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So this is progress ?

Usenette

So this is progress ?

by Usenette » Sat, 20 Sep 2003 06:32:38

Just installed CMR3 (non-demo) - and I'm well disappointed.
No arcade play.
No custom cam view.
Washed out colours - giving a sense of remoteness.
***physics - cars just pivot at the centre.
Just isn't immersive or even engaging.
Glad I only paid 19 quid for this pile of shite.
Version 2 is a much better deal - so I'm continuing to play with that.

CMR 3.0 going cheap ..... any takers ?

Aide

So this is progress ?

by Aide » Sat, 20 Sep 2003 06:54:26

so why didnt you read all the reviews and comments here and at the
Codemasters forums...?

spilt milk lad...

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Usenette

So this is progress ?

by Usenette » Sat, 20 Sep 2003 07:16:59


Reviews are frequently subjective, commercially-biased and misleading.
Given the minimal outlay, I thought it was worth cutting through all that
and seeing for myself.
Last time I do that, for sure.
Given also, the quality of CMR2 (broadly) - it's highly surprising that they
came out with this POS.

Dalibor Bauernfrajn

So this is progress ?

by Dalibor Bauernfrajn » Sun, 21 Sep 2003 00:04:32


Well, you could have at least tried it before you bought it.

I find it amusing to see this many original games being bought.
I don't remember when was the last time I saw an original of
any game or program here in Croatia.

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Biz

So this is progress ?

by Biz » Mon, 22 Sep 2003 06:16:05


Just goes to show the state of mind in Croatia.  Most of the rest of the
world calls that pirated software.  Would you still pirate the titles if
they were made locally and your fellow citizens relied on the sales of their
software for revenues?

Dalibor Bauernfrajn

So this is progress ?

by Dalibor Bauernfrajn » Tue, 23 Sep 2003 00:30:12


news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Biz says...



> > Well, you could have at least tried it before you bought it.

> > I find it amusing to see this many original games being bought.
> > I don't remember when was the last time I saw an original of
> > any game or program here in Croatia.

> Just goes to show the state of mind in Croatia.  Most of the rest of the
> world calls that pirated software.  Would you still pirate the titles if
> they were made locally and your fellow citizens relied on the sales of their
> software for revenues?

Of course I'm for buying original cds, but I would never buy a game
before trying it out first. On the other hand, imagine giving 1/3 or 1/2
of what you earn a month for a game!

Yes, there are some local products, and I've never seen an original of
them either.

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Biz

So this is progress ?

by Biz » Tue, 23 Sep 2003 04:56:35

How do you afford to buy a PC then?  Remember these are games and SHOULD be
considered luxury items.  If you can't afford them, you don't buy them.  You
don't steal them.


> news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Biz says...



> > > Well, you could have at least tried it before you bought it.

> > > I find it amusing to see this many original games being bought.
> > > I don't remember when was the last time I saw an original of
> > > any game or program here in Croatia.

> > Just goes to show the state of mind in Croatia.  Most of the rest of the
> > world calls that pirated software.  Would you still pirate the titles if
> > they were made locally and your fellow citizens relied on the sales of
their
> > software for revenues?

> Of course I'm for buying original cds, but I would never buy a game
> before trying it out first. On the other hand, imagine giving 1/3 or 1/2
> of what you earn a month for a game!

> Yes, there are some local products, and I've never seen an original of
> them either.

> --
> Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
> ICQ: 138579247

Eldre

So this is progress ?

by Eldre » Tue, 23 Sep 2003 07:15:58



>Of course I'm for buying original cds, but I would never buy a game
>before trying it out first. On the other hand, imagine giving 1/3 or 1/2
>of what you earn a month for a game!

If the games cost that much(or Croatians earn that little), then I can
understand that attitude.  But in that case, how do people afford computers in
the FIRST place?

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Dalibor Bauernfrajn

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by Dalibor Bauernfrajn » Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:26:39


news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Biz says...

Extremely hard.
I worked on a P133 'till 4 months ago. Didn't upgrade for almost 7
years.

Agreed, that _is_ the right point of view, but sounds laughable for
most of ppl in Croatia, BiH, Serbia, Slovenia etc.

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Dalibor Bauernfrajn

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by Dalibor Bauernfrajn » Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:26:42


says...

12-24 monthly payments, usually.

I was lucky to get a job (first one, I'm 21) and work for around
6 months before having to quit (another story). If it weren't
for that, I'd be still using a 7 year old Pentium 133.

I paid $500 for a xp1700/512 ddr/40gb/gf4mx based pc.

