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by **Txl** » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:30:15

Simple question

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by **Kevin Gavit** » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:03:39

Simple answer:

They don't know yet.

by **Txl** » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:30:02

ok, does anybody in the US (newspapers, drivers, constructors...) have made
ANY proposals.

I would like to remind you that when senna died in 94 in the next race in
Monaco Wendlinger went out, and was probably saved by the modifications that
were decided BETWEEN imola and monaco (the "bathtub" like***pit)

I have read somewhere in this NG that almost all of the nascar teams have
ordered hans devices after daytona...will they be made compulsory ?

> > Simple question

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> Simple answer:

> They don't know yet.

by **Bob Wil** » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:20:17

What is a bathtub***pit? What modifications were made between imola and
monaco?
..Bob

> ok, does anybody in the US (newspapers, drivers, constructors...) have
made
> ANY proposals.

> I would like to remind you that when senna died in 94 in the next race in
> Monaco Wendlinger went out, and was probably saved by the modifications
that
> were decided BETWEEN imola and monaco (the "bathtub" like***pit)

> I have read somewhere in this NG that almost all of the nascar teams have
> ordered hans devices after daytona...will they be made compulsory ?

> > > Simple question

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> > Simple answer:

> > They don't know yet.

by **Bob Wil** » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:35:58

They are going to make seatbelts manditory. I don't say that to be mean, but
to empasize that the accident to #3 was a freak accident, like Senna's was.
If everyone wants to re-design the sport, the tracks, the cars, they should
have done it last year after the accidents in Loudon, NH. But no-one said
anything, no-one cared because the two drivers weren't their heroes. I
think all racing series have done a great job improving safety since I
started going to the tracks 25 years ago. I remember going to my 1st
GrandPrix in 1976 and taking pictures of all the drivers, and two of them
died before the year was finished. Sure there is always more, and they do
things that we don't know about. I think it is a great sport and I think
they make it safe, but at 180mph, or 240mph for Cart, bad things are going
to happen. Lets hope it doesn't for while.
..Bob

by **Richard** » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:22:12

Nothing until the insurance companies tell them to.

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by **Txl** » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 01:09:35

they made the lateral sides of the***pit much higher (looking if you are
seated in a bathtub) to avoid the same thing that killed senna

> What is a bathtub***pit? What modifications were made between imola and
> monaco?
> ..Bob

> > ok, does anybody in the US (newspapers, drivers, constructors...) have
> made
> > ANY proposals.

> > I would like to remind you that when senna died in 94 in the next race
in
> > Monaco Wendlinger went out, and was probably saved by the modifications
> that
> > were decided BETWEEN imola and monaco (the "bathtub" like***pit)

> > I have read somewhere in this NG that almost all of the nascar teams
have
> > ordered hans devices after daytona...will they be made compulsory ?

> > > > Simple question

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> > > Simple answer:

> > > They don't know yet.

by **Bob Wil** » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 02:50:30

Right, I did forget about that. Thanks!
..bob

by **Mika Takal** » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 03:25:25

Only Sauber team did that.
Officially they made them about 10cm higher in 1995, and the first year with
the "bathtub design" was 1996 (although Sauber used the design in 1995
also).

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Mika Takala

by **ymenar** » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 06:58:28

> I would like to remind you that when senna died in 94 in the next race in
> Monaco Wendlinger went out, and was probably saved by the modifications
that
> were decided BETWEEN imola and monaco (the "bathtub" like***pit)

> I have read somewhere in this NG that almost all of the nascar teams have
> ordered hans devices after daytona...will they be made compulsory ?

NASCAR fears technology, they have difficulty with something called "time".
It's not valuable for them, they take whatever lenght it takes (and yes, it
can be VERY long unfortunately).

;(

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by **Wosc** » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:45:40

Just because they didn't do something last year means they aren't allowed to
do something this year?

JB

> They are going to make seatbelts manditory. I don't say that to be mean,
but
> to empasize that the accident to #3 was a freak accident, like Senna's
was.
> If everyone wants to re-design the sport, the tracks, the cars, they
should
> have done it last year after the accidents in Loudon, NH. But no-one said
> anything, no-one cared because the two drivers weren't their heroes. I
> think all racing series have done a great job improving safety since I
> started going to the tracks 25 years ago. I remember going to my 1st
> GrandPrix in 1976 and taking pictures of all the drivers, and two of them
> died before the year was finished. Sure there is always more, and they do
> things that we don't know about. I think it is a great sport and I think
> they make it safe, but at 180mph, or 240mph for Cart, bad things are going
> to happen. Lets hope it doesn't for while.
> ..Bob

> > Simple question

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by **Dog-Le** » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:26:26

If it was a belt failure, as it seems to have been, then I don't know that
any changes would have mattered in this case.

Full Face Helmet or not. HANS or not. If that belt broke, as is being
indicated, then nothing would have made a difference short of a true
miracle.

It was bad luck :(

I, personally, would like to see a full scientific study on that belt,
though. All they can do is make sure that doesn't happen again, like most
race equipment failures.

-Larry

by **Martin Urs** » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:04:00

>they made the lateral sides of the***pit much higher (looking if you are
>seated in a bathtub) to avoid the same thing that killed senna

>> What is a bathtub***pit? What modifications were made between imola and
>> monaco?

This isn't true. Had these***pit modifications been made
prior to Monaco then Karl Wendlinger's injuries would have been
significantly lessened.

Martin
Long Live Nigel Mansell!

by **Txl** » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:34:45

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even though it's "racing" and it's "dangerous" I think a failure in a
safety equipment as important as a belt is not admissible, don't the
officials check the safety equipment of the cars before the races ?

I work in a truck racing team, we have BIIIG cages and stuff, but yet
before every week end the marshalls are coming and are using some
machine to pull on the belts to check tham, among other things....

If nascar is run in such a sloopy way regarding safety equipment
there will be some other dead soon, unfortunately

> If it was a belt failure, as it seems to have been, then I don't
> know that any changes would have mattered in this case.

> Full Face Helmet or not. HANS or not. If that belt broke, as is
> being indicated, then nothing would have made a difference short of
> a true miracle.

> It was bad luck :(

> I, personally, would like to see a full scientific study on that
> belt, though. All they can do is make sure that doesn't happen
> again, like most race equipment failures.

> -Larry

> > Simple question

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