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Firestone 600 - a few notes

jle..

Firestone 600 - a few notes

by jle.. » Wed, 02 May 2001 06:33:32

Just thought I would share a few notes from this weekend with the
group at large.

Friday:

        had a chance to talk for a few minutes with Roberto Moreno
after the practice sessions.  The first thing he said was that he was
extemely tired from the higher-than-expected lateral G forces. He
described it as "a very strange sensation to feel all of your internal
organs go from one side of your torso to the other, then start to move
back into position during the straights but never quite getting there
before the next corner pressed them all back into the right side" of
the torso cavity.  (note: a lap of TMS at 230 MPH is approximately
22.3 seconds with the front straight only being 3 - 4 seconds long and
the back straight about the same)  The drivers knew they had a problem
from the first day they started.

Side notes for the group:

        His favorite track is Spa, he doesn't play video games and has
never formally competed at Nurburgring but likes to drive it.

Side note of possible interest:

        I also chatted with Scott Pruitt for a while and found out
that he is doing LeMans this year (was racing Cup last year).  He was
really pumped about the corvette they were prepping for the 24 hours
this year so I may have to check it out.

Saturday:

        Missed my chace to be a panel judge in the car paint scheme
competition due to a prior committment.  Also missed qualifying for
same reason.  Oh well, the *** Magic 500 (IRL) is only 6 weeks
away.

Sunday:

        Got to the Firestone Pavillion about 10:00 and walked over to
the garage.  Strangely quiet, only a couple of cars being worked on.
No drivers in sight (later found out that the morning driver meeting
was still going on).  Went back and pigged out on beer and prime rib
(life is rough at the races!).  About 11:00 the rumors started making
the rounds in the Pavillion so some calls were made.  Looked like it
had been called off by that point and some officials wanted to make
the announcement at that time to spare the fans already on the way
from coming all the way to the track.  About 11:30 I saw the camera
operator in the boom camera (center of infield, telescoping upright
boom, 360 degree rotation platform) lower the camera so I wandered
over to talk with him (that crew was based in Napa, CA.)  He had heard
from California that the network already knew it was a no-go.  Went
back to the garage and found out that everyone was being herded out.
At 12:00, the president/CEO of CART made the official announcement.
Went back and drowned my sorrows in some more free beer for a while.
Wandered over and chatted with a couple of the folks on the
Shell/Rahal crews while they were breaking down Kenny Brack and Max
Papis' cars to load them up.  I got the impression they were more
upset about CART taking so long to admit there was a problem than
anything else.  Mostly we just chatted about the cars.

        Late Sunday night I found out that Bruton Smith
(developer/owner of Texas Motor Speedway) was being a real jerk about
postponing the race and demanded that CART officials ignore the CART
Medical Officer and Drivers and start the race.  Lawsuits were
threatened if CART didn't run the race as scheduled.  I have always
applauded Bruton for bringing a world class facility to my area and
have enjoyed many a race there.  However, my respect went down a notch
when I found out about his stance with the CART officials.

I guess that is all for now.  Didn't see a race but the rest of the
weekend was definitely a good time (might even say entertaining).  I
am very glad that the drivers were unified in their safety concerns
and convinced the CART officials to err on the side of caution.  In my
opinion, if Bruton was thinking straight, he would realize that
postponing (or even cancelling) a race is much less of a black eye
than forcing a race with so many accidents (potentially) that it could
possibly affect the entire rest of the CART season.  One race does not
a season make, however,  one unsafe race might  a season break.

John Pavlice

Firestone 600 - a few notes

by John Pavlice » Wed, 02 May 2001 06:49:36

Where'd you hear that about Bruton Smith?  Last I saw/heard/read was that he
was upset at CART for not preparing properly for the event, as CART knew
there should be problems and TMS had questioned CART as recently as the
beginning of the month about this.

-Pav


jle..

