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by **Image-inati** » Fri, 17 Apr 1998 04:00:00

I have said it before and I will say it again. I don't think ANYONE
in their right minds would have gotten behind the wheels of cars that
behave so badly and ***ly under the various forces that GLP says
they do.

It is one thing to sit in an easy chair and say "OOPS!!!!" and reset
the simulation ------- but in real life it just doesn't work that way.

These guys in Formula1 and Formula2 and Formula3 were striving for the
best handling package, just as they do today. No ONE is going to
convince me that the cars of that era handled worse than an overweight
steel crate that detroit made of the same era, and say THOSE CARS were
the VERY BEST OF TECHNOLOGY as far as internation road racing is
concerned. You would waste your breath -------- I won't listen.

I have read interviews and studied this as an avid fan of racing since
I was a kid -------- I am now pushing fifty years of age --------- and
I know the producers of the Formula 1 cars were engineering the best
handling package EVEN THEN. By today's standards, those cars were
great handling, yet difficult because of the power to weight ratio
------- not because the suspensions were so sloppy the car was allowed
to veer in any direction it chose subjecting the driver to unheard of
danger.

If there have numerous accounts of were a driver would abandon his
machine when for whatever reason, it was handling badly, or he felt it
was unsafe for any reason. PLUS ----------- we have to remember the
lLEMANS accident of 1955 ---------- AND the Monza incident of 1961.

I can assure you if the race organizers felt not only the drivers
--------- BUT the spectators were in danger because of such an ill
handling pig --------- they would bring the car and driver in at once.

Think about it

by **savd..** » Fri, 17 Apr 1998 04:00:00

> I have read interviews and studied this as an avid fan of racing since
> I was a kid -------- I am now pushing fifty years of age --------- and
> I know the producers of the Formula 1 cars were engineering the best
> handling package EVEN THEN. By today's standards, those cars were
> great handling, yet difficult because of the power to weight ratio
> ------- not because the suspensions were so sloppy the car was allowed
> to veer in any direction it chose subjecting the driver to unheard of
> danger.

> If there have numerous accounts of were a driver would abandon his
> machine when for whatever reason, it was handling badly, or he felt it
> was unsafe for any reason. PLUS ----------- we have to remember the
> lLEMANS accident of 1955 ---------- AND the Monza incident of 1961.

> I can assure you if the race organizers felt not only the drivers
> --------- BUT the spectators were in danger because of such an ill
> handling pig --------- they would bring the car and driver in at once.

> Think about it

The GPL demo is exactly that a demo (pre-alpha). The cars in real life
could be setup to handle differently. But regardless of that many
people are having little or no problem in turning consistant fast laps
in the demo. I find that using the steering wheel really helps to
direct the car where you want it to go and it doesn't veer in any
direction except the one that I want. I'd also imagine that the drivers
of that era were far far better drivers than I am and I dare say better
than most drivers of today also.

If you followed F1 for the past 30+ years you know that Jim Clark would
often continue to drive even if he knew there was a serious handling
problem with the car. A good example of this was the German GP at the
Nurburgring in '66 (I think) where he lead easily for 3 laps before the
damaged front suspension finally broke causing him to retire.

Alan

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by **Todd** » Sat, 18 Apr 1998 04:00:00

>I have said it before and I will say it again. I don't think ANYONE
>in their right minds would have gotten behind the wheels of cars that
>behave so badly and ***ly under the various forces that GLP says
>they do.

Racing is not easy. In fact it is very difficult.
Shortly after getting my drivers licence I purchased the fastest cheapest
car I could. For the next 5 years everywhere I drove I was in a race. I
thought I new everything there was to know about driving a car. Then when I
was
in my mid 20,s I had the opportunity to race dirt track speedway for 3
years. My first race was quite an experience, I had very little practice
and on the warm up lap I could hardly keep the car from sliding off the
track. When the flag dropped the competition flawed it and I coasted up to
the first corner and promptly spun out. On the next corner I simply slid
right off the track. At the time I had no idea how It was possible to get
the car around the track and yet everyone else out there was able to do it .
It just took lots of practice and after a while I too could slide a
speedway car around a corner in a race.
GPL seems very natural to me. There are many similarities between GPL and
dirt track speedway, subtle feelings in the corners that I never thought
would be simulated. Things like using the weight transfer with a little
throttle pump to straighten up an understearing car.
Ive seen so many complaints about the car sliding too much. The reason
they are sliding so much is because you are not driving them right. Look at
the fast lap demos those under 107 they are not sliding them around. They
are taking perfect lines.
As for what you said about the car not handling, well thats you opinion. My
GPL handles perfectly but again if your not driving it how its meant to be
driven then you cant expect it to handle for you.
Todd.

by **Byron Forbe** » Sat, 18 Apr 1998 04:00:00

> I have said it before and I will say it again. I don't think ANYONE
> in their right minds would have gotten behind the wheels of cars that
> behave so badly and ***ly under the various forces that GLP says
> they do.

> It is one thing to sit in an easy chair and say "OOPS!!!!" and reset
> the simulation ------- but in real life it just doesn't work that way.

> These guys in Formula1 and Formula2 and Formula3 were striving for the
> best handling package, just as they do today. No ONE is going to
> convince me that the cars of that era handled worse than an overweight
> steel crate that detroit made of the same era, and say THOSE CARS were
> the VERY BEST OF TECHNOLOGY as far as internation road racing is
> concerned. You would waste your breath -------- I won't listen.

> I have read interviews and studied this as an avid fan of racing since
> I was a kid -------- I am now pushing fifty years of age --------- and
> I know the producers of the Formula 1 cars were engineering the best
> handling package EVEN THEN. By today's standards, those cars were
> great handling, yet difficult because of the power to weight ratio
> ------- not because the suspensions were so sloppy the car was allowed
> to veer in any direction it chose subjecting the driver to unheard of
> danger.

> If there have numerous accounts of were a driver would abandon his
> machine when for whatever reason, it was handling badly, or he felt it
> was unsafe for any reason. PLUS ----------- we have to remember the
> lLEMANS accident of 1955 ---------- AND the Monza incident of 1961.

> I can assure you if the race organizers felt not only the drivers
> --------- BUT the spectators were in danger because of such an ill
> handling pig --------- they would bring the car and driver in at once.

> Think about it

Hmmmmmm, let me see now? I'll bet you have that linearity slider all
the way to the left or even in the middle. Move it to the right..... a
little mooooore.........just a little mooooooore......keep
going......that's it! Now, how's that?

by **John** » Sat, 18 Apr 1998 04:00:00

I'm sure when Mr. Chapman first created the Lotus 49 chassis. They had
to tweak and test it first. I'm also sure that when they tested the
"Alpha" version of the Lotus 49 it probably had some quirks and didn't
handle optimally. But after allot of testing (Beta) they were able to
refine the handling of the car and mate it with a great engine. What
emerged was a *** car.
Well the same thing applies to GPL. Even in it's Alpha demo form the
game shows it potential and feels very realistic. I'm sure the physics
engine is being refined and tweaked right now. When GPL is finally
released we will see the same physics engine but it will be polished
even more!

Thanks
John (not the Wallace one <g>)

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