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unfortunately though, I have had no luck in getting this thing to work.
Just to get this info out of the way, I'm running Windows 95, so the
LWFF is hooked up to the serial port.  My system is a Celeron 300a o/ced
to 450, ATI All-in-Wonder with 2 Voodoo2's, 256M RAM.

I had a previous version of the Logitech profiler installed, so I at
first tried to install over it.  This resulted in GPF's.  So, to make a
very long story moderately short, I decided to uninstall the original
Logitech Profiler (and then run regclean.exe to make sure all remnants
were gone), and install the downloaded Version 3.3 from scratch.

Here's an exact rundown of what I've tried, and what it resulted in:

After doing the above, per the install instructions, I installed the
profiler software (Version 3.3) before hooking up the hardware.  I
removed all running programs (thru CNTRL-ALT-DEL) except Explorer and
Systray, then ran the installed the profiler software.  It  installed
smoothly, then prompted me to reboot, which I did.

Upon rebooting, it prompted me to do the hardware hookup and then to
"click Next to verify that the controller is operating properly".  To
play it safe, I again removed any programs running in the background
except Explorer, Systray, Lwemon (a Logitech file that the wheel
apparently needs), and Wingman Setup (which I was about to continue
running).  So, my system was as "clean" as it could get.

When I clicked on Next, the progress bar started to move slowly to the
right, then jumped almost all the way to the right, and my system locked
up solid.  I had to do a hard reboot.  When I rebooted, I got the
following GPF:

"Fatal Exception 0E has occured at 0028:D28E8EEE in VXD LUSBVXD"

Luckily, I run a utility called GoBack, and I was able to revert my hard
drive back to how it was before installing the Version 3.3 profiler.

I tried following the exact same procedure for the Version 3.25 profiler
which cam on the CD with the wheel, but this resulted in the exact same
thing.  (The numbers in the Fatal Exception message may have been
different.).

So now I'm stuck using my original Profiler (Version 3.1), which at
least allows me to boot, and recognizes the LWFF.  However, I get no FF
effects whatsover.  Clicking on the various test buttons in the profiler
results in no effects being applied to the wheel, even though the
settings are set to 150% (the max).  I tried both GPL 1.2 (with the
proper revisions to core.ini), and Viper Racing, and neither produced
any FF effects either.

Is it possible that I have a bad wheel?  (First a used one, then a bad
one!) The wheel does move to the left about 30 degrees upon system
bootup, so the motor does work.  Both the power light and the other
light are on.

I apologize for this extremely long post, but I would appreciate any
help or suggestions in getting this wheel to work properly, using any
version of the Logitech profiler software.

Thanks.

under game controllers/properties/settings, you have got autocalibrate
ticked? and allow ff ticked also? Im sure you have thought of these easy
things though. My wheel when calibrating during bootup moves all the way
left and right to the stops, not just 30 deg one way.

Good luck.

MikeT.

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As for the rest of your stuff, I would reccomend getting W98 and using
the USB port. Performance will be better anyway.

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No the pedals are not better. Plus the MS wheel uses many more CPU
cycles per FF effect.

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The MSFF wheel is very grindy and notchy, has limited FF effects, and
didn't have good return-to-center resistance if you turned down the
effects.  There'd just be this large dead area without any resistance.
It also isn't as precise as the LWFF wheel.  It has two more buttons
(8 vs. 6), but the shifter buttons aren't as good as the LWFF's
shifter paddles.

Ergonomically, the MSFF has better grooves that fit your hands well,
whereas the LWFF is kind of uncomfortable at first.  I've taken to
curling my fingers under the spokes--kind of awkward--for maximum
comfort.  The LWFF also needs some tweaking to get it to work well in
each game, but when you've got it set up to your tastes it works much
better than the MSFF.

Wingman Profiler (part of the drivers package) and DX Tweaker are both
easily accessible at www.wingmanteam.com and are necessary to ensure
good performance from the LWFF.

Devin

On Sun, 30 Jan 2000 08:32:23 -0600, "Greg Cisko"

I'm replacing a dead Thrusty T2 with a LWFF and am under the impression that
the NEW models in the RED boxes have improved pedals (I understand probably
not optimal, but improved...)

1-Are guys talking new or old logitech pedals here in this thread?

2-Are the CH pedals that everyone says to use with this wheel really that
much better? (I mean they are still games, right? if so...)

3-Since the wheel and CH pedals are USB, can we just slap 'em in to the
separate USB ports and GO?!

Sorry, but my old T2 is OLD and I've been out of the FF loop, well since it
was born, and this thread has me curious...besides I found the website to
order the replacement parts for my T2 and I can always go back to what
works...

Thnks,
KJ

The CH pedals have a MUCH larger range of motion, reach really makes it easier
to control the car in GPL for the reasons I listed above.  The CH pedals don't
have very stiff springs either, but lots of people put squash balls or nerf
balls under the brake pedal for a more realistic feel.

I just have the non-USB version so I don't know if having two USB devices would
make a difference.  Most sims don't see more than one controller, however.  The
only one that I have that lets you use all your devices is GPL.  Even NASCAR
Legends doesn't seem to do this, and it was made by the same company (Papyrus).

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I find it curious, however, that 2 games from the same company (Papy) would
not work the same way with multiple controllers. They must be taking their
lead from MS on that deal  ; )

Thanks again for the info, I think the stock LWFF will suffice for now, at
least until Chevy calls again...

edb