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by **Dave Henri** » Fri, 05 Apr 2002 14:57:20

Did anyone notice the end of the F1 broadcast? Speedchannel spent the
last few minutes showing hightlights of the race and some different camera
angles not shown in the regular racecast.
They had a rollbar camera of Rubens Barricello that had excellant sound.
You could hear the engine, the tires, and even the wind...sounded like
GPL(no really it did) Then they had some incar shots of M Schumacher....and
it was like the CART broadcast last month...the Dang Ferrari engine sounded
like a Kazoo! They don't really sound that buzzy/tinny/small do they?
Ruben's car sounded powerful, due to proper microphone placement I would
guess, but MS's was a joke...bzzzzzzzz. bzzzzz bzzzzz. What causes some
cars to sound cool, and others to sound blechy?
F1 2001 has great incar sound, and it's mod's do as well, but the first
Cart mod for the 2000 sim musta had the same odd sound that the Toyota's in
Mexico had...(and Michael in Brazil) tinny tiney buzzing instead of some
sort of roar.
dave henrie

by **Christopher G Rossi** » Fri, 05 Apr 2002 18:52:28

The best sound is from outside the car (with the commentators' mouths
covered with duck tape)
arcman

> Did anyone notice the end of the F1 broadcast? Speedchannel spent the
> last few minutes showing hightlights of the race and some different camera
> angles not shown in the regular racecast.
> They had a rollbar camera of Rubens Barricello that had excellant sound.
> You could hear the engine, the tires, and even the wind...sounded like
> GPL(no really it did) Then they had some incar shots of M Schumacher....and
> it was like the CART broadcast last month...the Dang Ferrari engine sounded
> like a Kazoo! They don't really sound that buzzy/tinny/small do they?
> Ruben's car sounded powerful, due to proper microphone placement I would
> guess, but MS's was a joke...bzzzzzzzz. bzzzzz bzzzzz. What causes some
> cars to sound cool, and others to sound blechy?
> F1 2001 has great incar sound, and it's mod's do as well, but the first
> Cart mod for the 2000 sim musta had the same odd sound that the Toyota's in
> Mexico had...(and Michael in Brazil) tinny tiney buzzing instead of some
> sort of roar.
> dave henrie

by **Txl** » Fri, 05 Apr 2002 20:09:32

Ferrari being as paranoiac as they are probably set the microphone in a
different position on MS's car as opposed to RB's, or they put some extra
"windproof" foam on it or whatever...

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by **J. Todd Wass** » Fri, 05 Apr 2002 20:12:10

Maybe it's the microphone. Some don't get the low frequencies so well, do
they? The tinny little sounds annoy me too. These engine's must sound more
powerful than that!

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by **Olav K. Malm** » Fri, 05 Apr 2002 22:25:26

> Did anyone notice the end of the F1 broadcast? Speedchannel spent the
> last few minutes showing hightlights of the race and some different camera
> angles not shown in the regular racecast.
> They had a rollbar camera of Rubens Barricello that had excellant sound.
> You could hear the engine, the tires, and even the wind...sounded like
> GPL(no really it did) Then they had some incar shots of M Schumacher....and
> it was like the CART broadcast last month...the Dang Ferrari engine sounded
> like a Kazoo! They don't really sound that buzzy/tinny/small do they?
> Ruben's car sounded powerful, due to proper microphone placement I would
> guess, but MS's was a joke...bzzzzzzzz. bzzzzz bzzzzz. What causes some
> cars to sound cool, and others to sound blechy?

You want cool engine sound:

1. Buy a big dolby digital home theatre
2. Buy Super Speedway DVD
3. Find the scene from Homestead where the camere is mounted between
turn 1 and 2
4. Play it loud
5. Repeat

It sounds like real life, scary stuff

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by **Tony** » Fri, 05 Apr 2002 23:04:49

"Olav K. Malmin" <> wrote ...

But beware - that DVD cost me a pair of B&W speakers. Don't drive too much
bass 'cos there's lots of it.
Have to agree with Olav on this as a "must have" if you are reading
rec.autos.? and you have a decent dvd / tv / amplifier combination.
Tony

by **Steve Blankenshi** » Fri, 05 Apr 2002 23:36:07

Noticed that, as did Steve Matchett who commented on the engine note during the show. Maybe it's the new periscope-style exhausts
on the F2002, or where they are relative to the microphone.

SB

> Did anyone notice the end of the F1 broadcast? Speedchannel spent the
> last few minutes showing hightlights of the race and some different camera
> angles not shown in the regular racecast.
> They had a rollbar camera of Rubens Barricello that had excellant sound.
> You could hear the engine, the tires, and even the wind...sounded like
> GPL(no really it did) Then they had some incar shots of M Schumacher....and
> it was like the CART broadcast last month...the Dang Ferrari engine sounded
> like a Kazoo! They don't really sound that buzzy/tinny/small do they?
> Ruben's car sounded powerful, due to proper microphone placement I would
> guess, but MS's was a joke...bzzzzzzzz. bzzzzz bzzzzz. What causes some
> cars to sound cool, and others to sound blechy?
> F1 2001 has great incar sound, and it's mod's do as well, but the first
> Cart mod for the 2000 sim musta had the same odd sound that the Toyota's in
> Mexico had...(and Michael in Brazil) tinny tiney buzzing instead of some
> sort of roar.
> dave henrie

by **Andre Warrin** » Fri, 05 Apr 2002 23:47:13

>You want cool engine sound:

>1. Buy a big dolby digital home theatre
>2. Buy Super Speedway DVD
>3. Find the scene from Homestead where the camere is mounted between
>turn 1 and 2
>4. Play it loud
>5. Repeat

>It sounds like real life, scary stuff

I AGREE :))
Fantastic DVD. Here in Holland you can buy it really cheap at
Intertoys.

