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Free DSL? This is NOT SPAM. Computer wizz's please read.

Mark Jeangerar

Free DSL? This is NOT SPAM. Computer wizz's please read.

by Mark Jeangerar » Fri, 04 Feb 2000 04:00:00

I'm looking at their web page, right? It says I can get free DSL by using their software. No problem. I got my real account, I got my SPAM account. Sounds good to me. Two questions:

1. Is DSL any good for online racing?

2. Will their proposed window run with GPL?

www.freedsl.com

--
Mark Jeangerard
www.soundchaserweb.com
New Mexico USA

jbo..

Free DSL? This is NOT SPAM. Computer wizz's please read.

by jbo.. » Sat, 05 Feb 2000 04:00:00

DSL rocks for online racing -- many times faster than a 56K modem
connection.  Cable modems have potentially faster data transfer rates,
but with a cable modem, you share bandwidth with EVERYBODY on your
network segment, so if your neighbor's kid decides to stand up an FTP
site for bootleg games (for example), then your bandwidth (and access
speeds) can go down the toilet and it'll be like racing online with a
14.4 modem all over again.

FWIW, I queried these folks about two weeks ago, asking if their online
toolbar would be compatible with online games, but so far I have heard
nothing back from them, which worries me a bit.  Either they're swamped,
or clueless -- either way, that bodes poorly for customer service down
the road.

Still, it DOES sound like an excellent deal, even if you DO end up
paying for the DSL modem/converter yourself -- just having them pick up
the monthly tab is a HUGE cost saver.  I can't imagine a toolbar like
that with streaming ad banners and such having much impact on the
overall bandwidth on a DSL connection, so my guess is that it would be
fine for online ***.

Also FWIW, I would imagine that the toolbar would be over-ridden by your
game when it switches to full-screen mode (in the same manner that ICQ
is, for example), and THAT part was what had me worried -- would that
disconnect you (defeating the purpose of the DSL connection for online
***) or would it continue to function in the background, obvlivious
to the fact that you were having the time of your life with GPL? <G>  My
guess is that this is the case, and they don't want to advertise to
their advertisers that online gamers will be able to simply bury the
toolbar in the background and ignore it while playing -- which could be
why they haven't replied to my query.  If this is the case, then FreeDSL
could turn out to be THE best-kept secret in online ***.

Let us know if you hear anything from them, and I'll do the same.

-- JB



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Dino

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by Dino » Sat, 05 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Taken from their "How we do It" link...

A key component to our FreeDSLT service is our private labeled FreeDSLT
Browser Assistant, a small navigational bar displayed on our users' computer
screens while they are online. The FreeDSLT Browser Assistant can be
positioned to any location on the computer screen, but cannot be closed and
must remain visible on the desktop as long as our users are connected
through our FreeDSLT service. This enables advertisers and marketers to
deliver messages to our users the entire time they are online.

I think the key phrase is "must remain visible".
DN


I'm looking at their web page, right? It says I can get free DSL by using
their software. No problem. I got my real account, I got my SPAM account.
Sounds good to me. Two questions:

1. Is DSL any good for online racing?

2. Will their proposed window run with GPL?

www.freedsl.com

--
Mark Jeangerard
www.soundchaserweb.com
New Mexico USA

jbo..

Free DSL? This is NOT SPAM. Computer wizz's please read.

by jbo.. » Sun, 06 Feb 2000 04:00:00



Sorry, but I have to disagree.  The key phrase is "cannot be closed and
must remain visible on the desktop."  If you use something like ICQ or
something like Pointcast and happen to leave them open while connected
to the Internet, and then you launch GPL, for instance, ICQ or
Pointcast WILL remain visible on your desktop, BUT when GPL goes to
full-screen mode, it HIDES the desktop.  After you leave GPL and return
to your desktop, ICQ or Pointcast will still be there, and the entire
time you were in GPL racing, they would have been loafing in the
background, signaling alerts, streaming banners, etc.  Leave Outlook
Express up on your desktop while racing, and if you have if you have it
set to check for mail every 5 minutes, and it will check for mail every
5 minutes, even while you're racing in GPL in full-screen mode.  My
guess is the same appies to the FreeDSL navigator bar -- it's most
likely oblivious to whether what's going on, so long as it "knows" that
it's still visible on the desktop.

I think this is why the FreeDSL people haven't answered my query yet.
I would bet the answer -- the REAL answer -- isn't one they want gamers
and advertisers to know about or to be aware of.

Just my theory on the situation.

-- JB

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Dino

Free DSL? This is NOT SPAM. Computer wizz's please read.

by Dino » Sun, 06 Feb 2000 04:00:00




> > Taken from their "How we do It" link...

> > A key component to our FreeDSLT service is our private labeled
> FreeDSLT
> > Browser Assistant, a small navigational bar displayed on our users'
> computer
> > screens while they are online. The FreeDSLT Browser Assistant can be
> > positioned to any location on the computer screen, but cannot be
> closed and
> > must remain visible on the desktop as long as our users are connected
> > through our FreeDSLT service. This enables advertisers and marketers
> to
> > deliver messages to our users the entire time they are online.

