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by **Olav K. Malm** » Wed, 05 Dec 2001 17:56:27

Got tired of waiting for the Radeon that never seems to want to get
shipped into this country, so I picked up a ELSA geforce3 ti 200
yesterday. Sorry good old V5, out you go.

Installed with the latest detonator drivers for WinME (2310) and boy
was there a difference. All my games suddenly started to fly, and my
3d mark 2001 score went from 2400 to 6500 (7000 after clocking the
card to gf3 standards)

I could start from the back of the grid at monaco with 1200x1024x32 in
monsoon rain in F1 2001 and still smooth.

GPL was rock solid on 36 fps even on 1600x1200, but I haven't tried
starting at the back of the grid yet. But I have some weird graphics
problems with gpl, problems I also had with the V5. When going into
the options menu while racing and back again, all text (framerate,
chats) gets shadowed out so I can hardly see it.

I only got a few issues:

Rally Throphy demo get 20 fps and stutters like hell, even on
1024x762x16 low detail.

I stuggeling to get decent framerates with N4 while keeping the image
quality. If flew on 1024x768x16 (100 fps) but it was way too
jaggy. But I think I stuck in a dead end when trying the FSAA,
framerates were around 30. Come to think about it, I never tried
1600x1200. And forget D3D, I had to use OpenGL without stutter
mania. I would really appreciate any tips on setting up N4.

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by **Andre Warrin** » Wed, 05 Dec 2001 18:46:33

>1600x1200. And forget D3D, I had to use OpenGL without stutter
>mania. I would really appreciate any tips on setting up N4.

Try the OpenGL T&L setting and turn VSync off in your windows video
properties.

Andre

by **Rafe McAulif** » Wed, 05 Dec 2001 20:53:30

>Got tired of waiting for the Radeon that never seems to want to get
>shipped into this country, so I picked up a ELSA geforce3 ti 200
>yesterday. Sorry good old V5, out you go.

>Installed with the latest detonator drivers for WinME (2310) and boy
>was there a difference. All my games suddenly started to fly, and my
>3d mark 2001 score went from 2400 to 6500 (7000 after clocking the
>card to gf3 standards)

Sounds good, the GF3 really flies :D

I have a problem with some texts (like track record holder and time
for instance, all black blocks). I think this is a driver issue, but I
haven't tried any others yet to fix it.

RT I had exactly the same problem, only 22 fps even in 640x480. I
found the solution tho :) I had maxed all the detail settings and draw
distance out, this killed the framerate totally. I haven't found a
good balance yet, but play around with the graphics settings. Problem
is that you have to restart to change them tho :(

I think you'd be better off with a higher res and no FSAA.

Rafe Mc

by **Ryan** » Wed, 05 Dec 2001 23:55:49

Try setting the mipmapping to a higher detail level in the OpenGL tab. I
don't think it hurts performance to badly and it should fix your jaggies for
the most part.

Ryan

by **Lars G** » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 01:52:22

Regarding stutter in Rally trophy:

Try setting the AGP Aperture Size higher in your BIOS.

I raised mine from 4 to 256 MB, which solved my problem in the RT
demo.

As a sideeffect it also doubled my framerates in almost all games :-)
(no kidding: QII went from 103 to 204 FPS, Unreal Tournament went from
47 to 95 FPS)

The reason it was set so low was that i previously had a V3 card that
liked that setting low.

Lars G.

>Got tired of waiting for the Radeon that never seems to want to get
>shipped into this country, so I picked up a ELSA geforce3 ti 200
>yesterday. Sorry good old V5, out you go.

>Installed with the latest detonator drivers for WinME (2310) and boy
>was there a difference. All my games suddenly started to fly, and my
>3d mark 2001 score went from 2400 to 6500 (7000 after clocking the
>card to gf3 standards)

>I could start from the back of the grid at monaco with 1200x1024x32 in
>monsoon rain in F1 2001 and still smooth.

>GPL was rock solid on 36 fps even on 1600x1200, but I haven't tried
>starting at the back of the grid yet. But I have some weird graphics
>problems with gpl, problems I also had with the V5. When going into
>the options menu while racing and back again, all text (framerate,
>chats) gets shadowed out so I can hardly see it.

>I only got a few issues:

>Rally Throphy demo get 20 fps and stutters like hell, even on
>1024x762x16 low detail.

