rec.autos.simulators

> Is the F1RS full version a completely different game than the demo? It
> must be, because I see people raving about the driving model, but the
> car in the demo drives like a ***y freight train (using a
> Thrutmaster T2 wheel). Easily the worst, most uncontrollable computer
> sim I've ever tried. (Of course it doesn't help that they won't let
> you use analog gas/brakes - who was the moron who thought up that
> one?) The steering is just awful. Nice eye candy, but like every other
> Ubisoft gme I've tried (POD, Redline Racer) the steering/driving sucks
> horribly.

> A couple questions:

> Is the full version completely different in driving/steering model?
> (I'm assuming it must be)

> Does the full (US) version come with fully optimized car setups for
> each track? I HATE spending time in the garage tweaking setups
> (espcially since everyone seems to agree the F1RS user interface
> sucks). I just want to load the best setups and drive.

> Joe

> Joe,

> The Demo of F1RS does not do the game any justice.  In fact Ubisoft
> should be thankful that the demo didn't disuade too many people from
> buying the full game.

> The steering in the full game can be change to suit your preferences by
> setting the sensitivity.  I have it set at about 70%, but some people
> use 80% or higher.
> The gas/brake are also analogue control in the full game, and you can
> also change the sensitivity of these as well.

> As for the setups you can download some from http://www.racesimcentral.net/.
> Each tracks setup only takes a couple of seconds to download and then
> unzip, so in a couple of minutes you can have all the tracks downloaded.
> I have the UK version so I don't know if the US has different setups,
> but the ones on the pages above have had a lot of work put in to them,
> and can be tweaked for your own driving style.

> I love the full game.  At first I found it frustrating, but I've
> actually found that driving on the most realistic settings (no ABS or
> traction control etc) makes you drive the car much smoother (and I seem
> to stay on the track much more).

> Regards

> Andrew

> > Is the F1RS full version a completely different game than the demo? It
> > must be, because I see people raving about the driving model, but the
> > car in the demo drives like a ***y freight train (using a
> > Thrutmaster T2 wheel). Easily the worst, most uncontrollable computer
> > sim I've ever tried. (Of course it doesn't help that they won't let
> > you use analog gas/brakes - who was the moron who thought up that
> > one?) The steering is just awful. Nice eye candy, but like every other
> > Ubisoft gme I've tried (POD, Redline Racer) the steering/driving sucks
> > horribly.

> > A couple questions:

> > Is the full version completely different in driving/steering model?
> > (I'm assuming it must be)

> > Does the full (US) version come with fully optimized car setups for
> > each track? I HATE spending time in the garage tweaking setups
> > (espcially since everyone seems to agree the F1RS user interface
> > sucks). I just want to load the best setups and drive.

> > Joe

> --
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>              /  \     ,    ,
>    _._     _ |oo| _  / \__/ \
>   _||||   ((/ () \))   /  \       Andrew Carroll
>   |||||/|  ( ==== )    |oo|       Kodak Ltd,
>    \____/  _`\  /'_    /  \       Hemel Hempstead
>    /   /.-' /\<>/\ `\.( () )_._   UK
>    |    `  /  \/  \  /`'--'////)

>            |  |.  | \___/\___/
>            |  |.  |   |    |

>  "All views expressed here are entirely my own
>  and should not be taken to represent the views
>  of Kodak Ltd or Eastman Kodak Company"

> Indeed, the demo doesn't give you a clear view:

> The game SUCKS ever harder :-)

> Bart

> > Joe,

> > The Demo of F1RS does not do the game any justice.  In fact Ubisoft
> > should be thankful that the demo didn't disuade too many people from
> > buying the full game.

> > The steering in the full game can be change to suit your preferences by
> > setting the sensitivity.  I have it set at about 70%, but some people
> > use 80% or higher.
> > The gas/brake are also analogue control in the full game, and you can
> > also change the sensitivity of these as well.

> > As for the setups you can download some from http://www.racesimcentral.net/.
> > Each tracks setup only takes a couple of seconds to download and then
> > unzip, so in a couple of minutes you can have all the tracks downloaded.
> > I have the UK version so I don't know if the US has different setups,
> > but the ones on the pages above have had a lot of work put in to them,
> > and can be tweaked for your own driving style.

> > I love the full game.  At first I found it frustrating, but I've
> > actually found that driving on the most realistic settings (no ABS or
> > traction control etc) makes you drive the car much smoother (and I seem
> > to stay on the track much more).

> > Regards

> > Andrew

> > > Is the F1RS full version a completely different game than the demo? It
> > > must be, because I see people raving about the driving model, but the
> > > car in the demo drives like a ***y freight train (using a
> > > Thrutmaster T2 wheel). Easily the worst, most uncontrollable computer
> > > sim I've ever tried. (Of course it doesn't help that they won't let
> > > you use analog gas/brakes - who was the moron who thought up that
> > > one?) The steering is just awful. Nice eye candy, but like every other
> > > Ubisoft gme I've tried (POD, Redline Racer) the steering/driving sucks
> > > horribly.