Firestone 600 - a few notes

by jle.. » Wed, 02 May 2001 07:55:16

CART did some testing last fall prior to signing the agreement with
TMS however the speeds in the test didn't exceed around 215 MPH or so
(I was told, don't have the exact trial times).  I agree that Bruton
may have a legitimate gripe about CARTs track certification testing
methods, I was just concerned that he wanted to force the race and
take unnecessary risks in an already risky sport.  Please feel free to
take anything I say with a grain of salt (only prudent) as I am not
going to speak in specifics on a public forum.

On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:49:36 -0500, "John Pavlicek"


>Where'd you hear that about Bruton Smith?  Last I saw/heard/read was that he
>was upset at CART for not preparing properly for the event, as CART knew
>there should be problems and TMS had questioned CART as recently as the
>beginning of the month about this.

>-Pav



>> Just thought I would share a few notes from this weekend with the
>> group at large.

>> Friday:

>> had a chance to talk for a few minutes with Roberto Moreno
>> after the practice sessions.  The first thing he said was that he was
>> extemely tired from the higher-than-expected lateral G forces. He
>> described it as "a very strange sensation to feel all of your internal
>> organs go from one side of your torso to the other, then start to move
>> back into position during the straights but never quite getting there
>> before the next corner pressed them all back into the right side" of
>> the torso cavity.  (note: a lap of TMS at 230 MPH is approximately
>> 22.3 seconds with the front straight only being 3 - 4 seconds long and
>> the back straight about the same)  The drivers knew they had a problem
>> from the first day they started.

>> Side notes for the group:

>> His favorite track is Spa, he doesn't play video games and has
>> never formally competed at Nurburgring but likes to drive it.

>> Side note of possible interest:

>> I also chatted with Scott Pruitt for a while and found out
>> that he is doing LeMans this year (was racing Cup last year).  He was
>> really pumped about the corvette they were prepping for the 24 hours
>> this year so I may have to check it out.

>> Saturday:

>> Missed my chace to be a panel judge in the car paint scheme
>> competition due to a prior committment.  Also missed qualifying for
>> same reason.  Oh well, the *** Magic 500 (IRL) is only 6 weeks
>> away.

>> Sunday:

>> Got to the Firestone Pavillion about 10:00 and walked over to
>> the garage.  Strangely quiet, only a couple of cars being worked on.
>> No drivers in sight (later found out that the morning driver meeting
>> was still going on).  Went back and pigged out on beer and prime rib
>> (life is rough at the races!).  About 11:00 the rumors started making
>> the rounds in the Pavillion so some calls were made.  Looked like it
>> had been called off by that point and some officials wanted to make
>> the announcement at that time to spare the fans already on the way
>> from coming all the way to the track.  About 11:30 I saw the camera
>> operator in the boom camera (center of infield, telescoping upright
>> boom, 360 degree rotation platform) lower the camera so I wandered
>> over to talk with him (that crew was based in Napa, CA.)  He had heard
>> from California that the network already knew it was a no-go.  Went
>> back to the garage and found out that everyone was being herded out.
>> At 12:00, the president/CEO of CART made the official announcement.
>> Went back and drowned my sorrows in some more free beer for a while.
>> Wandered over and chatted with a couple of the folks on the
>> Shell/Rahal crews while they were breaking down Kenny Brack and Max
>> Papis' cars to load them up.  I got the impression they were more
>> upset about CART taking so long to admit there was a problem than
>> anything else.  Mostly we just chatted about the cars.

>> Late Sunday night I found out that Bruton Smith
>> (developer/owner of Texas Motor Speedway) was being a real jerk about
>> postponing the race and demanded that CART officials ignore the CART
>> Medical Officer and Drivers and start the race.  Lawsuits were
>> threatened if CART didn't run the race as scheduled.  I have always
>> applauded Bruton for bringing a world class facility to my area and
>> have enjoyed many a race there.  However, my respect went down a notch
>> when I found out about his stance with the CART officials.