>I stuggeling to get decent framerates with N4 while keeping the image
>quality. If flew on 1024x768x16 (100 fps) but it was way too
>jaggy. But I think I stuck in a dead end when trying the FSAA,
>framerates were around 30. Come to think about it, I never tried
>1600x1200. And forget D3D, I had to use OpenGL without stutter
>mania. I would really appreciate any tips on setting up N4.

by **Morgan V. Woote** » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 02:53:17

V3's weren't true AGP cards anyway so it really didn't matter. One reason
why I chunked my V3 for a GF2 GTS a year ago. Now I'm craving a GF3 or
Radeon, but no money!!! :(

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> Regarding stutter in Rally trophy:

> Try setting the AGP Aperture Size higher in your BIOS.

> I raised mine from 4 to 256 MB, which solved my problem in the RT
> demo.

> As a sideeffect it also doubled my framerates in almost all games :-)
> (no kidding: QII went from 103 to 204 FPS, Unreal Tournament went from
> 47 to 95 FPS)

> The reason it was set so low was that i previously had a V3 card that
> liked that setting low.

> Lars G.

> >Got tired of waiting for the Radeon that never seems to want to get
> >shipped into this country, so I picked up a ELSA geforce3 ti 200
> >yesterday. Sorry good old V5, out you go.

> >Installed with the latest detonator drivers for WinME (2310) and boy
> >was there a difference. All my games suddenly started to fly, and my
> >3d mark 2001 score went from 2400 to 6500 (7000 after clocking the
> >card to gf3 standards)

> >I could start from the back of the grid at monaco with 1200x1024x32 in
> >monsoon rain in F1 2001 and still smooth.

> >GPL was rock solid on 36 fps even on 1600x1200, but I haven't tried
> >starting at the back of the grid yet. But I have some weird graphics
> >problems with gpl, problems I also had with the V5. When going into
> >the options menu while racing and back again, all text (framerate,
> >chats) gets shadowed out so I can hardly see it.

> >I only got a few issues:

> >Rally Throphy demo get 20 fps and stutters like hell, even on
> >1024x762x16 low detail.

> >I stuggeling to get decent framerates with N4 while keeping the image
> >quality. If flew on 1024x768x16 (100 fps) but it was way too
> >jaggy. But I think I stuck in a dead end when trying the FSAA,
> >framerates were around 30. Come to think about it, I never tried
> >1600x1200. And forget D3D, I had to use OpenGL without stutter
> >mania. I would really appreciate any tips on setting up N4.

by **Olav K. Malm** » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 03:50:10

> Regarding stutter in Rally trophy:

> Try setting the AGP Aperture Size higher in your BIOS.

> I raised mine from 4 to 256 MB, which solved my problem in the RT
> demo.

Ok, I'll try that. Currently it's on 128 MB.

I tried plain 1600x1200x16 in N4 today and got 35-40 fps when starting
from the back of the field at C***te with 42 cars visible. 60-70
fps once the field spread out (read : I spun)

There too many variables on that card. :)

> As a sideeffect it also doubled my framerates in almost all games :-)
> (no kidding: QII went from 103 to 204 FPS, Unreal Tournament went from
> 47 to 95 FPS)

> The reason it was set so low was that i previously had a V3 card that
> liked that setting low.

> Lars G.

> >Got tired of waiting for the Radeon that never seems to want to get
> >shipped into this country, so I picked up a ELSA geforce3 ti 200
> >yesterday. Sorry good old V5, out you go.

> >Installed with the latest detonator drivers for WinME (2310) and boy
> >was there a difference. All my games suddenly started to fly, and my
> >3d mark 2001 score went from 2400 to 6500 (7000 after clocking the
> >card to gf3 standards)

> >I could start from the back of the grid at monaco with 1200x1024x32 in
> >monsoon rain in F1 2001 and still smooth.

> >GPL was rock solid on 36 fps even on 1600x1200, but I haven't tried
> >starting at the back of the grid yet. But I have some weird graphics
> >problems with gpl, problems I also had with the V5. When going into
> >the options menu while racing and back again, all text (framerate,
> >chats) gets shadowed out so I can hardly see it.

> >I only got a few issues:

> >Rally Throphy demo get 20 fps and stutters like hell, even on
> >1024x762x16 low detail.

> >I stuggeling to get decent framerates with N4 while keeping the image
> >quality. If flew on 1024x768x16 (100 fps) but it was way too
> >jaggy. But I think I stuck in a dead end when trying the FSAA,
> >framerates were around 30. Come to think about it, I never tried
> >1600x1200. And forget D3D, I had to use OpenGL without stutter
> >mania. I would really appreciate any tips on setting up N4.

