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 Yes, I was thinking that Le Mans would be nice, the problems are that it
is only one track, and the real test of Le Mans is that it lasts for 24
hours, and I don't think anyone will play a single race for 24 hours at
home. So I'm sure I would have made a similar comment to yours.
 I want the new game to be based on sports cars since the NFS engine is so
good at showing body roll and open wheel racers don't really have any
roll. Those old Cobras rolled quite a bit, actually, and I'd love to drive
them at the Nurburgring or any of the other great old European circuits.
 Even doing something based on the Bridgestone SuperCar series would be
pretty cool. Though I think a lot of racers feel more affection for the
50's and 60's sports cars.
 So, I think a lot of the racers here are criticising NFS for lacking the
realism factors of IndyCar or NASCAR. I think that should be added to the
game.
R.

:  Yes, I was thinking that Le Mans would be nice, the problems are that it
: is only one track, and the real test of Le Mans is that it lasts for 24
: hours, and I don't think anyone will play a single race for 24 hours at
: home. So I'm sure I would have made a similar comment to yours.

        ONE lap of Le Mans is also a long challenge!  Mulsanne would be a
great test for any car's top speed.  If you did want to be totally
realistic, though, I guess you could get two friends to hot-seat and take
over the joystick while you got some sleep.  :-)  Just hope they don't
simulate engine blowouts.
        At the time I actually believed that he'd give me a free gift or
something (flawed logic).  Perhaps he'd pull a free game out of his
jacket, give me a job as playtester, or say "Here's twenty dollars American
and a candy".  But alas...

:  I want the new game to be based on sports cars since the NFS engine is so
: good at showing body roll and open wheel racers don't really have any
: roll. Those old Cobras rolled quite a bit, actually, and I'd love to drive

        As far as I know the game won't be based on any of the old
classics, to my disappointment as well as yours.  I'd be happy just to be
able to race the old Mercedes C-racers from the '89-'91 in what is no
doubt one of the most expensive series in race history!

: them at the Nurburgring or any of the other great old European circuits.

        NFS simulates good jumps.  The old Nurburgring would be perfect.  
How about the Avus in an Auto Union while we're at it?

:  So, I think a lot of the racers here are criticising NFS for lacking the
: realism factors of IndyCar or NASCAR. I think that should be added to the
: game.
        That, I think, is very achievable.  

Martin
Nigel Mansell RIP!

          Well, there is always the possibility of having two modes.
An arcade mode and a pro mode.  Ideally, I think it would be great to
allow for tweaking the cars, engine damage, weather conditions, etc..
All of these could be selectable from a "realism panel" like most
flight sims offer.  Motorcycles would be great as well...

--Evan

 One must remember that NFS would still exist in the event of an
additional more realistic sports car simulation. NFS is probably my
favorite game of the year. But I think a 60's sports car simulation on the
great tracks of Europe would be a fine game of a slightly different genre.
In other words I would buy it without hesitation.  A motorcycle game would
be fun too, especially if it followed the Superbike or, hopefully, the
500cc GP series.
 Heck, I like racing simulators, but NFS is a fine driving game and it
certainly has a place in my game library.
R.