rec.autos.simulators

I still want to do this "Lets talk about what we want in a new CART sim and
maybe someone really finds out they want this game and make it". Remember
someone here talked about how creat a CanAm sim would be, and now look at
Motorsims.....

One of the few good things about C:PR was that mechanical enginner option
you could use in the garage. You were asked 6 questions about car handling
and drivability. Of course this would never make perfect setups, but I
remember the car improved.

Why don't we take this a little further. I and a fellow simracer used to
race modem to modem Michigan in ICR2. We usually had 60 lap races so we had
to pit. But preparing for a pitstop in the menus while going flat out in 240
mph is a bit difficult, and there is no time to set amount of fuel, select
tires, wing angles and so on before hitting that first pitbox. In GP2 you have
to wait until you are on the jacks before choosing what to change during the
pitstop.

This is a real waste of time and no driver do never have to go through so
much trouble before a pitstop. Of course he has to make some decisions but
it is the team managers call, and at least the driver get away with saying
them, not to press F4 and < and > all the time :)

My point is, why doesn't anyone simulate the whole weekend better.
A race weekend should be in realtime, of course you should be able to
choose the lenght of practice, qualifying and race, but when you do changes
to the setup you would loose the time it takes to do those changes. What would
be really great for ultimate realism was that you must choose a initial setup
before starting on friday practice (this setup would be made during pre-season
testing). During practice you will improve the setup, but you loose time when
you do radical changes. The qualifying at last a hectic mornig warmup where
you finetune the race setup. This way the frustration of not getting the car
right could be simulated also :) And if during a championship there is no
turning back it could be a source of real anger :))

Then finally there is the race. The AI team manager give you the fuel settings
and so on during the race and call you in for pit-stops when needed. Before the
race you may decide how the stategy will be or let the team manager do it. It
would be for me a big relief not to have to concentrate on whenever i should
put 27 or 32 gallons of fuel in the car, but just race and let the team manager
give me the ultimate pitstop. And you don't have to go through that selection
process you need to do if you only need a splash-and-dash when there is few
laps left...

Sorry for a bit messy post...

--
Olav K. Malmin
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It wouldn't even really have to be realtime to satisfy me.  There could
simply be a "catalog" of how long routine tasks take to accomplish.  You'd
simply pick the changes you want and then be stuck in the pits/paddock for
the appropriate amount of time.  The only problem with this is deciding
how long it should take to fix damage.  I don't believe there are any
sims that model damage in enough detail for this to work.  I can just
imagine the "holy wars" that would develop over this! :-0

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Important ones denoted with *                                          

All tracks*                                            
Good but easy to use Track Editor                                      

All cars (none fictional)*                                              
Fantasy Tracks 8^)                                              
GPL Physics or N3 if not GPL*                                          
All teams (tobacco and *** if possible)*                            

native RENDITION support***                                            
drafting*                                              
3d***pits*                                            
3d Physics engine that simulates true CART handling*                    

Resolutions like 800x600 and 1024x768*                                  

Excellent car damage model so that no two crashes look alike*          

Realistic flip effects,like GPL and not Andretti Racing (boo)
Comprehensive car setups, including springs, shocks, camber, weight  jacker on
ovals, static ride height, dampers, rebounds, bump stops, etc.  *      

Realistic effects like bottoming out*                                  
Realistic debris that you can run over and damage your car on          

Random tire blowouts*                                  
Oil and other fluids from engine failures*                              

Fire (highly unlikely this will be allowed by CART)*                    

Realistic wall types and wall effects (Armco barriers do more damage than
concrete, tire walls do less damage than concrete, tire walls          

cause car to get airborne and flip more than concrete and armcos, etc.)*

Realistic gravel trap effects (Come on, you know you wanna do an Andretti at
Mid-Ohio, admit it...)*                                
Improved Paintkit*                                      
realistic sounds actually digitally recorded*                          

animated pit stops*                                    
area in pit road that can be drivin off into the infield to get to
victory lane..or garage*                                        
realistic***pit that has hand on wheel like GPL*                      

better frame rates/3d acceleration/1024x768 resolution*        

better engine, way more realistic damage to the car, the way the damage is
spread across the track in real life...fliping catchin air on other
tires*                                          
better smoke,skid marks and racing groove*,                            

possible damage of the catch fencing*                                  

RED FLAGS*                                              
animated workers on the track after a wreck...and if possible
ambulances or REAL tow-trucks*                                          
marks on the walls after a hit, animated flagmen*                      

more options to change on the car in garage                            

full field of cars*                                            
all the current tracks ( if possible...Indianapolis, since it rightfully is
CART's) *                                      
realistic lookin part-time road courses like with the closed off streets and
stuff*                                          
fire,fuel and oil leaks, (causin slippery race track)*                  

possible damage to the pit wall..*                                      

animated OPPONENT pit stops*                                            
more realistic AI cars*                                        
weather changes like durin the race, rain, wind, etc*                  

possible use of rain tires, and racing in the rain (regardless of if there was
rain that season or not*)

If your team mate was rated as 10, he'd have to do all that for you, and a team
mate factor of 5 would mean equal status within the team. The team mate factor
could change from race to race depending on your performace relitive to you
team mate's.

That would be realistic from an Eddie Irvine/F1 point of view. No so much for a
CART sim.

Rob Swindells
3rd equal in Goldline Bearing FFord Championship (18 Points);
9 points behind Championship Leader (as of round 4 of 6)
"If you're a great driver, you will get through. It's not harder than any time
before." ~Martin Brundle

With dirty air there would surely be more dicing where slower cars were
able to hold up faster ones, resulting in 2, 3 or more cars staying
relatively close together on the track instead of getting strung out
round the circuit.
--
Peter Ives

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If dirty air is done correctly then at what speeds should we start to
notice the effects?  I would have thought somewhere about 70mph and
above.
--
Peter Ives

This, I couldn't even guess at.  I've forgotten the last time it was explained
fully on tv.
But, it sounds about right.

Eldred

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