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Help on GP2

richard.h..

Help on GP2

by richard.h.. » Thu, 15 Aug 1996 04:00:00

Please help me!
  After hours of practicing at Interlagos my best time is 1:17:683
I don`t feel as if I can improve much more but I am still 1 second
from pole position time on only semi-pro level.I generally qualify
in fifth or sixth place which I can put up with,but when it comes
to the race itself my lap times fall to about 1min20 to 1min 21,
which is about 3seconds a lap below that of the leaders.This leads
to race after race where I am constantly defending my position from
the long queue of traffic behind me,while the leaders gradually pull
away lap by lap.This becomes very frustrating as I know I can go faster.

 1.) Is the difference in my lap times between sessions solely to do
     with the greater fuel load caried in the race,or is there something
     to be gained by using separate qualifying/race set-ups.If so,what,
     as I feel I might be missing something.

 2.) Does the team that you drive for affect the performance of the car
     when using 1994 levels.I currently drive for Sauber.(I know this
     sounds like a feeble excuse for poor performance,but I am desperate)

 3.) I currently have steering help on. Does this hamper performance in
     any way?(I hope not as I find it very difficult without it)

Any comments or helpful suggestions will be much appreciated as I cannot
bear to see the leading cars disappear into the distance time and time again


MalSo

Help on GP2

by MalSo » Fri, 16 Aug 1996 04:00:00

: to race after race where I am constantly defending my position from
: the long queue of traffic behind me,while the leaders gradually pull
: away lap by lap.This becomes very frustrating as I know I can go faster.
:
: Any comments or helpful suggestions will be much appreciated as I cannot
: bear to see the leading cars disappear into the distance time and time again
:

i know you dont want to hear this, but why not run a lower difficulty
setting?  i do.
maybe we should form a support group.. sub-ace drivers anon?
i'm currently doing 100% race progression to find a setting i can race at
with good competition
today i did amateur and won by only 2sec on a 2nd to last lap pass on schu..
but i also had about 6 spin-offs in that race, and had fastest lap by
about 4 seconds.

guess i'll try the next setting up tomorrow..

-------
Carlos Ribas
MalSoft
http://www.nol.net/~draconis

Jo

Help on GP2

by Jo » Fri, 16 Aug 1996 04:00:00


> 1.) Is the difference in my lap times between sessions solely to do
>     with the greater fuel load caried in the race,or is there something
>     to be gained by using separate qualifying/race set-ups.If so,what,
>     as I feel I might be missing something.
> 2.) Does the team that you drive for affect the performance of the car
>     when using 1994 levels.I currently drive for Sauber.(I know this
>     sounds like a feeble excuse for poor performance,but I am desperate)

> 3.) I currently have steering help on. Does this hamper performance in
>     any way?(I hope not as I find it very difficult without it)

Excellent questions. I have wondered why my non-qual times are so bad
even when I am running with very little fuel... maybe all the
other-car turbulence? I doubt it.. I hope someone enlightens us to
what it could be.

I think you probably want to work at amateur or rookie for a while
longer until you can get used to regular steering (unless you are a
keyboard-only driver). If you very carefully configure your controller
in the controller setup, you can make it much easier on yourself. I
found that steering help didn't always take turns the way I wanted,
let AI cars around me. And on certain parts of the track I am much
faster without steering help than the AI cars- best to use steering
help on the lower skill settings, I'd say.

Piers Samwell-Smit

Help on GP2

by Piers Samwell-Smit » Fri, 16 Aug 1996 04:00:00


> Please help me!
>   After hours of practicing at Interlagos my best time is 1:17:683
> I don`t feel as if I can improve much more but I am still 1 second
> from pole position time on only semi-pro level.

Well that dosen't seem so bad to me, although I haven't tried with
steering help <fx:spit>.

It is frustrating, every so often I set the oppo's down to rookie and do
some overtaking.

The difference between a race and qualifying setup is, well it's a
different setup 'init. Generally you sacrafice a bit of speed and gain
some lattitude for mistakes.

Nope. Sorry and all that.

It marks you out as a wimp :), a *** :), and someone too stingy to buy
yourself a decent joystick or wheel.

If you want to win, set the difficulty down and turn on the aids. If you
want to compete and increase your skill, turn them off and - practice,
practice, practice.

--
Suck The Goat (althogh I stress this *is* optional)

Michael E. Carv

Help on GP2

by Michael E. Carv » Fri, 16 Aug 1996 04:00:00

:  1.) Is the difference in my lap times between sessions solely to do
:      with the greater fuel load caried in the race,or is there something
:      to be gained by using separate qualifying/race set-ups.If so,what,
:      as I feel I might be missing something.

Your lap times during practice should match your race times (with
similar fuel loads).  More fuel does seem to slow the car down and
affects handling to a degree.  You've got to remember that with a
heavier fuel load you are putting more stress on your tires.  By the
time your fuel load comes down to qualifying or practice levels, your
tires are worn.

Also GP2 seems to "simulate" engine modifications for qualifying.  If
you notice, you will reach a much higher top speed on the straights than
is possible in any other session.

:  2.) Does the team that you drive for affect the performance of the car
:      when using 1994 levels.I currently drive for Sauber.(I know this
:      sounds like a feeble excuse for poor performance,but I am desperate)
:  

Different cars do not appear to make a difference in performance.
However, it seems that the jury is still out about reliability.  I tend
towards driving for one of the more pitiful teams.  This leaves all of
the strong performers out on the track for competition.

