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Hotlap trauma

GraDe

Hotlap trauma

by GraDe » Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Ok, this one has really stumped me, many some of you might know.....

GP3 is out about a week now with warez and all. For arguments sake lets say
7 days. The game is downloaded, give that a few hours. Then for the rest of
that day you look through all the options and stuff of GP3 set it up for
your liking and race around getting a feel for the game.
Your now down to 6 days. That would mean that on average you would need to
be able to create a perfect set-up from, scratch, learn the track inch by
inch and post a sub-normal time in the space of an hour or two at most, and
you'd need to do about an average of 3 tracks a day.
Then post those hotlaps to somewhere like BH Motorsports.com

Now, All I ask is, how do you learn a track so well, create such a perfect
setup and manage to do sub-normal times in the space of an hour or so. I
doubt they spend much more on the track these hotlappers, They must eat and
sleep and see sunlight like the rest of us I would imagine.

How do they do it? It usually takes me weeks and months to do really great
times in a sim on one track alone. Since in an hour or two these guys and
break lap records in a few months they'll be lapping Hockenheim in less than
a minute you'd nearly think.

How do you/they do it?

Macc

Hotlap trauma

by Macc » Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:00:00


>Now, All I ask is, how do you learn a track so well, create such a perfect
>setup and manage to do sub-normal times in the space of an hour or so. I
>doubt they spend much more on the track these hotlappers, They must eat and
>sleep and see sunlight like the rest of us I would imagine.

Im not any good at setting up the car, i just play around with the
ratios and the wing settings, i got no idea about the rest of the
stuff, or what it does.  
I can however memorise a track and where exactly the limit is on each
turn within an hour or so, probably less.  

___________________
Macca
"I'd kill myself for you...Id kill you for myself"
Pantera - This Love

ExMrBlond

Hotlap trauma

by ExMrBlond » Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:00:00

WOW !!!

That would take me 3 lifetimes to replicate !!!

HJ Ventur

Hotlap trauma

by HJ Ventur » Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:00:00



Ofcourse some are good. But i can tell you one thing. For example F1 2000.
Look at bhmotorsports.com. Go to 'guides'. And read how they improve their
car. I personnaly find this cheating. Ofcourse they never admit that.
But I raced for example 1:09 at Austria in F1 2000 after racing more than
hundred laps. So pretty good i think. But then you see a hotlap 4 secs
faster. Ofcourse some are better than others, but 4 secs difference has
absolutly to do with editing some things. For example, download the setups
they used. You will see much wings. By cheating they get more horsepower and
can set the wings pretty high, so they have speed and downforce then.....

I wont use this tricks.

I dont know if this is the same with GP3, but i only know they are always
people who are so smart to change things outside of the regular menus.

Eldre

Hotlap trauma

by Eldre » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00


writes:

Why do you say they're cheating?  I'm more than *8* seconds off a couple
records in GPL, but I don't accuse anyone of cheating to get there...

Eldred
--
Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
GPL hcp. +59.33

Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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David Butte

Hotlap trauma

by David Butte » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00




>>Ofcourse some are good. But i can tell you one thing. For example
>>F1 2000. Look at bhmotorsports.com. Go to 'guides'. And read how
>>they improve their car. I personnaly find this cheating. Ofcourse
>>they never admit that. But I raced for example 1:09 at Austria in
>>F1 2000 after racing more than hundred laps. So pretty good i
>>think. But then you see a hotlap 4 secs faster. Ofcourse some are
>>better than others, but 4 secs difference has absolutly to do with
>>editing some things.

>Why do you say they're cheating?  I'm more than *8* seconds off a
>couple records in GPL, but I don't accuse anyone of cheating to get
>there...

Pah! I'm proud of my Ring record, but that's more than half a *minute*
behind Huttu and Woeger. Not sure anyone would accuse them of cheating,
except in nabbing all the talent...

--
David. (GPLRank handicap: -3.90)
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

HJ Ventur

Hotlap trauma

by HJ Ventur » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Well... i just explain how they manage to do it. And they cannot race a time
like that without editing stuff. I personnally find, if others dont know how
to race such times, that you should give that information to them too. I can
tell you, i dont use the replay manager, but with the editing, i would be in
hall of fame in at least 5 tracks. So thats too easy... Call it what you
want, its just they dont do it in the regular way!!! (and i find that
cheating, because the game is not supposed to play in that way)

 > Pah! I'm proud of my Ring record, but that's more than half a *minute*

I'm also proud of mines in F1 2000. I like it if someone is really
competitive. I play races online in F1 2000. The only thing i wanna know
then, is that we race with the same conditions (besides the setups of the
cars). Maybe you can understand a bit what i mean. I am not saying that with
editing files, the games are easy to play. O no... its just i wanna let some
people know where the guys get their advantage.

HJ

Not only the quiet people, dont say much...

Eldre

Hotlap trauma

by Eldre » Wed, 02 Aug 2000 04:00:00


writes:

No, you *didn't* explain how they do it.  You just posted a website, which I
admit I haven't looked at yet.  I'll check it out.

Eldred
--
Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
GPL hcp. +59.33

Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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David Butte

Hotlap trauma

by David Butte » Wed, 02 Aug 2000 04:00:00


<snip>

OK, I've looked at the Setup guide at Blackhole Motorsports, and
frankly I can't see anything wrong with it. It's fairly standard
(though very detailed) advice of the "increase toe-in to stop
wandering" variety. Every setup guide I've read has something of this
sort.

If you're seriously suggesting that players should develop their setups
entirely alone, you're in a very small minority. It just isn't how mist
of us do it.

--
David. (GPLRank handicap: -3.90)
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

HJ Ventur

Hotlap trauma

by HJ Ventur » Wed, 02 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Never said that. I only say that the feature 'enable identical player
vehicle' gives Mcl and Ferrari 30 to 40 more horsepower. Just like that. So
thats without even changing normal carsettings. That was all... So just
explaining to guys who did work *** their settings and dont understand
why they cannot run times like in the Hall of Fame (especially not with the
settings you can download over there). The settings that are available on
such sites are many times settings which you should use in combination with
the feature i mentioned before.

I hope, now its clear ....

David Butte

Hotlap trauma

by David Butte » Wed, 02 Aug 2000 04:00:00


<snip>
<snip>

Ah,I see. We're at cross-purposes here. I thought you were referring to
GPL (where that option isn't possible).

--
David. (GPLRank handicap: -3.90)
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

Chris Not

Hotlap trauma

by Chris Not » Mon, 07 Aug 2000 04:00:00


>Now, All I ask is, how do you learn a track so well, create such a perfect
>setup and manage to do sub-normal times in the space of an hour or so. I
>doubt they spend much more on the track these hotlappers, They must eat and
>sleep and see sunlight like the rest of us I would imagine.

GraDee, it's just statistics... Most everything in the world "bell curves"
out, the bulk of the sample in the middle of the curve, a tiny minority at
the top and bottom ends of the curve.

So, then, if there are 100,000 people who bought GP3, there might be 10,000
that we would count as "serious" sim-drivers. Of that 10,000 "serious"
drivers, one half of one percent, or 20 drivers total, are going to have
posess a skill level that looks like cheating to the rest of us.

Those folks, Huttu, Woeger, and the rest, are the Sennas and Shumachers of
the sim-racing world. No cheating involved, just a mindboggling level of
giftedness.

In the online GPL community, there are frequent joking references to the
"Alien Driver Class". The joke is based on the fact described in the
paragraph above.

See you on the track,
Chris Noto.


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