> > > A couple questions:

> > > Is the full version completely different in driving/steering model?
> > > (I'm assuming it must be)

> > > Does the full (US) version come with fully optimized car setups for
> > > each track? I HATE spending time in the garage tweaking setups
> > > (espcially since everyone seems to agree the F1RS user interface
> > > sucks). I just want to load the best setups and drive.

> > > Joe

> > --
> >               __
> >              /  \     ,    ,
> >    _._     _ |oo| _  / \__/ \
> >   _||||   ((/ () \))   /  \       Andrew Carroll
> >   |||||/|  ( ==== )    |oo|       Kodak Ltd,
> >    \____/  _`\  /'_    /  \       Hemel Hempstead
> >    /   /.-' /\<>/\ `\.( () )_._   UK
> >    |    `  /  \/  \  /`'--'////)

> >            |  |.  | \___/\___/
> >            |  |.  |   |    |

> >  "All views expressed here are entirely my own
> >  and should not be taken to represent the views
> >  of Kodak Ltd or Eastman Kodak Company"

> The game SUCKS ever harder :-)

> Bart

> > Indeed, the demo doesn't give you a clear view:

> > The game SUCKS ever harder :-)

> > Bart

> I look at it this way.  A person who posts here and has such command of the
> English language that he has to use the work "suck"-- that person no doubt
> has no idea what he's talking about.

> Some folks judge a simulation based soley on how easy it is.  F1RS is a
> great simulator and a whole lot of fun.  Further, it is difficult and takes
> time to learn.

> The fact that a simulator-- or any game, for that matter, is hard to master
> will cause the weak to brand it as bad.

> So when I see the work "suck" in a header, my first inclination is to say
> that this poster doesn't know ***.

> Alanb

> Hi!

> Since I used the word "Suck", I'll try to write down some decent
> reasons:(I put the good thing below)

> The bad things:
> Driving Model:
> 1.Cars are partly front-wheel driven. Try to race some cars in real life
> and you'll notice that cars with engine in the back feel like driving on
> ice. The car will slide much quicker.
> 2.Steering 'lock' is not reduced by speed. It's totaly the same
> stereeing behavout when at 10mph or at 100mph. Not in real life.
> 3.Driving in the wet is even more unrealistic. I admit that it is not
> easy, but it's not realistic.

> Graphics:
> 1.Tracks are foolishly wrong:
> a.Monaco; Tunnel and start/fin too small. It's twice as wide as ***.
>           tunnel is too dark. Cerbs are too low wich makes it easy
> to           cutoff corner.
> b.Japan;  Too flat, which ruins the build of circuit. elevation
> is           needed
> c.San Marino; Historic track, but only the start/fin is ok.
>               wrong elevations, and unknown half-high walls.
>               Looks like park of Monza, but SM is in a farmers
> land.               (not much trees)
> d.Monza; Parabolica is 30% too small, it's alomst a pit entance.
> etc,etc,etc
> 2.***pits are too unclear. Can't read displays at bottom.
> 3. Pitradio is terrible. It shouts in your ears. Ruins my concentration.
>    Should me controlable from cokcpit (like in real-life)

> Others:
> 1. Returning to garage form track takes toooooo long(certainly for minor
> adjustments.
> 2. Menus are too slow because of "music"
> 3. Slowdown is 1st corner, with anything less than a p2 with 64 mb
>    Not everyone has got a p2 !!!
> 4. Too many patches, too much to download for a full priced game.
> 5. Some patches don't work witout the previous.
> 6. twice as much diskspace needed as everyother game 100mb -> 200mb
> 7. Weak AI for easier levels(easy,etc)
> 8. It costs a $15 more than other games.

> GOOD THING:
> 1. Great feel of being there
> 2. Beatiful smoke,etc.
> 3. Great bumps in Buenos Aires,etc.

> But I didn't want to offend any of you!!!

> With kind regards,

> Bart

> > > Indeed, the demo doesn't give you a clear view:

> > > The game SUCKS ever harder :-)

> > > Bart

> > I look at it this way.  A person who posts here and has such command of the
> > English language that he has to use the work "suck"-- that person no doubt
> > has no idea what he's talking about.

> > Some folks judge a simulation based soley on how easy it is.  F1RS is a
> > great simulator and a whole lot of fun.  Further, it is difficult and takes
> > time to learn.

> > The fact that a simulator-- or any game, for that matter, is hard to master
> > will cause the weak to brand it as bad.

> > So when I see the work "suck" in a header, my first inclination is to say
> > that this poster doesn't know ***.

> > Alanb