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by **Craig Garnet** » Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Can someone please explain the difference between
Indycars, Cart Racing , And Champ Cars.

Thanks
Craig

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by **Greg Cisk** » Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:00:00

>Can someone please explain the difference between
>Indycars, Cart Racing , And Champ Cars.

They are essentially the same cars but different names.
They were called CART Indycars when they ran at Indy.
After the split in 1994 (I believe) they just became CART.
Then last year they were sponsored by FedEx and became
CHAMP Cars. But they are essentially the same teams and
drivers (Al Unser Jr, Michael Andretti, Bobby Rahal).

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by **DPHI** » Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Without going into the politics of Open Wheel Racing in the US, I will try to
answer your question.
Indycars are those that run under the banner of the Indy Racing League (IRL), a
series formed 3 years ago by one Tony George, owner of the Indianapolis Motor
Speedway. IRL cars run normally aspirated, 4 liter (soon to be 3.5), 32 valve
powerplants with rev limiters, based on production car engines. The dominent
engine manufacturer is Oldsmobile (General Motors) with an Infiniti (Nissan) or
two thrown in for variety. The IRL runs only on oval tracks and only in the US.

CART, also known as Champ Cars (the history behind this name is better left to
a seperate thread) , or Championship Auto Racing Teams, runs 3 liter
turbocharged, V-8 engines from Toyota, Mercedes-Benz, Ford and Honda with no
set rev limits. The Cart championship is run on a mix of oval and natural road
courses as well as street circuits in North and South America, Australia, Japan
and possibly Europe in the very near future.

-don

by **Jim Getze** » Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Don's explaination below is a good one, however it should be noted that
people still say "Indycar" out of habit, even when they are referring to
CART Champ cars. CART agreed not to use the term "Indycar" a couple of years
ago, due to the confusion with the cars of the newly formed Indy Racing
League, but old habits die hard and new terms like "Champ cars" are slow to
be adopted. Add to this the American public's general lack of knowledge
regarding open-wheeled racing (I'd wager that 98% of Americans could not
name one track that CART or the IRL races on, aside from Indianapolis, and
could not name more than two drivers from either series) and you can be sure
that the generic use of "Indycar" will continue for a long time.

Jim Getzen

>>Can someone please explain the difference between
>>Indycars, Cart Racing , And Champ Cars.

>>Thanks
>>Craig

>Without going into the politics of Open Wheel Racing in the US, I will try
to
>answer your question.
>Indycars are those that run under the banner of the Indy Racing League
(IRL), a
>series formed 3 years ago by one Tony George, owner of the Indianapolis
Motor
>Speedway. IRL cars run normally aspirated, 4 liter (soon to be 3.5), 32
valve
>powerplants with rev limiters, based on production car engines. The
dominent
>engine manufacturer is Oldsmobile (General Motors) with an Infiniti
(Nissan) or
>two thrown in for variety. The IRL runs only on oval tracks and only in the
US.

> CART, also known as Champ Cars (the history behind this name is better
left to
>a seperate thread) , or Championship Auto Racing Teams, runs 3 liter
>turbocharged, V-8 engines from Toyota, Mercedes-Benz, Ford and Honda with
no
>set rev limits. The Cart championship is run on a mix of oval and natural
road
>courses as well as street circuits in North and South America, Australia,
Japan
>and possibly Europe in the very near future.

>-don

by **Graeme Nas** » Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:00:00

I thought it was at the end of '95? Although I could be wrong, I didn't
follow US racing back then...

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by **Michael E. Carve** » Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:00:00

% Don's explaination below is a good one, however it should be noted that
% people still say "Indycar" out of habit, even when they are referring to
% CART Champ cars. CART agreed not to use the term "Indycar" a couple of years
% ago, due to the confusion with the cars of the newly formed Indy Racing
% League, but old habits die hard and new terms like "Champ cars" are slow to
% be adopted. Add to this the American public's general lack of knowledge
% regarding open-wheeled racing (I'd wager that 98% of Americans could not
% name one track that CART or the IRL races on, aside from Indianapolis, and
% could not name more than two drivers from either series) and you can be sure
% that the generic use of "Indycar" will continue for a long time.

