rec.autos.simulators

Hi all you racing fans!!

        Him an old in sim racing and i'm tired of playing with my old Gravis
gamepad (you know what I mean).  I don't want and kind of replica of the
1996 Ferrari with seat,***pit, wheel and all the stuff (like the
hyper-stimulator).  150$US is the biggest price I can afford.  In Canada
there is no places were I can buy a wheel/pedal.  Maybe the T2
thrustmaster could be OK but why not the T1.  Is there a real difference
between them???  I have GP2, Icr2, Nascar 1 and 2, and also Indianapolis
500 (I'm an nostalgic).  

Please excuse me for my english (I'm from Quebec and speak French)

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The 2 main differences between the T1 and the T2 are:
1.  The T2 has a larger grip on the wheel, about an inch in diameter,
whereas the T1 wheel is like a smaller version of an old chevy truck wheel.
2.  The T2 has actual pedals, rather than little rollers on an arm which
the T1 had.

Also you probably won't find any T1's in stores anymore.  I am pleased with
my T2, though I think I will need some springs soon.

--
Brian Fox
                        The Fox Den:  Nascar and ICR2
                      http://www.racesimcentral.net/
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When I die, I want to go peacefully, like my grandfather in his sleep,
not screaming like the other passengers in his car.

Why not? If you can still find one, or someone selling one, go for it.  I
recently purchased one for a friend right out of this news group.

Well, I have one of each, and I like the T1 better.  Guess I just got used
to it. The pedal (roller) positions on the T1 are adjustable.  All you have
to do is mount the roller from the other side.  Or, you could take it apart
and move the switch to another position that has pre drilled holes.  The
pedals on the T2 come too close together.  At least for me. I have looked
at moving the pedal over, but the unit is different than the T1's.  So,
leving well enough alone here.

The T2 does have the nicer Steering wheel, and it can be attached to your
desk with the clamps and suction cups provided.  The T1 came with some,
IMO, crappy velcro and suction cups.  I ended up drilling some holes in the
unit and mounting it to my desk!  That sucker doesn't move now!

Both units suffer from lack of grip on the pedal base, I end up chasing
mine all over the carpet.  TM provided these little *** feet, but they
don't cut it for me.  Been thinking of putting on some golf spikes!  Also,
the pedal base on the T2 is about 1 inch shorter than on the T1.  With the
T2, I have to keep one foot on the bottom of the unit to prevent it from
tipping over.

You type better English than I read French.  Don't sweat the small stuff.  

cest Le bon temp rolles!

Nope, not too much; mostly on the outside only.

I moved it completely over; it's much more comfortable for a 500 lapper.

Did almost the same; stuck the velcro to a sheet of thick plexiglas,
and screwed it down to the desk at the edges. Can get it out of the
way when I need the desktop.

Screwed it down with one long drywall***through the empty part into the
floor. It doesn't move now. Go for it.  

Also, if you are at all Electrically inclined, rewire the pedals with
a new joystick cord(buy one of those 9.99 joysticks and hack it),
so the pedals are on different axis. It'll be much better. You can
tap the brakes without moving off the throttle at all.

Ditto.

What does that mean??

The floor here is concrete under the carpet.  Think I'll stick with the
spikes.

More info???  You wire the dedals into the second joystick?

  Would you belive ' Let the goodtimes roll' ?

Or at least somewhere in that area.

Buy a cheap joystick and a game port Y-connector(Best Buy has 'em)

Dismantle it, making VERY SURE to label what wire went where on each
pot on the joystick. Ignore the button leads, you can just cut them
off flush and tape them up. Now. Dismatle the pedals. Remove the
original cable from the pots. Connect the joystick wires
in the same order to the two pots in the pedal base using the wires
from the up-down(X) pot on one pedal and the Left Right(Y) pot on
the other(doesn't really matter which set is connected to which,
just the order of wires from the joystick on each pot is important)
Now, Plug the y-connector into the game port and the
wheel into one connector and the pedals into the other. The wheel
is now Joystick 1(or 2, you may need to switch them) and the Pedals
are Joystick 2 with the Gas on one axis and the Brake on the other.
Before they were wired together on the same axis, which, when you
hit the brake, you'd also have to let off the gas to get any real
braking, as with both pedals down the pot drops to the middle,which
the game only recognises as you letting off the gas. If you don't
believe it, run the setup and watch the arrow and how it moves.
Right now they have it rigged so it can be connected right out of the
box to the single game port most sound cards have. However, those
ports have both Joystick 1 and 2 in them, you just need the y-connector.
With this rig-up you can keep the foot to the floor and just tap the
brakes; means a lot less lost momentum.
Cool. Later. -Mark

Like Chuck.   Dealing with it though.

<Techno Stuff cut>

Looks like I have a project on my hands.  Well, If I***up the T2, I
always have my T1!

Thanks

Robert

I'm not sure about golf spikes but why don't you try some hi-fi spikes
as used in speaker stands. Any *good* hi-fi shop should be able to
supply them.

Just noticed you have concrete floors from a later post. It might still
work but I wouldn't bank on it.

Trevor
--
Trevor Farrell
Southwick
Wiltshire

As a T1 & T2 owner I can tell you that the T2 is a little better.  They
are basically the same; however, the T2 has a few more modifications which
make it a little better.  The two biggest differences are that the T2 has
a padded steering wheel and realistic foot pedals.  The T1 has a hard
plastic wheel and rollers as pedals.  The rollers do work well though.  If
you can get the T2 then get it.  If not, you'll be happy with the T1 also.
Tim

I have had the T2 for 8 mo. now and was tying to calibrate it for
Nascar Racing and ICR2 and it was very erratic.  While playing the
game I was all over the track.  

I e-mailed Thrustmaster and told them of the problem and they sent me
replacement part in the mail "no questions asked".  

That was great customer service and reason to recomend The T2 to
everyone.

Alphie

I would be interested in comments or opinions in the difference
between a few seconds of say 10% brakes -vs- 90% accel.

From my experience with multi.exe, there is not a difference.  Perhaps
only Papyrus knows for sure, but if it is that hard to tell, then
there is not much of a difference???
--
Best Wishes!!!
Robert Huggins
Raleigh, NC

If you look at this while Going thru the config and pressing your pedals,
You will notice when properly calibrated, The little arrow will drop to
center. Center means nothing going on. No gas, no brake. Now, push down
the gas. The little arrow zips to the right. let off back to center.
Now, push down the gas and then slowly apply the brake. The arrow JUST
goes back to center. No braking yet. Then let off the gas. Now we're
getting some brakes. Now in driving, I find I can hold a MUCH better line
with the pedals on separate axis, as I don't have to get off the throttle
to get some braking, especially in traffic on superspeedways. Also, In
turns the car handles better if you don't get off the throttle completely.
By keeping a part throttle and tapping the brake, all you are doing is
getting completely out of the throttle. PROBABLY little or no braking yet.
Where a part throttle and a light tap on the brakes sets the car better in
the groove than with the stock pedal setup. Now, I don't race much in
ICR, but they use the same basic engine, so I would guess they operate the
same way. If you (or anyone else) want the detailed description of how to
modify the pedals to do this, just e-mail me and I'll send 'em. Don't
have a web page up yet, but when I do it'll be up there...

Later. -Mark Gums

Talking about Thrustmaster T2 versus T1 ...

How does this perform differently?  I know how it works standard with
gas and brake on the same axis, I'm curious at how well the sim (I
race ICR and ICR2) performs with them on different axis.  Will
breaking overcome full throttle?

From the home of Mark and Cheryl Ferris