>> I guess that is all for now.  Didn't see a race but the rest of the
>> weekend was definitely a good time (might even say entertaining).  I
>> am very glad that the drivers were unified in their safety concerns
>> and convinced the CART officials to err on the side of caution.  In my
>> opinion, if Bruton was thinking straight, he would realize that
>> postponing (or even cancelling) a race is much less of a black eye
>> than forcing a race with so many accidents (potentially) that it could
>> possibly affect the entire rest of the CART season.  One race does not
>> a season make, however,  one unsafe race might  a season break.

John Pavlice

Firestone 600 - a few notes

by John Pavlice » Wed, 02 May 2001 08:16:51

One car of Kenny Brack on the track is hardly a worthy test.  No one was
really pushing him, it seems like it was more to just get some laps at the
track.  Dario ran there earlier this year as well and was up in the mid
220's or better.What CART needed to do was something like they have at
Sebring where they have a good number of cars out there at the same time.

-Pav


> CART did some testing last fall prior to signing the agreement with
> TMS however the speeds in the test didn't exceed around 215 MPH or so
> (I was told, don't have the exact trial times).  I agree that Bruton
> may have a legitimate gripe about CARTs track certification testing
> methods, I was just concerned that he wanted to force the race and
> take unnecessary risks in an already risky sport.  Please feel free to
> take anything I say with a grain of salt (only prudent) as I am not
> going to speak in specifics on a public forum.

> On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:49:36 -0500, "John Pavlicek"

> >Where'd you hear that about Bruton Smith?  Last I saw/heard/read was that
he
> >was upset at CART for not preparing properly for the event, as CART knew
> >there should be problems and TMS had questioned CART as recently as the
> >beginning of the month about this.

> >-Pav



> >> Just thought I would share a few notes from this weekend with the
> >> group at large.

> >> Friday:

> >> had a chance to talk for a few minutes with Roberto Moreno
> >> after the practice sessions.  The first thing he said was that he was
> >> extemely tired from the higher-than-expected lateral G forces. He
> >> described it as "a very strange sensation to feel all of your internal
> >> organs go from one side of your torso to the other, then start to move
> >> back into position during the straights but never quite getting there
> >> before the next corner pressed them all back into the right side" of
> >> the torso cavity.  (note: a lap of TMS at 230 MPH is approximately
> >> 22.3 seconds with the front straight only being 3 - 4 seconds long and
> >> the back straight about the same)  The drivers knew they had a problem
> >> from the first day they started.

> >> Side notes for the group:

> >> His favorite track is Spa, he doesn't play video games and has
> >> never formally competed at Nurburgring but likes to drive it.

> >> Side note of possible interest:

> >> I also chatted with Scott Pruitt for a while and found out
> >> that he is doing LeMans this year (was racing Cup last year).  He was
> >> really pumped about the corvette they were prepping for the 24 hours
> >> this year so I may have to check it out.

> >> Saturday:

> >> Missed my chace to be a panel judge in the car paint scheme
> >> competition due to a prior committment.  Also missed qualifying for
> >> same reason.  Oh well, the *** Magic 500 (IRL) is only 6 weeks
> >> away.

> >> Sunday:

> >> Got to the Firestone Pavillion about 10:00 and walked over to
> >> the garage.  Strangely quiet, only a couple of cars being worked on.
> >> No drivers in sight (later found out that the morning driver meeting
> >> was still going on).  Went back and pigged out on beer and prime rib
> >> (life is rough at the races!).  About 11:00 the rumors started making
> >> the rounds in the Pavillion so some calls were made.  Looked like it
> >> had been called off by that point and some officials wanted to make
> >> the announcement at that time to spare the fans already on the way
> >> from coming all the way to the track.  About 11:30 I saw the camera
> >> operator in the boom camera (center of infield, telescoping upright
> >> boom, 360 degree rotation platform) lower the camera so I wandered
> >> over to talk with him (that crew was based in Napa, CA.)  He had heard
> >> from California that the network already knew it was a no-go.  Went
> >> back to the garage and found out that everyone was being herded out.
> >> At 12:00, the president/CEO of CART made the official announcement.
> >> Went back and drowned my sorrows in some more free beer for a while.
> >> Wandered over and chatted with a couple of the folks on the
> >> Shell/Rahal crews while they were breaking down Kenny Brack and Max
> >> Papis' cars to load them up.  I got the impression they were more
> >> upset about CART taking so long to admit there was a problem than
> >> anything else.  Mostly we just chatted about the cars.