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by **Larr** » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 03:50:25

IMHO...

In N4, use OpenGL instead of Direct3D.

Make sure you get nvRefFix so you can set the refresh rates above 60hz.

Use a higher resolution instead of FSAA. IMHO, you get more for your money,
so to speak :)

Make sure you have sync disabled.

Run in 16 bit mode.

You don't mention your processor, so I can't predict frame rates for you.
N4 is VERY processor sensitive when it comes to performance.

I can hit 100fps at times at 1280X1024X16 with a Ti500, WinXP and AthlonXP
1800+

That's my 2 (or 4) cents worth :)

-Larry

by **Olav K. Malm** » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 04:03:55

> IMHO...

> In N4, use OpenGL instead of Direct3D.

I did, D3D was undrivable. 25 fps and stutters.

Hmmm, got the default 75 Hz at 1600x1200. But I'm running WinME for
the moment.

Ah, amp xp 1600+ in a epox 8kha+ 512 MB DDR

See other post for my framerates. I rather do 60 fps at 1600x1200 than
100 fps at a lower resolution, however, on the high resolution I get
75 Hz max which is a bit tiring. At 1280x1024 I get 85 Hz.

> That's my 2 (or 4) cents worth :)

> -Larry

> > Got tired of waiting for the Radeon that never seems to want to get
> > shipped into this country, so I picked up a ELSA geforce3 ti 200
> > yesterday. Sorry good old V5, out you go.

> > Installed with the latest detonator drivers for WinME (2310) and boy
> > was there a difference. All my games suddenly started to fly, and my
> > 3d mark 2001 score went from 2400 to 6500 (7000 after clocking the
> > card to gf3 standards)

> > I could start from the back of the grid at monaco with 1200x1024x32 in
> > monsoon rain in F1 2001 and still smooth.

> > GPL was rock solid on 36 fps even on 1600x1200, but I haven't tried
> > starting at the back of the grid yet. But I have some weird graphics
> > problems with gpl, problems I also had with the V5. When going into
> > the options menu while racing and back again, all text (framerate,
> > chats) gets shadowed out so I can hardly see it.

> > I only got a few issues:

> > Rally Throphy demo get 20 fps and stutters like hell, even on
> > 1024x762x16 low detail.

> > I stuggeling to get decent framerates with N4 while keeping the image
> > quality. If flew on 1024x768x16 (100 fps) but it was way too
> > jaggy. But I think I stuck in a dead end when trying the FSAA,
> > framerates were around 30. Come to think about it, I never tried
> > 1600x1200. And forget D3D, I had to use OpenGL without stutter
> > mania. I would really appreciate any tips on setting up N4.

> > --
> > Olav K. Malmin
> > remove .spam when replying

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by **TRUSRS** » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 04:55:50

What are you doing with that voodoo 5 card?

by **Olav K. Malm** » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 05:07:31

> What are you doing with that voodoo 5 card?

Sell it to either my brother or cousin, who both are intersted in my
old motherboard, cpu and v5. :)

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by **Mario Petrinovi** » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 22:03:28

Ryan, can you tell me some more about mipmapping. I don't know
anything about it. What setting you use, and what is your expeirance. I
have GeForce 2 and am racing N4.

by **Ryan** » Fri, 07 Dec 2001 02:29:55

Actually now that I look at it, that setting only shows up in the Direct3D
panel. I use OpenGL in Nascar 4 and I think it looks fantastic (GF2 MX400).
I do have fast-linear-mipmapping on in the OpenGL panel, but that's about
it. Vsync is off, anistropic filtering is off, and 16 bit textures only.
With that I get anywhere from 35 (road courses) to 80+ fps on an AMD 1.2 GHz
at 1024x768x16. If I get some christmas money, I just might have to get me
a GF3 Ti500. Yeah, that would be nice.

Ryan

by **Mario Petrinovi** » Fri, 07 Dec 2001 03:04:44

Thx anyway.

by **Rafe McAulif** » Fri, 07 Dec 2001 21:24:52

If you ever switch it off, I can assure you it will look terrible,
loads of flashing and GP2 style graphics :(

Rafe Mc

On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 14:03:28 +0100, "Mario Petrinovic"

> Ryan, can you tell me some more about mipmapping. I don't know
>anything about it. What setting you use, and what is your expeirance. I
>have GeForce 2 and am racing N4.

>> Try setting the mipmapping to a higher detail level in the OpenGL tab. I
>> don't think it hurts performance to badly and it should fix your jaggies
>for
>> the most part.

>> Ryan

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