
Buying a used one from Ebay is a bad gamble.

Great support is one thing, being solidly constructed and reliable to
minimize the need of such support is another. I've had my CH Products
HOTAS for over five years- and never had to change pots, springs or
bungies. Gawd, how I wish steering wheels were as reliable and sturdy
as my flight sim rig.


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