Actually to muddy the waters, if I recall correctly there was a law suit
between Tony George and CART. The ruling was that neither side could
use the term IndyCar for a certain amount of time. That was when the
term "Champ Cars" begin to show up.
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by **war** » Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:00:00

> % Don's explaination below is a good one, however it should be noted that
> % people still say "Indycar" out of habit, even when they are referring to
> % CART Champ cars. CART agreed not to use the term "Indycar" a couple of years
> % ago, due to the confusion with the cars of the newly formed Indy Racing
> % League, but old habits die hard and new terms like "Champ cars" are slow to
> % be adopted. Add to this the American public's general lack of knowledge
> % regarding open-wheeled racing (I'd wager that 98% of Americans could not
> % name one track that CART or the IRL races on, aside from Indianapolis, and
> % could not name more than two drivers from either series) and you can be sure
> % that the generic use of "Indycar" will continue for a long time.

Elkart Lake, Portland, Laguna Seca, etc.etc.. I won't bother with
drivers...

In reality, the term "Champ Cars" has been used since the 40's or so. it
just fell out of favor for awhile.
The whole split is a joke. CART/IRL are just killing themselves with all
this constant fighting. They've done nothing but manage to make NASCAR
the #1 race series in the US. What should be the end all and be all of
motorsport in the US will fall by the wayside soon enough if they don't
all just get along. Too bad really, it was a good series. Maybe though
it will reopen the door for sports cars in the US again.

by **SteveBla** » Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:00:00

I read somewhere recently about IRL's new engine formula, with them going to
3.0 liters by 2000, using non-production-based motors. The article mentioned
discussions with CART along the lines of convergence, the big holdup being
engine-leasing as now practiced in CART, and I believe, F1. CART seemed
inclined toward the 3 liter aspro setup. Lessee, the cars are getting more and
more alike, and now Tony George has locked up the USGP F1 at Indy in 2000. (see
map of course at http://www.dailyf1.com/) Wonder if they'll let Schuey, et al
do a few hotlaps on the full oval just for kicks. Hmmmmm.

Steve B.

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by **Craig Garnet** » Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Well thanks for clearing that up guys :-)
That's the longest thread I've ever started.

Craig

by **david kar** » Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Actually, wasn't (yech!) nascar the no. 1 racing series in Amerika well
before the CART/IRL split?

>> % Don's explaination below is a good one, however it should be noted that
>> % people still say "Indycar" out of habit, even when they are referring
to
>> % CART Champ cars. CART agreed not to use the term "Indycar" a couple of
years
>> % ago, due to the confusion with the cars of the newly formed Indy Racing
>> % League, but old habits die hard and new terms like "Champ cars" are
slow to
>> % be adopted. Add to this the American public's general lack of knowledge
>> % regarding open-wheeled racing (I'd wager that 98% of Americans could
not
>> % name one track that CART or the IRL races on, aside from Indianapolis,
and
>> % could not name more than two drivers from either series) and you can be
sure
>> % that the generic use of "Indycar" will continue for a long time.
>Elkart Lake, Portland, Laguna Seca, etc.etc.. I won't bother with
>drivers...

>> Actually to muddy the waters, if I recall correctly there was a law suit
>> between Tony George and CART. The ruling was that neither side could
>> use the term IndyCar for a certain amount of time. That was when the
>> term "Champ Cars" begin to show up.

>In reality, the term "Champ Cars" has been used since the 40's or so. it
>just fell out of favor for awhile.
>The whole split is a joke. CART/IRL are just killing themselves with all
>this constant fighting. They've done nothing but manage to make NASCAR
>the #1 race series in the US. What should be the end all and be all of
>motorsport in the US will fall by the wayside soon enough if they don't
>all just get along. Too bad really, it was a good series. Maybe though
>it will reopen the door for sports cars in the US again.

by **DPHI** » Sun, 06 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Damn! I had a feeling I was wrong about the displacement, but at 5 AM or so I
didn't feel like looking it up :-) I knew some kind soul would correct me!
Thanks!

-don

by **Jeff Vince** » Tue, 08 Dec 1998 04:00:00

On Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:39:03 -0600, "david karr"

>Actually, wasn't (yech!) nascar the no. 1 racing series in Amerika well
>before the CART/IRL split?

Hey, now, don't let the facts get in the way of this guy trying to
make his point! :)

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by **Schlom** » Wed, 09 Dec 1998 04:00:00

See to me being a short track fan Champ Cars refer to the USAC Silver Crown
series. I guess it a matter of prespective

You have got to be kidding!!! He would be scared to go that fast.
Well...wait...Scheuy and Villenuve could do it and maybe some of the other big
names(ie. Hakkinen, Hill etc.). But some of them guys would need a change of
pants after a 210+ MPH lap.

Think about it. They dont see 200MPH very often.

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