rec.autos.simulators

I know we all know that ICR2 is simulated better on ovals than on the
road courses.  But after spinning out at Portland for the 1 millionth
time going 15mph, I am getting fed up (yes I know how to properly drive
Portland!)  Is there ANY way to improve the grip on road courses?  Mid
Ohio is the same way.

-Jeff

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This is off subject, but your post echoes many thoughts I had as I fought
car setups in ICR2 (and NCR2 for that matter). I set it aside when GP2 came
out some time ago, and only recently reinstalled it and drove/limped a few
laps around Elkhart. The difference between the two is night and day! I'm
certain that you can set up the car up so it turns in; I've done it before.
What's missing, though, is the level of feel you have going into, around,
and out of corners in GP2. I haven't put my finger on the difference, but I
think it might be simply the sharper (more cartoonish, more saturated
colors?) graphics in GP2. Whatever it is, I feel the speed; I feel
impending wheel lock, and I feel impending oversteer. I can threshold brake
diving into corners; I can feather the throttle on the edge of wheel spin
coming out.

Driving ICR2 in comparison was very much like sloshing around in mush. I
know intellectually that turn 5 (at Elkhart) is slow, and I know from
experience that I can delay a touch past the "2" marker to brake. I know
from trial and error how much I can trail brake turning in, and I know this
puts me on a line that I can put the hammer down a heart beat past apex.
Very little of it is feel.

The sensation of speed is just not there in ICR2. It feels heavy and
ponderous, like a bowling ball in a hurry. GP2 is light and delicate, more
like a surgeon's finely honed scalpel blade. Is this just a difference in
the games, or a correct reflection of reality? I recently took to watching
the FIA guys go at it, and the truth is, the F1 cars genuinely look faster,
tauter, and more in control than CART's.

Anyway, with fine control over every setting on the car in GP2, I can't
imagine how I ever managed to setup an ICR car to do anything. Maybe it is
just the difference in the games after all.

Mike.

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TCFF  61535 59535 57535 57535 80800 79989 28989 39000 (front)
TCFR  65535 63535 61535 61535 84800 83989 32989 43000 (Rear)

These are from my modified "Porthq" track.  The first 2 sets of numbers
are for the hard compound, the second for the medium, the 3rd for the
soft, and the 4th for the unused rain compound tire.  By changing the
value up it usually results in much better grip.  Example change the
"61535" to "81535" you should get alot more grip.  Just remember to
modify both the upper and lower sets of numbers, and all of them
equally.  I never bother with the rain tires. If changing up doesn't
work, then try changing them down.  But I'm pretty sure it's increasing
the value that works.  Remember, this is not cheating, you are just
getting better tires just like the big boys.

Mike

---Jim

I agree totally with this. I despise ICR2 for this... it equals no fun
at all. However, as you say, it's not a Papyrus fault, because sliding
around in Nascar/N2 is a barrel of laughs!!

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Dave Bowers

Get the Rendition version (and a Rendition-based video card) of ICR2!  You
won't regret it!!!

Loren

add more cross weight to the right side.  it worked in nascar2

...er...in case you haven't noticed, IndyCar II dosen't use the
crossweight feature.

Marc

Increasing the negative camber on all four wheels will
work wonders.

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: >add more cross weight to the right side.  it worked in nascar2

: ...er...in case you haven't noticed, IndyCar II dosen't use the
: crossweight feature.

Very true.  But I am curious, I've heard mention several times this year
about the drivers in CART being able to adjust the "weight jack" from
the***pit.  Is this adjustment similar to the adjustments made by the
NASCAR pit crew?

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The way you may adjust the weight jack on an indycar is by setting the
rake of the chassis, i . e ride height front vs. rear. Indycars are
pretty dependant on their aerodynamics, they even use a 3rd shock to
stop the dive & rise motions when accel. and braking.
I can`t say for sure, but I think the only driver-adjustable chassis
feature still is the roll-bars. Any rake etc would be adjusting
aerodynamics while moving, and that is not allowed.

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Gregory Fung

Vancouver, B.C., Canada

Matt

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Mobile: (+47) 92 44 66 50

Cheers,

Craig