I was a salesperson in a hi-fi audio/video store (I'm an audiophile)
and was paid $300/month for 8-10h/day, and was lucky to get it.
My fathers last job was paid around $270/month. The lowest pay check
here (by law) is $230, and most people work for $250-300.

With around $500/month your life here would be rather easy. Everything
over $800/month and you're a rich man.

Things in Serbia are even worse ($70-80/month being the usuall), but food
prices are down too. But software costs the same in US, here, and in
Serbia (ex YU).

No wonder there are no legal copies around when sometimes we can't even
afford some blank cdrs.

Oh, sorry, I'm talking too much :)
Sorry if there are any typos/spelling issues :)

Greetings from Croatia, Osijek (http://www.hr).

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Eldre

So this is progress ?

by Eldre » Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:38:28



>With around $500/month your life here would be rather easy. Everything
>over $800/month and you're a rich man.

>Things in Serbia are even worse ($70-80/month being the usuall), but food
>prices are down too. But software costs the same in US, here, and in
>Serbia (ex YU).

>No wonder there are no legal copies around when sometimes we can't even
>afford some blank cdrs.

Yow... :-(

Don't worry about it.  I *guarantee* your English is MUCH better than my
Croatian(is that the correct term?)...<g>

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Dalibor Bauernfrajn

So this is progress ?

by Dalibor Bauernfrajn » Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:59:13


says...



> >With around $500/month your life here would be rather easy. Everything
> >over $800/month and you're a rich man.

> >Things in Serbia are even worse ($70-80/month being the usuall), but food
> >prices are down too. But software costs the same in US, here, and in
> >Serbia (ex YU).

> >No wonder there are no legal copies around when sometimes we can't even
> >afford some blank cdrs.

> Yow... :-(

Huh, well said :)

Yep, it is :)

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Usenette

So this is progress ?

by Usenette » Thu, 25 Sep 2003 07:36:19

In fairness to CodeMasters, patch 1.1 seemed to improve things a little -
but

Negatives
Forcefeedback still needs a lot of work - even at minimal setting, it's
still too ponderous.
Scenery is too "misty" - not as defined as CMR2, which makes seeing where
you're going difficult.
Swedish roads are VERY narrow - as they are elsewhere : the ideal
compensation for this would have been the inclusion of arcade racing - much
more fun.
Physics are poor : cars pivot in the middle, so steering a straight line is
nigh-on impossible - and handling just isn't credible.
Keyboard navigation is infuriatingly slow (is this meant to add style,
gravitas ? Because it's INCREDIBLY annoying).

Positives
The scenery and skies are pretty.

On balance - this to my mind, is no upgrade on CMR2 - which remains the more
convincing, a better driving experience and ultimately, more fun.
CMR 3.0 is really CMR 1.9
I gotta say I'm very disappointed and feel a bit ripped.
It's difficult to imagine that any patch can address these fundamental
issues, so let's hope that CMR4 turns out to be what CMR3 really ought to
have been.


Usenette

So this is progress ?

by Usenette » Fri, 26 Sep 2003 22:19:59


Ehem ..... the "problem" was that I needed to max out the graphics.
Had them set very conservatively - but now they're sorted, vision is superb
and even the narrowest roads are navigable.
16-bit colour paints purple mist in Greek stages and psychedelic cloud
colours in UK storm conditions.
32-bit colour unlocks the full glory of a genuine piece of art.

> Swedish roads are VERY narrow - as they are elsewhere : the ideal
> compensation for this would have been the inclusion of arcade racing -
much
> more fun.
> Physics are poor : cars pivot in the middle, so steering a straight line
is
> nigh-on impossible - and handling just isn't credible.
> Keyboard navigation is infuriatingly slow (is this meant to add style,
> gravitas ? Because it's INCREDIBLY annoying).

> Positives
> The scenery and skies are pretty.

> On balance - this to my mind, is no upgrade on CMR2 - which remains the
more
> convincing, a better driving experience and ultimately, more fun.
> CMR 3.0 is really CMR 1.9
> I gotta say I'm very disappointed and feel a bit ripped.
> It's difficult to imagine that any patch can address these fundamental
> issues, so let's hope that CMR4 turns out to be what CMR3 really ought to
> have been.



> > so why didnt you read all the reviews and comments here and at the
> > Codemasters forums...?

> > spilt milk lad...

> > AD

Joe6

So this is progress ?

by Joe6 » Wed, 01 Oct 2003 05:56:23



In my opinion there's little wrong with downloading a game that
doesn't have a demo, for evaluation purposes only. Keep it for say, a
day,  while you make your purchasing decision.

This is solely because of the Draconian return policies (or lack
thereof) at game stores. There's not a store in my city of 2 million
people that accepts returns on game software. So if the product is
***... you are SOL.


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