> > I think the key phrase is "must remain visible".
> > DN

> Sorry, but I have to disagree.  The key phrase is "cannot be closed and
> must remain visible on the desktop."  If you use something like ICQ or
> something like Pointcast and happen to leave them open while connected
> to the Internet, and then you launch GPL, for instance, ICQ or
> Pointcast WILL remain visible on your desktop, BUT when GPL goes to
> full-screen mode, it HIDES the desktop.  After you leave GPL and return
> to your desktop, ICQ or Pointcast will still be there, and the entire
> time you were in GPL racing, they would have been loafing in the
> background, signaling alerts, streaming banners, etc.  Leave Outlook
> Express up on your desktop while racing, and if you have if you have it
> set to check for mail every 5 minutes, and it will check for mail every
> 5 minutes, even while you're racing in GPL in full-screen mode.  My
> guess is the same appies to the FreeDSL navigator bar -- it's most
> likely oblivious to whether what's going on, so long as it "knows" that
> it's still visible on the desktop.

> I think this is why the FreeDSL people haven't answered my query yet.
> I would bet the answer -- the REAL answer -- isn't one they want gamers
> and advertisers to know about or to be aware of.

> Just my theory on the situation.

> -- JB

I certainly hope your theory is correct but my guess Is that when the
service is released there will be a time limit on
inactivity...i.e..supporting their sponsors.

"Money for nothing and the chicks for free"....we wish:)
DN

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Don Hancock (

Free DSL? This is NOT SPAM. Computer wizz's please read.

by Don Hancock ( » Wed, 09 Feb 2000 04:00:00

    I'm going to guess it's a lot like the "navigation banner" that freeinet
uses.  It's a "free" ISP that parks a Navigation bar on your screen that
can't be hidden (or moved off the screen, or minimized).  I'll bet they both
use the same technology.

Gunner

Mark Jeangerar

Free DSL? This is NOT SPAM. Computer wizz's please read.

by Mark Jeangerar » Thu, 10 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Hey! You're not supposed to ask them. There's no way they want a bunch of
gamers using up their bandwidth. The question was if DSL would benefit
online racing and if a proggy like the one they are using would run behind
GPL.

That's why I asked here instead of emailing them.
--
Mark Jeangerard
www.soundchaserweb.com
New Mexico USA




> Sorry, but I have to disagree.  The key phrase is "cannot be closed and
> must remain visible on the desktop."  If you use something like ICQ or
> something like Pointcast and happen to leave them open while connected
> to the Internet, and then you launch GPL, for instance, ICQ or
> Pointcast WILL remain visible on your desktop, BUT when GPL goes to
> full-screen mode, it HIDES the desktop.  After you leave GPL and return
> to your desktop, ICQ or Pointcast will still be there, and the entire
> time you were in GPL racing, they would have been loafing in the
> background, signaling alerts, streaming banners, etc.  Leave Outlook
> Express up on your desktop while racing, and if you have if you have it
> set to check for mail every 5 minutes, and it will check for mail every
> 5 minutes, even while you're racing in GPL in full-screen mode.  My
> guess is the same appies to the FreeDSL navigator bar -- it's most
> likely oblivious to whether what's going on, so long as it "knows" that
> it's still visible on the desktop.

> I think this is why the FreeDSL people haven't answered my query yet.
> I would bet the answer -- the REAL answer -- isn't one they want gamers
> and advertisers to know about or to be aware of.

> Just my theory on the situation.

> -- JB

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jbo..

Free DSL? This is NOT SPAM. Computer wizz's please read.

by jbo.. » Thu, 10 Feb 2000 04:00:00

I e-mailed them over a month ago on this, so it wasn't you who prompted
me to as -- it was my own curiousity.

FWIW, DSL doesn't involve any shared bandwidth -- cable modem users DO
share bandwidth with others, but DSL is essentially a private dedicated
network/internet connection between you and the phone company.  So
bandwidth isn't the issue -- but as I said, I'm sure they don't want
potential advertisers to know that games may or may not push their
ad/task bar to the rear without having any impact on your connection.

-- JB



> Hey! You're not supposed to ask them. There's no way they want a bunch
of
> gamers using up their bandwidth. The question was if DSL would benefit
> online racing and if a proggy like the one they are using would run
behind
> GPL.

> That's why I asked here instead of emailing them.
> --
> Mark Jeangerard
> www.soundchaserweb.com
> New Mexico USA






> > Sorry, but I have to disagree.  The key phrase is "cannot be closed
and
> > must remain visible on the desktop."  If you use something like ICQ
or
> > something like Pointcast and happen to leave them open while
connected
> > to the Internet, and then you launch GPL, for instance, ICQ or
> > Pointcast WILL remain visible on your desktop, BUT when GPL goes to
> > full-screen mode, it HIDES the desktop.  After you leave GPL and
return
> > to your desktop, ICQ or Pointcast will still be there, and the
entire
> > time you were in GPL racing, they would have been loafing in the
> > background, signaling alerts, streaming banners, etc.  Leave Outlook
> > Express up on your desktop while racing, and if you have if you have
it
> > set to check for mail every 5 minutes, and it will check for mail
every
> > 5 minutes, even while you're racing in GPL in full-screen mode.  My
> > guess is the same appies to the FreeDSL navigator bar -- it's most
> > likely oblivious to whether what's going on, so long as it "knows"
that
> > it's still visible on the desktop.

> > I think this is why the FreeDSL people haven't answered my query
yet.
> > I would bet the answer -- the REAL answer -- isn't one they want
gamers
> > and advertisers to know about or to be aware of.

> > Just my theory on the situation.

> > -- JB

> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.

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