Andre

by **Gunnar Horrigm** » Sat, 06 Apr 2002 01:53:45

> Did anyone notice the end of the F1 broadcast? Speedchannel spent the
> last few minutes showing hightlights of the race and some different camera
> angles not shown in the regular racecast.
> They had a rollbar camera of Rubens Barricello that had excellant sound.
> You could hear the engine, the tires, and even the wind...sounded like
> GPL(no really it did) Then they had some incar shots of M Schumacher....and
> it was like the CART broadcast last month...the Dang Ferrari engine sounded
> like a Kazoo! They don't really sound that buzzy/tinny/small do they?
> Ruben's car sounded powerful, due to proper microphone placement I would
> guess, but MS's was a joke...bzzzzzzzz. bzzzzz bzzzzz. What causes some
> cars to sound cool, and others to sound blechy?

microphone placement and quality, I guess. I saw an older F1-car
(maybe from around 1990 or so) at Anderstorp i Sweden once. they
really sound nothing like what you hear on TV. not even close.

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by **Dave Henri** » Sat, 06 Apr 2002 12:59:37

during the show. Maybe it's the new periscope-style exhausts
Somebody further up the thread mentioned Ferrari being paranoid. I
missed it at first but then...ding! The lightbulb came on. Bear with me
here...this may be complex.

First we go back to the Mexico Cart Race. The Honda's sounded pretty good
when viewing the rollbar camera. The Toyota's sounded very bad, almost
childish. Certainly the Toyota doesn't run that much worse than the
Honda...it's more like they don't WANT people to know exactly how a Toyota
engine sounds.
Then we see the same thing on Schumacher's Ferrari, but NOT Barricello's.
Hmmmm....could it be that Toyota and Ferrari are deliberately masking their
engine notes? I remember not to long ago when Mercedes/Ilmor really made
the big RPM jump up to the 18,000 plateau. Nobody at Mercedes would admit
they were revving the engines that high...but somebody took some sound
samples and analyzed the engine note....compared it to previous samples when
they had a 14,000 limit and was able to extrapolate the sound and arrive at
a reasonable guess of 18,500 for the RPM.
Could Ferrari be doing the same thing...only with some parts only
Schumi(suprise!) gets? Poor Rubens is running a bone stock 2002 motor, (So
no sound muffling) but who knows what the Shoemeister has installed??
Perhaps Ferrari doesn't want his engine note broadcast for sound engineers
to decode.
To get back somewhat on topic...Sim builders....listen to Barrichello NOT
Schumacher....we don't want $50 sims sounding like 5cent Kazooos...
dave henrie

by **Olav K. Malm** » Sat, 06 Apr 2002 14:50:24

Ouch. Sorry to hear that. What B&W speakers was it ? My old JBL LX55
seems to handle it fine though, but it's even cooler with my homebuilt
12" celestion subwoofers I haven't even dared to hook up in my new
apartment :)

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by **Olav K. Malm** » Sat, 06 Apr 2002 14:51:36

> > Did anyone notice the end of the F1 broadcast? Speedchannel spent the
> > last few minutes showing hightlights of the race and some different camera
> > angles not shown in the regular racecast.
> > They had a rollbar camera of Rubens Barricello that had excellant sound.
> > You could hear the engine, the tires, and even the wind...sounded like
> > GPL(no really it did) Then they had some incar shots of M Schumacher....and
> > it was like the CART broadcast last month...the Dang Ferrari engine sounded
> > like a Kazoo! They don't really sound that buzzy/tinny/small do they?
> > Ruben's car sounded powerful, due to proper microphone placement I would
> > guess, but MS's was a joke...bzzzzzzzz. bzzzzz bzzzzz. What causes some
> > cars to sound cool, and others to sound blechy?

> microphone placement and quality, I guess. I saw an older F1-car
> (maybe from around 1990 or so) at Anderstorp i Sweden once. they
> really sound nothing like what you hear on TV. not even close.

Some of the prototypes at Le Mans running the old Judd F1 engine. That
was loud and screaming. The whimpy Audi/Bentley turbo engine was a
joke afterwards :)

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by **Tony** » Sat, 06 Apr 2002 23:13:09

"Olav K. Malmin" wrote ...

I've since repaired and upgraded. Just one Kef 12" subwoofer plus 100W rms x
5.1 Yamaha surround. It is an experience.
Here in Australia, I can use it when i want to - more or less. Used to live
in Holland (Amsterdam). Neighbour above would get annoyed if you farted.
Could not drive anything beyond the walkman and the microwave.
I like it here better (and think I fart less as well).
Tony

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