rec.autos.simulators

          i have been reading this site for over a year now ,and just a
month ago, finally
went to your homepage. Great stuff. Great sense of humour. i have
followed your
plight, religiously(sp) and think i might have some good advise for you.
first of all, i just
put in my last laps so i could get a gplrank, 614 or something like
that, but thats not
important as the only track i've done more than 3 laps at is Monza. This
is because
i also play; SCGT, NHRA2, OF1R, F1WGP, F12000, VIPER, NASCAR3, and Mobil

rally champ. I just started this video *** and quickly realized after
reading a couple of weeks of R.A.S. that GPL was going to require hours
and hours of practice before
having any reasonable skill.In other words, i fully expect my rank to go
down quickly
now that i have added the 30 extra tracks-textures-sounds and utilities
that really make the game better than it came out of the box. Ok your a
bowler, and a pretty good one
from those averages. I myself try to bowl once or twice a year and can
usually average 185 for 3 or 4 games.you need to use the skills that
make you a good bowler, and translate them to GPL. What i mean is, you
probaly know immediatly why a shot
was missed. Too much wrist, not enough knee bend, and so on. How this
translates to gpl is that you really need to identify why you went into
the grass. theres only a couple of answers right? Did'nt brake early
enough, or hard enough or missed the apex.
Now when you get to this turn on the next lap you have to use the
knowledge from
previous lap and adjust accordingly just like moving over a spot or two
in bowling. Brake a little earlier and a little harder and concentrate
on not turning in at the same point you did the turn before. With this
method of trial and error, you can be flying thru a difficult turn after
about 5-10 laps. Also, i use the allison ferrari setups and dont touch
them, and have found that you can take alot of corners much faster than
it
would seem. And tapping accelerator just before apex will do wonders in
the right
setup.to sum this up, dont make the same errors in the same turns all
the time. try
10 laps and on each one do something different that should help get you
thru the corner faster and with more speed. 9 times out of 10, if you
drift the apex into the grass, chances are you missed the turn in. it
was probaly a hair earlier. you cant be a good bowler and not have some
athletic ability. be more confident while driving because it seems you
enter most corners positive something will go wrong.Just a thought. I
hope
this helps you and if you've already tried all this-try again!

lancemanyun

P.S.- if you want maybe we could hookup some night and just run laps and
if one of us spins the other will wait. no racing-just learning- and its
more fun when there is always
a car in front or behind you that you can see. let me know...

Just my quick note...nothing against you guys going out to drive together,
but I think Eldred needs a different kind of breakthrough in his driving.

Jesse Black

And is there any magic word that will suddenly make everything clear?<g>  It
sounds like a catch-22 though.  You can't make the change in driving style
until you feel it.  But, you can't feel it until you DO it...

Eldred
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I don't really have a 'set' turn-in point.  That's probably why I can't be
consistent.  I may have a braking point, but it's more like "Okay, right
about....HERE..."  Part of my problem is that I can't see the track clearly
enough to 'anticipate' where I'll be.  I have to 'react' to where the car is
when it gets there...  Ok, I realize that won't make any sense to anyone but
me...<g>

Agreed.  I learned this at the Skip Barber school.  You turn early, so now the
angle on the exit will cause you to drift off the turn.  If you lift(common
reaction) the weight unloading from the back and onto the front(likely in full
turning lock) tends to cause a snap spin.
There are some turns where I turn early 95% of the time, and don't know why.
Someone mentioned this about my Rouen replay(turn 2 and Gresil).  I watched the
replay again, and sure enough, I was turning 1.5 to 2 car lengths earlier than
he was.  So back to the track I go, armed with this new knowledge.  Guess what
- I *still* turn early.  I even tried driving in granny mode, and still wanted
to turn early.  Rouen is one of the tracks where I can't see the turns clearly,
so I think I'm turning at the FIRST sign of entering the turn, which is too
early.  I think I do the same thing at Masta, which has cost me more Ferraris
than I can count...<g>

I don't seem to be able to pick up enough clues/feedback/etc from the game to
place the car where I want it.  I have NO problems doing this in my passenger
car, and really didn't have any problems at Laguna Seca.  I can't get the
correct sense of speed(or whatever) from my monitor.

I really don't race VROC that much, except for league races or on weekends.
For one, I got tired of driving around by myself in pickup races after people
disco'd or rocketed off into the distance.  Two, my dialup SUCKS... :(
But, but during a league practice session last year, I set a PB in a Cooper
while being chased around Monaco by someone who was MUCH faster that I was(and
we both knew it).  He wasn't trying to pass, but he kept up SERIOUS pressure.
I didn't beat that PB in ANY car for another 8 months - and only beat it by .3
with a Ferrari<g>.  So, I understand how driving close to someone could help.

Eldred
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Then I went online had some asswipe smash me,got VERY angry due to the
circumstances and set off chasing him.

Three laps later I caught him and smashed him hard....and pressed ESC.

Saved the replay for later and left.

Next day,was intrigued to see who the 'accused' was.....

...and about DIED when I saw my 2 clear lap times...!!

1.27.93 and 1.28.04..

and mate....never been near since.

My PB apart from those 2 laps is 1.28.93 now,so i have improved but hell do
I yearn for that <devil> inside to return.

Morgan

JB

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   So if Eldred and I got online together and started banging the ***out
of
each other...we'd be faster???  :)
dave henrie

I used to find this sort of thing happening a lot.  I finally put it
down to hitting the bump ***s.  Raising the car or shortening the
bump stops certainly helped a lot, but it still happens occasionally.

I think, maybe, in ideal circumstance, the car gets close to the bump
stops.  Or in my case, there is enough leeway that most of the time I
can correct my line/speed without contact.  Once something goes just
that little bit more wrong, the required corrections cause extra
suspension travel which may go that extra fraction of an inch and
cause the bump stops to come into play.  So, suddenly, the car goes
completely out of your control.

But I'm just guessing.

BTW, Eldred, you used to complain that you couldn't see the track very
well, so can't judge where the edge is, leading to problems selecting
the right line for one.  What is your ambient light level?  I have
relatively small windows in my computer(/dining, heh) room, and even
so in full daylight I can hardly see the track myself.  I often need
to pull the curtains in daylight, especially in the mornings when the
sun is on that side of the house.  Just a thought, try darkening the
room somewhat.

--

Peter

Eldred
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Who knows?  I'd have to search the setup screen to even FIND the ride height on
my setups.  I don't know what it is at the moment...

Ceiling light almost over my head, and the light has 2 60W bulbs in it.  That
light is usually on when I working on my computer, since there aren't any other
lights nearby.  I don't notice any glare on my screen, even now that you've
drawn my attention to it...<g>

Eldred
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Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
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Oops!

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Peter