> >> Late Sunday night I found out that Bruton Smith
> >> (developer/owner of Texas Motor Speedway) was being a real jerk about
> >> postponing the race and demanded that CART officials ignore the CART
> >> Medical Officer and Drivers and start the race.  Lawsuits were
> >> threatened if CART didn't run the race as scheduled.  I have always
> >> applauded Bruton for bringing a world class facility to my area and
> >> have enjoyed many a race there.  However, my respect went down a notch
> >> when I found out about his stance with the CART officials.

> >> I guess that is all for now.  Didn't see a race but the rest of the
> >> weekend was definitely a good time (might even say entertaining).  I
> >> am very glad that the drivers were unified in their safety concerns
> >> and convinced the CART officials to err on the side of caution.  In my
> >> opinion, if Bruton was thinking straight, he would realize that
> >> postponing (or even cancelling) a race is much less of a black eye
> >> than forcing a race with so many accidents (potentially) that it could
> >> possibly affect the entire rest of the CART season.  One race does not
> >> a season make, however,  one unsafe race might  a season break.

jle..

Firestone 600 - a few notes

by jle.. » Wed, 02 May 2001 09:40:55

John,

        I absolutely agree that CART needed a fair portion of a full
grid to do any realistic testing, as well as extended lap counts.

On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:16:51 -0500, "John Pavlicek"


>One car of Kenny Brack on the track is hardly a worthy test.  No one was
>really pushing him, it seems like it was more to just get some laps at the
>track.  Dario ran there earlier this year as well and was up in the mid
>220's or better.What CART needed to do was something like they have at
>Sebring where they have a good number of cars out there at the same time.

>-Pav



>> CART did some testing last fall prior to signing the agreement with
>> TMS however the speeds in the test didn't exceed around 215 MPH or so
>> (I was told, don't have the exact trial times).  I agree that Bruton
>> may have a legitimate gripe about CARTs track certification testing
>> methods, I was just concerned that he wanted to force the race and
>> take unnecessary risks in an already risky sport.  Please feel free to
>> take anything I say with a grain of salt (only prudent) as I am not
>> going to speak in specifics on a public forum.

Tim Vannam

Firestone 600 - a few notes

by Tim Vannam » Thu, 03 May 2001 03:28:06

I don't think CART will ever come back to the oval course.  Maybe
the road course.  You may see a few cars come back to test the
oval, tho.

Tim.

Jaso

Firestone 600 - a few notes

by Jaso » Thu, 03 May 2001 07:33:58

Check out my video highlights of CART qualifying at Texas.  A couple
terrifyingly fast incar laps too!
http://www.jasonfagan.com/autos/media.html

Jason

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Mike Donnelly J

Firestone 600 - a few notes

by Mike Donnelly J » Thu, 10 May 2001 23:32:35

Well, if they do more ovals I'll watch even less of CART than I do now.
I *used* to be a big CART fan but with all the damn roadies they're
adding, it's about as much fun as watching F1 (where the theme is "I
love a parade!).

> I don't think CART will ever come back to the oval course.  Maybe
> the road course.  You may see a few cars come back to test the
> oval, tho.

> Tim.

Tim Vannam

Firestone 600 - a few notes

by Tim Vannam » Sat, 12 May 2001 04:01:30

Let me clarify my earlier statement....

I meant coming back to the oval at TMS, not ovals in general.

Tim.


>Well, if they do more ovals I'll watch even less of CART than I do now.
>I *used* to be a big CART fan but with all the damn roadies they're
>adding, it's about as much fun as watching F1 (where the theme is "I
>love a parade!).


>> I don't think CART will ever come back to the oval course.  Maybe
>> the road course.  You may see a few cars come back to test the oval,
>> tho.

>> Tim.


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