rec.autos.simulators

Gran Turismo 2 is out, in case you don't know and do care.

Featuring
    Pike's Peak
    Laguna Seca
    Mini Coopers
    Historic Corvettes, Lotuses, and musclecars
    Super-easy-to-pass license tests (except for the Corkscrew)
    Even cheaper MA70 Supra's
    More Enduros
    Rally Courses
    30bhp Diahatsu Utility Vehicles
    The World's Fastest Minivan by Renault
    Over half a dozen screenfuls of Rights and Credits

Right now, most stores are probably holding on to copies for customers
who reserved it, and may not even have enough for all of those...

Adrian.

That's good because I never did finish all the tests in GT.
 I just don't have the time and reflexes to earn those licenses, and
couldn't enjoy all of the game.

Alan

track circuits in 1986 with it .

CorScrew crash :o)

:o) yeah, drive the Pike Speak with the mini cooper :o) max speed at 90mph :o)

Well, if it's so easy, what is the interest ?

Yeah, is there a 24h enduro race ?

:o))))

Hey ! Its not a MiniVan !!!! :o)
It's a SpaceVan, like the Chrisler Voyager :o) ( well maybe you call that a
minivan,
and in europe we call that a monopsace :o) ).
It's the Renault Espace F1, a Renault Espace with the Renault V10 F1 motor, in
it.
It'was made when Prost was driving for Renault in F1 , can't remember the date
:o(

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Sebastien Tixier - Game Developer

http://www.eden-studios.fr
http://www.vrally.com
http://www.multimania.com/hclyon
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No pleasing some people.  People disagree on how hard the gold
standards are.  The bronze seem to be hard enough to ensure you've got
some idea of what the test is trying to teach.  There are also "Kiddie
Awards", for coming real close too many times, I think...  Not sure how
they work, though, I don't have any Kiddie Awards left.  But passing
the tests is, by all reports, not the weeks-long exercise in frustration
it used to be for some of the less co-ordinated of us.

Sorry, there's no way a PSX could endure that.

Adrian.

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    ---SimTim---

To be approuved, a game must works 8hours at a time !And often
we let the game on the PSX more than 24hours to be sure.

What i dislike in console market, it's we don't let choice to the players,
no options ! I would think GT could be one of the best sim IF there
was an option for realistic colision, an OPTION.
The colision in GT/GT2 are a joke for sim players.

In PC games, with have the option ( Arcade/Sims ) , or ( Helps/no helps )
for many many driving games !

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Sebastien Tixier - Game Developer

http://www.eden-studios.fr
http://www.vrally.com
http://www.multimania.com/hclyon
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The AI in both Gran Turismos is clearly too weak to work with realistic
damage.  I mean, you could probably hang around in sixth place and
just wait for the AI cars to damage themselves out of contention.

That's why damage is an option for 2 player mode only in GT2.  Yes,
it's a bad simulator in that respect.

With console games, I'm sure part of the theory is to make the game
"exhaustible" so you have to buy something new.  Both GT's actually
don't fit that entirely, but that may not be considered a good thing
by Sony, and some aspects of the games do fit the "throw away when
finished" pattern.

Nevertheless, in GT2, people say there is some sort of "Event
Synthesizer" opened up when you get your "Super License" (which you
don't even know exists until you've got your other five licenses).
People say "Super License", even though it's one lap time trials, is
not as difficult as the IA license was in GT1.  I've not bothered
trying it yet.  There's enough other stuff to do.

Adrian.

A full-size "van" is/was something like a "Ford Econoline".  A minivan
is mini compared to that.  A BMC/Rover Mini with van body would not be
called a minivan in North America.  It would be called roadkill.   8-)

Racing minivans seem particularly humorous in North America because the
typical driver of minivan is stereotyped as a stereotypical surburban
housewife carpooling a load of children to a Little-League game, or
something like that.

Adrian.

Various ElXXX from the late 60's to 70's, the Europa is in a license
test.  And a bunch of modern ones too.  All sports cars.  I don't
think the GT car modelling can do open-wheel cars.

Adrian.

: Racing minivans seem particularly humorous in North America because the
: typical driver of minivan is stereotyped as a stereotypical surburban
: housewife carpooling a load of children to a Little-League game, or
: something like that.

Except Saleen does Windstar conversions with outrageous amounts of
power.  He also beefs up Explorers and Expeditions.  I can only shake my
head in disbelief.  Hey, let's sink 20,000 into this tank and make it a
shiny, slighty less slow tank.  ***y trucks... I don't get it.

Stephen