rec.autos.simulators

by **Larr** » Sun, 11 Feb 2001 18:22:50

Ok, once upon a time we had NROS. A nice little place for online racers to
hang their hats (and heads, depending on how the night went :) ).

Then, deciding that making money was a bad thing, the hosting company,
decided to go 'free' and renamed themselves Pogo.Net. They also dropped
NROS, and our hat-rack went away.

Then comes Won.Net. Not NROS, but at least it was online racing. We got
used to it.

Along comes N4, probably the most important racing simulator (ok, maybe
second to GPL - Leave me alone!) to come along, ever. We even have rankings
again!

But, wait! Now, Won.Net has become Flipside.com, yet ANOTHER *** site
based mainly on free online games.

Are we in trouble again?

I have to wonder, especially since all of the Won.Net links they provide are
DEAD!

-Larry

by **ymenar** » Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:38:20

> Then, deciding that making money was a bad thing

The Total Entertainment Network was loosing tons of money with the NROS.
This changes totally your point, as it wasn't really a good thing
business-wise. They had to change their philosophy because they were in
deep trouble. Do you see much of those pay-to-play network anymore? With
MPlayer, MSN Zone, Sony Station, TEN just couldn't cope up with the others.
Hardly any publicity, they had to rely totally on their small number of
consumers, which anyway was 75% made of simracers.

Flipside = Won. Won had all those free online games. Just wait until they
put up the real website and all the stuff.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.racesimcentral.net/
-- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how
hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

by **Larr** » Sun, 11 Feb 2001 20:36:23

Points taken.

However, 'change' in this area has never worked out to our advantage, yet :)

-Larry

BTW...

I know TEN lost money on NROS. To this day, I still do not see HOW this was
possible.

I would love to see the balance sheet these people had. I'm no business
major, but I am fairly confident I could have figured out why it wasn't
making money and how to fix it.

-Larry

> > Then, deciding that making money was a bad thing

> The Total Entertainment Network was loosing tons of money with the NROS.
> This changes totally your point, as it wasn't really a good thing
> business-wise. They had to change their philosophy because they were in
> deep trouble. Do you see much of those pay-to-play network anymore? With
> MPlayer, MSN Zone, Sony Station, TEN just couldn't cope up with the
others.
> Hardly any publicity, they had to rely totally on their small number of
> consumers, which anyway was 75% made of simracers.

> > But, wait! Now, Won.Net has become Flipside.com, yet ANOTHER ***
site
> > based mainly on free online games.

> Flipside = Won. Won had all those free online games. Just wait until
they
> put up the real website and all the stuff.

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how
> hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

by **use EXCITE.COM instead** » Mon, 12 Feb 2001 02:22:37

[history lesson snipped]

Flipside.com recently had a BIG fallout with Interplay due to Starfleet
Command 2.
Apparently Flipside.com backed out of a deal with Interplay to provide
play servers
AFTER the game has gone gold. Interplay eventually set up their own
servers, but
the damage was already done. All my manuals on SFC2 still says
Flipside.com and
all that.

--KC

by **Larr** » Mon, 12 Feb 2001 08:49:29

This is the sort of thing that worries me:(

-Larry

> [history lesson snipped]
> > But, wait! Now, Won.Net has become Flipside.com, yet ANOTHER ***
> site
> > based mainly on free online games.

> > Are we in trouble again?

> Flipside.com recently had a BIG fallout with Interplay due to Starfleet
> Command 2.
> Apparently Flipside.com backed out of a deal with Interplay to provide
> play servers
> AFTER the game has gone gold. Interplay eventually set up their own
> servers, but
> the damage was already done. All my manuals on SFC2 still says
> Flipside.com and
> all that.

> --KC

by **Larr** » Mon, 12 Feb 2001 08:58:41

Oh, I was meaning to mention this but forgot to.

This is a VERY good reason for IRF to continue to live, IMHO. Just because
we have an 'official' method of online racing doesn't mean that we don't
need an alternative method.

I personally hope that the author of IRF keeps updating it and fixes it up
to work with the release version of N4.

-Larry

> This is the sort of thing that worries me:(

> -Larry

> > [history lesson snipped]
> > > But, wait! Now, Won.Net has become Flipside.com, yet ANOTHER ***
> > site
> > > based mainly on free online games.

> > > Are we in trouble again?

> > Flipside.com recently had a BIG fallout with Interplay due to Starfleet
> > Command 2.
> > Apparently Flipside.com backed out of a deal with Interplay to provide
> > play servers
> > AFTER the game has gone gold. Interplay eventually set up their own
> > servers, but
> > the damage was already done. All my manuals on SFC2 still says
> > Flipside.com and
> > all that.

> > --KC

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