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Picture This :
Cross finish line, brake to fourth, clip apex
up to sixth, ease off, turn in, flat out, climb
to the left for the back straight - the back
wiggles (controllable!), turn right along
the back sraight (what an enjoyable track).
Then heavy braking, down to third / second
turn right, back wiggles, starts to slide (again
controllable - just!), dab accelerator turn left
then whoosh - around goes the back, completely
uncontrollable,
Okay, me-thinks just learn the track, however
after trying at least 12 different lines in and out of
the chicane (?), I still get very slippy in that
corner, Neilly too has this problem at the start -
through the flat out bit,
I've tried softer rear shocks / larger rear wing,
but to no avail.

Please help, I just need a setup or some advice,
me and Neilly just spend our time arguing so, to
stop a severe split at The Pits, Please Help.....

Cheers

Steve and Jed

or
www.ukps.com/thepits

I imagine you'll be using Watkins Glen on ICR2 with that great utility which fully allows
it, available at The Pits - http://www.ukps.com/thepits/ (plug)
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The Glen is fun isn't it, how's the lap time....?

From what I heard chatting to the guys on CompuServe, when you convert the NASCAR tracks to ICR2,
all the shocks seem to be set at 100% (that's why the car is so loose through the uphill twists
and undrivable at Bristol). With that in mind, try lowering rear pressures to get more grip and
playing with sway bars to remove the tendency to swap gears. Without blatant chicane cutting I
can hit a 57.xxx lap pretty consistently.

Cheers!
John

PS - I'll post the full setup if you want it.

- Steve

Too ***y right I want your setup, in fact I'd morgage my house (that
I don't have!), how do you get below the 1min mark, i'm struggling at
about 1min02, I bow down to your superiority and excellence at ICR2 -
enough grovelling......

Yes I would appreciate an e-mail of your setup, also any hints on
reaching your most fabulous time around the circuit would be rather
splendid, like can you get through the chicane in anything above 2nd
/3rd gear???

Please send ASAP - I'm going madddd!

Cheers
-Steve

You can take it in 4th if you like and exit at 110mph!

Jed
The Pits
www.ukps.com/thepits

Hiya Steve! Okay, the setup was....

Tyre  Compound   PSI   Camber   Shocks
RF     Soft      33    -2.00     70%
RR     Soft      37    -1.10     50%
LR     Soft      37    -0.90     50%
LF     Soft      37    -2.00     70%

Stagger : 0
F-Wing  : 11.4
R-Wing  : 12.6
Lock    : 12 deg.
F-Sway  : 4
R-Sway  : 4
B-Bal.  : 7
Boost   : 9 (of course!)
Gears   : 11.9 / 9.6 / 8.3 / 7.1 / 6.2 / 5.7

I take the chicane in second to get a good boost out. Actually the most
difficult part is the left/right uphill section, my whole setup is based
around that. I still can't _quite_ take it flat, I have a suspicion of a
lift going through T2 and a similar lift just going into the uphill
section. Once the car's straightened out up the hill it's flat on the
gas until the chicane. It's amazing how late you can brake into the
chicane as well - I was used to NASCAR and thumped the brakes at the
first marker - kind of embarassing to come to a standstill a mile short
of the chicane!

Well, good luck!

--
John Wallace

Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.racesimcentral.net/

I tried your setup to see how it affected my car's rear end in the T2
and T3 right left uphill swoop just after the pit lane exit. This
corner is awesome and I can take it flat out on very low boost on the
default setup. When I crank up the boost my rear end flies out on the
final uphill left hander of T3. With THIS setup I was losing the back
end when I took the right hander of T2!!!

This is really annoying and leaves me with a best time of 1:06.xx
because I can't turn the boost up and have to ease it round what I
reckon should be a flying set of corners. More setup I guess.

Still, with the excellent NAS2ICR conversion utility (storming job
especially because it includes a nice slogan instead of the track
picture when you're selecting a track - very thorough!) I can now
really enjoy this excellent circuit. Never did get into it much with
Nascar.Talladega's the same, with the back end just flying out when I
least expect it.

Stuart.
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This message from the home of Stuart Booth,  
Somewhere in England...

Ah, that's what happens when you use inferior control devices you see,
if you'd bought a TSW like me you'd be able to hold that curve no
problem! I'm kidding (although I still reckon the TSW to be the best!).

That's why you have a) the pedal NOT flat to the floor and b) the wheel
lock lowered. With lower lock it forces you to be smoother in turning
into and through the corners and lessens the force trying to step the
back end out. With shocks apparently stuck at 100%, the only other
options are playing with sway bars (possible), less front wing (slower
through corner), more rear wing (slower on straights) or lower boost
(sad accelearation). In this case you need to modify your driving style
or change the setup. I've since run a 0:56.9xx WITHOUT cutting the
chicane (cutting the chicane will easily take you to 0:54.xxx which I've
seen posted here.

I also have a really good 'Dega setup (249.8 mph) but since our styles
are pretty different not much point in posting it! It certainly cures
the back end stepping out - with the default setup I ALWAYS lost the
back end through T3 before the dogleg. Agree with you about the utility,
I never quite got into NASCAR as much as GP or ICR2, too ponderous for
me I think. Indycars around those tracks are a whole new ballgame. I'm
currently chasing a 1:15 around Sears which was set by one of the guys
on CompuServe - one COOL lap I think!

Cheers!
John

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John Wallace

Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/

Watkins Glen  ----  54.909

Front

Wing            11
Bar             6
Shocks          100
Lock            12
R.Cam.  -2.30
L.Cam.          -2.00

Fuel            6 Gals.
Boost           9
Gears           11.70, 9.00, 7.70, 7.00, 6.30, 5.60
Tire Press.     40- All
Stagger         +1.00

Rear

Wing            18
Bar             4
Shocks          70
R. Cam.         -1.90
L. Cam  .       -1.10

Turn one is approached in 6th gear and shortly after top of hill ( track changes color)
downchange to 2nd.  Turn one taken around 115 to 120.  Turn two is 5th gear, very
late apex around 155+.  The trick is the stagger which helps the rear end from
coming around.  You'll need to be up against the right fence to be on the proper line
for the left hander.  A nice easy turn in ( can be taken sometimes flat out ) puts the
car in the middle of the track , hitting the apex at 176 to 178 leading on to the back
straight.
Chicane is 3rd gear (not using much of the track)  and if done fast enough, you will
be at redline going into the sweeper ( taken at 130 or so ).  Up to 6th  and just before
the left the track will change color to a light grey, downshif to 4th, nick the grass and
back into 5th for a short period.
Back down to 2nd and through the last corner .  You should be up to 5th gear by the
time you cross start/finish.

Have a try at it.  Let me know if it works for you.  

-Niki

How do you define 'cutting the chicane'? Do you mean you are cutting the
chicane if you just touch the grass, or how?

I tried to drive the chicane without cutting, but I noticed I had the
tendency to drive a little off the track at the exit point. So, I could
not judge when I was cutting and when not, and started to drive as fast
through the chicane as possible. I'm using your setup, John, and though
it is quite tricky to drive through the fast turns with joystick, I've
still managed a 0:54.394.

Samppa
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  Yes!...Please!... If possible post the full setup!...Thanx