:  3.) I currently have steering help on. Does this hamper performance in
:      any way?(I hope not as I find it very difficult without it)

It depends on what you are using for your "controller".  If it's via
keyboard forget about turning off steering help.  However, if it's via
steering wheel, yes it can hamper your performance.  With steering help
on, you are forced to take the "ideal" line even if it doesn't match
your driving style.  If you miss the approach to a high speed corner and
try to compensate by altering the line, steering help won't let you.

: Any comments or helpful suggestions will be much appreciated as I cannot
: bear to see the leading cars disappear into the distance time and time again

Practice Practice Practice.  Don't take too many big steps at a time.
Before you start playing with your setup, make sure that you are doing
consistant lap times.  Make a small adjustment and go back out to the
track.  Again, don't be tempted to make changes until you are once again
making consitant times.  A small change in your car's setup can
drastically alter the way the course most be attacked.  Trust me, it
will soon come to you.  If you are a pure rookie the learning curves are
real steep.  But, it's worth it once you reach your first plateau.

Performance driving tip of the day:  Drive ahead!  Before you reach your
braking point, visualize braking at that point.  Before you even begin
your turn visualize where you want the car to be after you finish the
turn.  If you can do this consitantly through a whole lap, you will see
a hefty increase in your overall performance.  This is the toughest thing
for me to do.  I kick myself everytime I stop doing it.  Because sure
enough, my times start to drop and I start making mistakes.

One more free tip:  Work on consitancy and smoothness.  Get this down
and the speed will come naturally.

--
**************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
     Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

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Jo

Help on GP2

by Jo » Sat, 17 Aug 1996 04:00:00

Here's something I need some help with. At Spa, on the front straight,
I've noticed a terrific snap in my car as I enter in to the second
half of the fast "S" curve/chicane... I've started to realize that it
is the source of many problems in my consistency on the course. What
is that from? I mean, I know a little understeer when I see it, but
this is more like something kicks my rear tires hard, very fast.
Rarely fatal, but it makes keeping on my line sort of touch and go. I
have a sinking feeling it could be my T2 pots, but I think that is
just paranoia.

Greg Cis

Help on GP2

by Greg Cis » Sat, 17 Aug 1996 04:00:00


>i'm currently doing 100% race progression to find a setting i can race at
>with good competition
>today i did amateur and won by only 2sec on a 2nd to last lap pass on schu..
>but i also had about 6 spin-offs in that race, and had fastest lap by
>about 4 seconds.

I think you have found your setting. It needs to be against opposition that
is 4 seconds faster per lap. ie You & the AI lapping at the same speed. Your
6 spin-offs will really mean something then :-)
Jo

Help on GP2

by Jo » Sat, 17 Aug 1996 04:00:00


Yes, maybe that is what I'm seeing. That would definitely explain why
my gearing needs to be different in a race from qual, I'd think

Hmmm... never thought of that. Verstappen, right? Zanardi? Blundell?
Every damn race one of them or all goes out....

... And ends up in indycar! Alright, Verstappen still has an F1 ride.

Excellent tips left in:

Greg Cis

Help on GP2

by Greg Cis » Mon, 19 Aug 1996 04:00:00


>Here's something I need some help with. At Spa, on the front straight,
>I've noticed a terrific snap in my car as I enter in to the second
>half of the fast "S" curve/chicane... I've started to realize that it
>is the source of many problems in my consistency on the course. What
>is that from? I mean, I know a little understeer when I see it, but
>this is more like something kicks my rear tires hard, very fast.
>Rarely fatal, but it makes keeping on my line sort of touch and go. I
>have a sinking feeling it could be my T2 pots, but I think that is
>just paranoia.

Are you saying your pots give out only in that oone part ofthe track :-)
Actually, you can take the first part of the S at 195mph (I probably should
switch to kph), but there is a bump at the 2nd part of the S. If you  don't
ease off a little, you have a great shot at wrecking. You can see the left
side tires &  middle bar of the damage model icon turn yellow. This is because
you loose contact with the roadway.
Jo

Help on GP2

by Jo » Tue, 20 Aug 1996 04:00:00



<...>
>> I
>>have a sinking feeling it could be my T2 pots, but I think that is
>>just paranoia.
>Are you saying your pots give out only in that oone part ofthe track :-)
>Actually, you can take the first part of the S at 195mph (I probably should
>switch to kph), but there is a bump at the 2nd part of the S. If you  don't
>ease off a little, you have a great shot at wrecking. You can see the left
>side tires &  middle bar of the damage model icon turn yellow. This is because
>you loose contact with the roadway.

Well, turns out my pots were *really* bad- I finally checked them out,
and anyway, to make a long story short, a $9 bottle of "tuner
cleaner/lubricant" from Radio Shack  has restored my T2 to perfect
condition. I went ahead and cleaned the pedal pots too. I can't
believe the difference.

And about what you say- ya, I bottom out there all the time; I don't
have any problem there anymore.

BTW, Spa has some odd "bugs" tho- a guy passed me on my left just
before that opening hill... problem is, he apparently went right
through the barrier to do it. Sort of startling!

Secondy, in the marvelous final chicane before the straighaway,
(starting with the left you must take to avoid going in to the pits),
I've commonly gotten stuck with traffic stopping me ahead, and then
some AI guy will  barrel very fast in to me from behind. Seems a
little odd- sure, once in a while, but this happens a lot there.

Even worse, AI guys seem to think that whole area is simply the best
place to pass in the world- gets so that any time I see the guy close
in my mirror, I just pull over to save both of us from a wreck.


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